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    Quote Originally Posted by Keegah View Post
    Who cares what your IQ is? It's nobler to work and earn, than it is to be freely given something. Everyone knows that. So why should you care what your IQ is?
    Your intelligence was given to you by your parents in a genetic lottery. Your knowledge, however - you had to earn that.
    I can never finish reading this thread. The sheer quantity of insecure idiots trying desperately to validate their feelings of self-worth - mostly by attempting to convince themselves and others that they are smarter than "the masses" - just gets to be too much.
    Yes, but I still wouldn't overestimate the genetic lottery. It can be important, but is yet very limited I think. Nutrition, life-style and toxins might be more important. It's somewhat similar to how muscles grow by sports excercise, and quickly degenerate by lack of excercise or diseases. Those who think they are dumb, will most likely stay dumb, because they avoid intellectual challenges, because they fear failure (perhaps because they once got attested a low IQ during childhood). Obviously the brain is the most flexible organ by far. Several years ago there was a report on TV showing a little girl which got one entire brain hemisphere resected. When she recovered, she went to school and became the best performing pupil of her class. Of course, child's brains are much more adaptive than adult's, but still - it is wrong to believe that information behaves like a liquid which eventually fills up the brain's capacity. Its actually quite the opposite: the more you know, the more efficient becomes the information compression (=comprehension), because differences between old and new information decreases, such that learning new informations becomes easier, rather than harder (anyone heard of the "exponential learning curve"?). There are - as always - exceptions of course.

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    I don't disagree with you. That's the beauty of learning new things. The more you learn, the more you want to keep learning - and the process just gets smoother and smoother. I was mostly criticizing the way many people in this thread seemed to be obsessed with their IQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keegah View Post
    I don't disagree with you.IQ.
    I don' either. I was merely using your post as an excuse to write down some additional thoughts for this thread in general. The term "genetic lottery" inspired me to do so. That's all

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    I'm in the top 2%, however my parents aren't high IQ. My curse is a very high degree of empathy.

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    This thread article is so close to what I am it is intriguing. In 1963 I was given a US Army AFQT score that I scored 99% on. They did not tell me the import of this at the time, I had maxed the test. Only recently thanks to the internet did I find out that Mensa will accept any supervised qualifying test score ever taken meeting their requirements. The AFQT score enabled me to join both Mensa and also Intertel, my score placing me somewhere in the top 1% of the people taking the test - by my reading that is somewhere above about 137 IQ. The reason I am boring you with this, is that somewhere out there there are others not knowing the value of old test scores. If you have any questions, do some research and reading on the internet and find out for yourself. Send me an email if you want.
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    My IQ fluctuates between 130 - 135 points. I have a brother who's 3 years younger and I think he has got the same IQ as I do, he's maybe even smarter

    The point is that I'm not a very social person. I like to be alone and I don't like to have lot of friends. I love to have tranquillity in my head. I can have a lot of friends, but I don't want it and I don't like to go out a lot. I don't care what people think about me and I don't mind to hurt people emotionally. I do identify myself with folks with autism. Sometimes I think that I have autism to.

    But my brother is paradoxical to me. He is very social person, he likes to do things for other folks and often is helping his friends.

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    Here is a short documentary about one little girl living a normal life after undergoing resection of her entire right brain hemisphere. I don't know if that's the same girl I mentioned in the previous post, but it is still impressive.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MKNsI5CWoU



    Her left brain probably already started adapting to the slowly decaying right brain before actual surgery happened, but it still shows how few brain we probably need to function normally. Actually, there are many benign brain tumors that can also drastically reduce brain volume in adult patients, often without any symptoms, even if the tumor occupies a volume of a grapefruit. This is possible if the tumor grows very slowly over 20 years.

    Brain size after all correlates a lot with body size (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encepha...ation_quotient). I believe an important role of a big brain is to ensure neural redundance and resistance against toxins and injuries (e.g. by redundant neurons) rather than only increasing intelligence.

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    Maciamo, how interesting!
    I too wish that I had read this years ago as I have never been good socially, I really cant be doing with smalltalk. Im fine with two or three people but any more than that and I say nothing. The way that I am has often made me wonder if I have psychopathic tendencies as I have (had - older now!) little regard for peoples feelings and would happily point out their errors, feeling they had a right to know. My IQ is not amazingly high, I am a member of Mensa (looks good on the cv!) - but I never associated my coldness with that in any way.
    I have always been happier working on learning things than socialising, I have amazing concentration and go off into another world in my head - which I like. However, as Ive got older ive realised the advantages to having people around me, I am kinder and more thoughtful and cherish my friends and family. I do not end conversations by pointing out the obvious but sit back and enjoy the journey. I know now that most people do not want their problems to be solved or to hear the solutions. It is the conversation and the sharing which is far more important.
    Here I am again - pointing out the obvious!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alibaz View Post
    as Ive got older ive realised the advantages to having people around me, I am kinder and more thoughtful and cherish my friends and family. I do not end conversations by pointing out the obvious but sit back and enjoy the journey. I know now that most people do not want their problems to be solved or to hear the solutions. It is the conversation and the sharing which is far more important.
    Here I am again - pointing out the obvious!!!!!
    But in the right place and the right time. Really smart point of view I must add. I'm straggling big time in this department. Let it be my lesson too.
    Welcome to Eupedia alibaz. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    But in the right place and the right time. Really smart point of view I must add. I'm straggling big time in this department. Let it be my lesson too.
    Welcome to Eupedia alibaz. :)
    Hi Lebrok, thanks for your welcoming words. Im finding this whole discussion rather interesting because from my point of view I'm seeing people like ourselves suddenly realising why they are so weird, and having an explanation for behaviour which has been hard to deal with throughout their whole lives, and also people who are deeply threatened by the whole business of IQs. Of course a high high IQ doesn't make you a better person, it also, I hate to say it, does not make you more employable - and you dont automatically have a right to a better job. I would far rather be really good at business and have an uncanny knack for reading the financial markets than have a high IQ, and the two most certainly do not go hand in hand. High IQ does not equal high common sense or high awareness or perception. As my high IQ neice said some time ago when someone commented to her that old phrase "....is the Pope Catholic....?", she replied "....I don't know, the old one was but there's a new one now...". !!!!
    Something else I try and live by now which helps me in difficult 'tongue-biting' conversations and which I think you will appreciate is this. When it comes to things like Religion, Politics, Education, Art etc. , everyone has an equally valid opinion. No-one is right but no-one is wrong. Im certainly not right but Im certainly not wrong. All these things depend on upbringing, personal experience and the view you have from where you are standing. The only thing to do is take the Chinese approach and embrace other peoples perspectives. Good luck with that - its tricky but the results are quite amazing.

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    IQ is like measuring an athlete purely on how fast he runs the 100 meters/yards race. There are many athletic activities. A fast runner is no match for a slow, hulking weight lifter in a wresting ring nor he can perform rings on the gymnastic rings as well as a gymnast.

    Brain activities are many and solving problems is only one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alibaz View Post
    Of course a high high IQ doesn't make you a better person, it also, I hate to say it, does not make you more employable - and you dont automatically have a right to a better job. I would far rather be really good at business and have an uncanny knack for reading the financial markets than have a high IQ, and the two most certainly do not go hand in hand. High IQ does not equal high common sense or high awareness or perception.
    You're right but only on individual bases. Statistically speaking people with higher IQ are more financially successful or secured than people with lower IQ. Generally speaking it is better to have high IQ than not.

    Most likely there is a limit on very high IQ and ability to live successful life. Very high IQ might be more destructive than positive in finding a spouse and carrying one's genes into next generation (nerd factor), therefore failing the most important purpose of life.

    Good balance of many abilities is the key to any success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    You're right but only on individual bases. Statistically speaking people with higher IQ are more financially successful or secured than people with lower IQ. Generally speaking it is better to have high IQ than not.

    Most likely there is a limit on very high IQ and ability to live successful life. Very high IQ might be more destructive than positive in finding a spouse and carrying one's genes into next generation (nerd factor), therefore failing the most important purpose of life.

    Good balance of many abilities is the key to any success.

    I don't think that is a rule,

    It is like admit that Big painters like Van Gogh had low IQ that is why he died in poverty,
    Do you believe that Nicolas Tesla had lower IQ than Edison, or a modern Banker?

    Come on Le brok, Financial success does not mean biger IQ,
    compare Steve Jobs and Billy Gates,

    it is like we admit that a modern rock player, or a teen dancer-singer has double or triple IQ than music composers of 16-18th century.
    do you believe that Tomy Lee and his girlfriend Pamela Anderson have Bigger IQ cause they manage to earn more money than Beethoven or Mozart?

    simply our world is to slow, and stupidity is so big,
    and the ones who manage to gain from people's stupidity are considered 'smart' but is it?


    the 'American dream' of succes = money, smart=money IQ= money are you sure it is correct?
    it is like telling me that Spielberg and his effects in cinema, is smarter than Emir Kusturica.
    I suggest you 2 movies of him,
    'Arizona dream' instead of 'American dream'
    and 'time of the gypsies' to understand that IQ has nothing to do with money.

    by following that,
    Maybe I have bigger IQ if at the age of 80 divorse my wife and marry a 30 years old 'bunny'?


    If I sell my kidney for 50 000 E
    I will be richer than I am today, is that high IQ indicator?
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    Did you hear about statistics Yetos? Do you know how they work?


    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Come on Le brok, Financial success does not mean biger IQ,
    compare Steve Jobs and Billy Gates,
    It doesn't make sense at all. Compare them to who or what? They are (were) billionths of high IQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Did you hear about statistics Yetos? Do you know how they work?



    It doesn't make sense at all. Compare them to who or what? They are (were) billionths of high IQ.
    I think you are both right !!

    But please dont bring statistics into it. Statistical results are only as good as the sample group and questions asked and the deductions are often highly misleading. It used to be that you were more likely to survive a plane crash if you were a smoker. That was a statistical fact. Mmmmm - wrong question asked.

    I do not and never have believed that my main purpose in life is to reproduce. It is true that I have had little success at relationships but thats a personal failing.

    I do not measure the success or worth of an individual by the amount of money or possessions they have. Everyone in this world has something to teach us, a story to tell. Also, everyone in this world is of equal 'value'.

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    There is the 1 in 1.000.000 person who has a brain disease that lets part of his brain develop more; those people usually die early. And then there is all the idiots out there who think they're geniuses. High IQ does not mean unquestionable natural superiority, it just means someone has worked harder at the type of thinking that the test requires. And ofcourse mainstream media feeds the hero/genius mentality because it makes you fight/work harder believing that you're going to achieve miraculous results because you're so much better than the rest of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Did you hear about statistics Yetos? Do you know how they work?



    It doesn't make sense at all. Compare them to who or what? They are (were) billionths of high IQ.

    Among them,

    Compare Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates,

    their IQ their work and the money they earn,

    there you realise what I am talking about,

    it is like telling me that Sorros has bigger IQ than Shakespeare or Mozart or Van Gogh or modern Genious people that did not happened to earn huge amounts of money cause they did not care for,
    Money Mafia has nothing to do with Personal IQ

    Ann Nicol Smith earned more money, has she bigger IQ than Beethoven?

    come on,


    and about Statistics,
    it depends where they focus and correct they are,
    I have seen statistics about modern city traffic that were doomed from the begining,
    I have seen fabricated statistics, and wrong base statistics,
    Statistics is a tool, to understand current time subject and predict future, and they be many times depending on where they focus,

    I remember a statistic on the cost of road bad conditions and blood that was done in US.
    a road status condition and safety was not under how many people were killed, but what kind of people were killed,
    for example a big bussiness man if killed it was the same if killed 500 farmers or ordinary workers,
    it was the unaccepted statistic I ever heard,
    it was giving grades of better watching and preserve of road not according how many people, how many mercandise cross it, but according how much money each driver could have,

    come on,
    i was watching an employ at a public servise that all she had to do was to make copies and receive Fax, she earns more than me cause she has a 'big boss' as friend or uncle, yet her degree is C due to rest fellings of sympathy
    what that means she is clever than me cause I am unemploed for 2 years?

    Forbes list does claim that contains people with high IQ,
    some of them found them from their fathers or husbands etc,


    Rich does mean smart,
    I read before some moons that a woman manage to break telephon cards 16 numbers code and was caught from police for damaging a few tenths of thousands $ some companies,
    did she had smaller IQ than a lucky who won lottary? or has an uncle in party and gets a big heritage and a good job?


    do you believe that people who got heritage propertie, earn some more, and at 80 years old marry a playboy 'bunny' have bigger IQ than rest of us?
    Is that kind of life an indicator of High IQ?

    Such statistics reminds me the statistics of Janver about criminality and cranium angles in 'Les Misserables'

    I suggest also that,
    except 'Arizona dream' and 'time of Gypsies'

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    Quote Originally Posted by alibaz View Post
    I think you are both right !!

    But please dont bring statistics into it.
    IQ is about pattern and trend recognition and so is statistics. I think it is of big importance in this thread.

    I do not and never have believed that my main purpose in life is to reproduce. It is true that I have had little success at relationships but thats a personal failing.
    It's not a matter of belief. Every living thing on this planet comes from long chain of ancestors. Species who failed to make new offspring are no longer in existence. Can you see the pattern?

    I do not measure the success or worth of an individual by the amount of money or possessions they have. Everyone in this world has something to teach us, a story to tell. Also, everyone in this world is of equal 'value'.
    Noble social virtues, I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamani View Post
    There is the 1 in 1.000.000 person who has a brain disease that lets part of his brain develop more; those people usually die early. And then there is all the idiots out there who think they're geniuses. High IQ does not mean unquestionable natural superiority, it just means someone has worked harder at the type of thinking that the test requires. And ofcourse mainstream media feeds the hero/genius mentality because it makes you fight/work harder believing that you're going to achieve miraculous results because you're so much better than the rest of the people.
    I would always favour normal person who learns and works hard over a lazy genius.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I would always favour normal person who learns and works hard over a lazy genius.
    what about the average joe, that works moderatively and cheats both the above types whenever he can? Not to mention that they multiply like rabbits too. lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I would always favour normal person who learns and works hard over a lazy genius.

    That is why nobody wants a 'genious' in work, cause they are afraid of comparing and they might even lose their head-position,
    that is the same reason man are afraid of smart women, and rarelly marry them.

    that is why most of genious die in poverty or with normal savings,
    cause they want to be accepted by all, and not only to boss as riffians.
    they want to open and grow their minds not their bank savings,

    High IQ sometimes is an isolation gift, to see realize and speak about rest 8-9/10 can not even realize.
    People with high IQ many times reject it to live a normal life,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Among them,

    Compare Steve Jobs vs Bill Gates,

    their IQ their work and the money they earn,

    there you realise what I am talking about,
    Sorry Yetos, this doesn't make sense again.

    Anyway I was talking about statistics and you keep bringing up individual examples. It takes many, in some cases hundreds or thousands, of individual cases to see the pattern very well.

    Some statistics are obvious. After observing length of days and nights during a year for few years in Greece (for example) one can conclude that they fluctuate in length on yearly bases, exactly same pattern repeats itself every year. It is impossible to conclude this pattern after only few month observation.

    On other hand, it took high IQ and years of hard work, but Nicolaus Copernicus was able, using math and statistics, to prove once and for all that Sun is the center and the Earth and planets go around it. Because the complexity of calculation and system in itself it took few hundred of years for rest of people to understand this. Well, to be honest, few will understand and unfortunately for most of us this in sphere of believes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamani View Post
    what about the average joe, that works moderatively and cheats both the above types whenever he can? Not to mention that they multiply like rabbits too. lol.
    Give him contraceptives. The average joe will pick an easy life and won't have kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Sorry Yetos, this doesn't make sense again.

    Anyway I was talking about statistics and you keep bringing up individual examples. It takes many, in some cases hundreds or thousands, of individual cases to see the pattern very well.

    Some statistics are obvious. After observing length of days and nights during a year for few years in Greece (for example) one can conclude that they fluctuate in length on yearly bases, exactly same pattern repeats itself every year. It is impossible to conclude this pattern after only few month observation.

    On other hand, it took high IQ and years of hard work, but Nicolaus Copernicus was able, using math and statistics, to prove once and for all that Sun is the center and the Earth and planets go around it. Because the complexity of calculation and system in itself it took few hundred of years for rest of people to understand this. Well, to be honest, few will understand and unfortunately for most of us this in sphere of believes.

    In Ethiopea, there was a kind of expirement by an organisation named One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) under supervision of Nicolas Negroponte,
    In 2 villages where no teacher exist, none can read or write they drop Laptops,
    One kid in 5 minutes manage to open it,
    in 5 days a kid could handle 47/1000 aplications and in less than 10 days some children learn English Alphabet
    every week they a scientist just replace memory cards to see what kids could do,
    that is High IQ,
    comparing my daughter that has Greek language teachers English language teachers father mother internet books and maybe tomorrow will earn more money and yet she has troubles knowing her laptop.

    about the statistics you mention,
    I remeber that Very high IQ peoples of previous centuries like the names I mentioned before did not follow the statistics you mention,

    about the Earth as sphere, the problem was in navigation maps,
    Eratosthenes with 3 sticks proved that Earth is Curved, no maths, no instruments, (that is high IQ)
    Aristotle gave a diplomatic answer, Earth is flat but I can not understand why I see the flag of ship before I see the ship.
    yet took milleniums and holy inquisition to accept that Earth is Sphere.

    about steve Jobs and bill gates I think you know who had the Big IQ,
    in Fact I believe that little more than average is the IQ that is needed to become rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post

    about the Earth as sphere, the problem was in navigation maps,
    Eratosthenes with 3 sticks proved that Earth is Curved, no maths, no instruments, (that is high IQ)
    Aristotle gave a diplomatic answer, Earth is flat but I can not understand why I see the flag of ship before I see the ship.
    yet took milleniums and holy inquisition to accept that Earth is Sphere.
    .
    Heliocentric system doesn't have much to do, if at all, with earth being a sphere. Earth being round, and Earth not being a center of our solar system, are two different issues.
    Church didn't care for first one and nobody was burned as heretic for saying that earth was round. Some believed it was, some didn't.
    The second issue was important however, because it degraded the importance of earth and humans, as a pinnacle of god's creation, therefore belonging in center of universe. People were burned in fire for denying it. Copernicus published his works after his death, Galileo barely survives, Giordano Bruno didn't.

    Eratosthenes with 3 sticks proved that Earth is Curved, no maths, no instruments, (that is high IQ)
    Wrong, look below, this is just a tip of iceberg of math needed to calculate what he proposed.

    Eratosthenes calculated thecircumference of the Earth without leaving Egypt. Eratosthenes knew that, on the summer solstice, at local noon in the Ancient Egyptian city of Swenet (known in Greek as Syene, and in the modern day as Aswan) on the Tropic of Cancer, the sun would appear at the zenith, directly overhead (he had been told that the shadow of someone looking down a deep well would block the reflection of the Sun at noon). Using a gnomon, he measured the sun's angle of elevation at noon on the solstice in his hometown of Alexandria, and found it to be 1/50th of a circle (7°12') south of the zenith. Assuming that the Earth was spherical (360°), and that Alexandria was due north of Syene, he concluded that themeridian arc distance from Alexandria to Syene must therefore be 1/50 = 7°12'/360°, and was therefore 1/50 of the total circumference of the Earth. His knowledge of the size of Egypt after many generations ofsurveying trips for the Pharaonic bookkeepers gave a distance between the cities of 5,000 stadia (about 500 geographical miles or 927.7 km). This distance was corroborated by inquiring about the time that it takes to travel from Syene to Alexandria by camel. He rounded the result to a final value of 700 stadia per degree, which implies a circumference of 252,000 stadia. The exact size of the stadion he used is frequently argued. The common Attic stadionwas about 185 m,[9] which would imply a circumference of 46,620 km, which is off the actual circumference by 16.3%; too large an error to be considered as 'accurate'. However, if we assume that Eratosthenes used the "Egyptian stadion"[10] of about 157.5 m, his measurement turns out to be 39,690 km, an error of less than 2%.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

    He used math and statistics to prove that earth was a sphere, period. This is exactly how people of high IQ use tools like math and statistics to prove their hypothesis in many scientific fields.
    Yetos, don't sell your countryman Eratosthenes short. He was a great scientists.
    If he could prove that earth was a sphere and the size of it just from using "three sticks" and no math, he would be a magician or a prophet, but not a smart scientist.

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