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    Quote Originally Posted by Minty View Post
    So are CEOs, plus their skills and talents in the field of commerce and some times the Engineering field as well. I doubt all educated people (reporters or not) can pronounce all the languages and dialects out there whether it is their own or not. Even if they are not reporters many educated people still often speak to audiences, hold seminars.
    However if the non highly educated people have learnt that particular foreign language s/he is more likely to get the pronunciations right.
    To be able to pronounce every languages or dialects correctly I think you need to have learnt the languages before or have learnt languages with very similar pronunciations.
    I think you must have high talent in learning languages and high ability to master pronunciations, but this is not something everybody can do.
    The last time I checked the requirements for journalism in terms of pronunciations (in Australia) was just to be able to say things correctly and clearly in the national language/s of the country or area.
    HK reporters (or other highly educated people from HK) pronounce poorly in Mandarin.
    It doesn't matter whether people are educated or not, it depends on their field of expertise, like say if they graduated from the field of mathematics, as a scientist of mathematics (besides the obvious that they need to be good at maths) they only required speak well in their own languages or the language of the university/ies they graduated from. Actually I have seen foreign lecturers of maths who can�ft speak English well but very good at maths.
    Say if a maths professor is to hold a conference about maths, if s/he happens to mention a foreign scientist, very often s/he can't say their names correctly. They just pronounce it the way their language pronounces it.
    A lot of the educated Australians, Americans, English professors and so forth have extreme difficulties just to get their foreign students names or places they come from�cetc pronounce correctly, whether this is in the field of journalism or not.
    I wasn't talking about the Europeans who didn't know that, I was talking about the Cantonese people.
    Especially the ones who live in western countries. I would expect them to know their own ethnic well but I am wrong, very wrong!!! They think the most of the Southern Hans speak Cantonese and the Northern Hans speak Mandarin�cLOL They even think there are more Cantonese speakers than Mandarin. LOOOOL.
    Yes most Europeans or white Americans couldn�ft tell between Chinese to Japanese to Koreans and so on.
    In Oscar of this year they said the film �gThe Departed�h was a re-make from a Japanese film but in fact it was a re-make of the HK film�h Infernal Affairs.�h
    But then again Asians are also very ignorant when it comes to white people. Comments such as white people only eat McDonalds, the only thing white people can cook is roast are just total jokes.
    That's very interesting; maybe my husband has Germanic blood line in him that he didn't know about. He isn't a historian and he never saw his family tree, but you are right it is a common believe that they think their ancestors were Gauls, but in my husband's case most of his Belgium blood are Flemish and others are of Roman descents from Northern Italy. Wait but then Dutch is an ethnic made up of English and Germans I heard, well this is too complicated. DNA test will solve all the confusion.
    I recently found out I could be a mix of northern and Southern Han, according to the origins of my surname...
    ... this explains my grandfather's sunken eyes and high bridge nose which is more of the features of the northerners...life is full of surprises.
    Minty:
    You seem a bit angry. Exactly what are you most angry about?

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    Why can't USA newscasters speak English?

    The problems Maciamo points out with French-speaking newscasters are even more pronounced in the USA. Newscasters here not only cannot pronounce words from French, German, Italian, etc., but not even SPANISH, when we have at LEAST 35 million Castilian speakers in the USA not to mention a huge country nextdoor and a dozen or so others nearby who all speak it.

    The average person still can't figure out to say PÉREZ instead of puh-REZ, or even TIJUANA instead of tee-a-wanna...

    But the newcasters can't either. I also sit before the TV as if I'm still in front of a class, correcting the language mistakes.

    But it's not only the pronunciation... USA newscasters can't follow even the most basic grammatical rules in English.

    They cannot maintain agreement in number between subject and predicate.
    They often substitute the 3rd person singular preterite for the past participle.
    They say, "The thing is, is that..." LOL

    Ok, that's enough, I'm getting all perturbed here...

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    It's truly amazing how bad the U.S. media is with foreign words / names. Is it mainly ignorance? Insouciance? Insular thinking? Lack of exposure to non-American cultural elements? A combination of some or all of these?

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    Sensationalism. Seems like today is more important geting high peaks of audience than keeping people well-informed.

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    American news are the worst concerning name pronunciation. They change the way names really sound to look like American names.

    In Greek we put a line on the vowel of every word that is pronounced "louder" for example the name Steven would be written in Greek: Στέβεν.
    When Americans try to read Greek names they mess that up completely, not to mention that they change the ending of the name to sound American-like. For example: it's not Aristotle, its Aristotelis (Αριστοτέλης) with emphasis on "e" and not on "o" and a different ending.

    Another example I remember vividly is from when I was having my oral examination to get the Certificate of Proficiency in English. I went inside the examination room with another girl called Despina (Δέσποινα in Greek) and the examinators asked us our names. When they were trying to pronounce her name they kept telling Δεσποίνα with emphasis on "i" instead of "e". After 5minutes of trying to say her name correctly they gave up.

    Another example: our President's name is Papandreou and they call him Papandreos. A Greek singer (eurovision winner 2005) called Paparizou is always called Paparitsos by Americans, and the list goes on...

    Trying to Americanize everything becomes annoying after a while and sometimes insulting...
    For this reason there are many Greeks who maintain the ancient traditions by calling "english" as "barbarian-ish"!

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    American news is extremely America centric. 95% is about USA, 80% news is about actors and celebrities, or other weirdos. If one day all world vanishes and only USA survives, local people might not even notice.
    One can only wish that journalists would rise to higher standards, got the names pronounced right, and educate rest of us in this matter.
    The tradition of bad pronunciation comes from English language. The English went to near east on crusades and still couldn't get biblical names right with Jesus starting the list.

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    I would recommend the "Travel" channel... if I had a tv at home.

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    the intentional delusion of the media

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    What i really hate about news today is that Tsunami and Earth Quake is hidden behind Kim Kardashian's butt. News have become so much of a gossip magazine that they should stop calling them a News Channel.

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    Today's TV is a window into general audience character, interest and "sole". This is what average people like to watch.
    It is immediately obvious why there is so much mess in the world.
    On positive note, when you go to foreign country, turn TV on, and you will learn fast about ordinary citizen in this country. In this regard TV can be educational even if they show garbage. Just don't watch too much, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marianne View Post
    They change the way names really Trying to Americanize everything becomes annoying after a while and sometimes insulting...For this reason there are many Greeks who maintain the ancient traditions by calling "english" as "barbarian-ish"!
    I realise this is an old thread but as annoying as it may be all this displays is a lack of knowledge of a spoken language, in this case Greek. I don't think anyone in their right mind would expect everyone to know correct pronunciations in all languages?

    Along the same line I could also comment on how annoying it is when Greeks mispronounce English words and the common mistakes often made. Or the consistent battle I've had with English teachers in Greek schools over the years who have attempted to teach those mispronunciations to my children.

    To a native speaker any mistake is obvious, they happen to everyone but that does not mean people should stop trying.

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    How much they lie, how much they are bias. How they brainwash people to believe another group of people are bad, etc... They have been doing this since they started making news.

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    I think that we have the media that we deserve. In this era, even with all the brainwashing, it would be quite easy to get true informations. But the 90% of people avoid it with care.

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    Something about the news that actually doesn`t annoy me but makes me laugh is when mainland news reporters try to pronounce place names in Northern Ireland..they never get it right. They stress all the syllables and end up saying it completely wrong ie:
    POR..TA..VUU..GUY instead of PORTAVOGIE (Porta-vogee) ! :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    There are many things annoying in life, yet many annoying situations could easily be avoided if people were more careful or educated.

    Recently I have got annoyed by the terrible pronuciation of foreign names in TV news channels, in about any language. Be it on international channels like France24, Euronews, or national French or Belgian TV, I am appalled at the pronuciation of most French-speaking news commentators. Talking about the floods in Britain at the moment, on one channel they will say "Oxfordshire" making -shire rhyme with "tyre", while on another channel they say "sheer". How comes such news channels do not teach their staff a few basic rules of English pronuciation or recruit people who have notions of English. It's not difficult for a French speaker to say it properly; just tell them to read it like if it was spelt "cheur" in French, with a nearly silent "r".

    When talking about Turkey, the same newscasters just won't learn that the name of the Prime Minster, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is pronounced "Rejep Tayip Erdoan" ("c" is "j" in Turkish, and "ğ" is a silent letter). It's 4 years he has been PM, and he makes the news many times a year, but not a single newscaster manage to learn to say his name properly. What qualification do they need to be engaged as newscaster if not being able to pronounce foreign names properly ?

    On French TV, some people will pronounce German names properly because they have learnt German, but many won't. They always get Dutch names completely mistaken (what irrites me most if when they pronounce the "Van" in family names like the French word "vent" when it actually sounds like "vanne"). When saying the name of the Belgian PM, Guy Verhofstadt", it always end up in some completely incomprehensible stuff like "Verschofstrat" or something like that. At least Francophone Belgian TV always get Dutch names right. Euronews also makes an effort. French channels are so pathetic in this regard.

    But English channels often do not do a much better job at pronouncing foreign names. France24 in English has newscaster that can speak French, so they usually get French words perfectly right. But even the multilingual Euronews tends to mistake often.

    Sometimes I feel like I was born in the wrong century and people are just so primitive and old-fashioned. Things are slowly getting better, but I still feel like I am a few decades too early over the world I live in for it to be as comfortable as it is for most other people in developed countries.
    I agree. In Australia, the ABC (Australian Broadcasting Commission) once produced a frequently updated manual for on air employees to read up on correct pronunciation of foreign names and place names. In this aspect the ABC is far and away better than commercial channels, where common foreign names and place names are mutilated on a daily basis, and not only foreign words either. And this is one or the important modern day sources for our children, what hope have we got?

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    Britney Spears! Ugh! She's SO messed up!
    You know, she really grinds my gears! Partying all the time, drinking even while she's pregnant, losing her kids, getting pregnant, disobeying the law, etc., etc., etc.!
    And that's me, Alexis Daffinson (as Peter Griffin) with a SPECIAL What Really Grinds My Gears segment on the Quahog newschannel!
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    It really annoys me to hear or watch the news about raped victim.

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    there is way too many lies on the news on tv or papers. So, I don't even bother watching them.

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