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Maciamo,
You say:
"The new hybrid Germanic people retained the highest percentage of aboriginal haplogroup I."
Could you please elaborate about the ' aboriginals'.
Honestly, you guys are making a way too big of a deal out of Haplogroups. After all, they just give genetic information for 1 out of hundreds/thousands possible ancestors. Although populations might have different haplogroups, they are almost indistinguishable. Or the other way around. For example, the guy who mentioned Albanians and Greeks. Although similar in haplogroups, central Albanians look a lot different than Greeks. They tend to have medium brown hair compared to black hair with greeks. Or take the example of Sardinians. They might have completely different haplogroups, but they're virtually indistinguishable from Italians with regards to phenotypes.
These maps are an extremely superficial way of understanding ancient cultures. Molecular anthropology has its place in history, but looking at history solely through the lens of y-chromosomal frequencies, is at best a pseudo-science. Genetics is an extremely complex field, and by saying this place has this much of this haplogroup, so they might look like this, or come from here is childish.
Its ok to infer in some different cases from these findings, but when you infer on the inference of an other inference, theres something called propagation of error that makes all these theories futile.
While I agree with you on some ponits, genetics are far more accurate way than hair or eye colour distinguishing anything ( this is completly useless science in determing race) or linguistic knowledge ( another silly assumption ) or the bardic fairytales where bards mixed up multitudes of stories ..I mean, don't you find it amusing and silly that just because some people in areas speak slavic , then they are slavic ...its utterly stuipid, , its the same as If i say that the people that speak english regardless of where they live must be english culture.
Just a possible correction to the original post:
The poet Xenophanes (around 400 BC) describes the Thracians as blue-eyed and red haired.So they must
have been very R1b, since red hair is recessive and needs both parents to have the red-gene, in order to show.
This possibly makes them related to the nearby celts and illyrians, who possibly shared
R1b-M269.
i read green eyed and red haired and obtained the red hair by buying females from the levant who had red hair.
the thracians where very much into women for sale
they where R1a in majority especially the northern ones.
Just a possible correction to the original post:
The poet Xenophanes (around 400 BC) describes the Thracians as blue-eyed and red haired.So they must
have been very R1b, since red hair is recessive and needs both parents to have the red-gene, in order to show.
This possibly makes them related to the nearby celts and illyrians, who possibly shared
R1b-M269.
Just a possible correction to the original post:
The poet Xenophanes (around 400 BC) describes the Thracians as blue-eyed and red haired.So they must
have been very R1b, since red hair is recessive and needs both parents to have the red-gene, in order to show.
This possibly makes them related to the nearby celts and illyrians, who possibly shared
R1b-M269.
I would have thought "homogeneous R1b" people (if it ever existed) to be more Brownish (eyes and hairs); Fairness being more pre-indoeuropean. Just a guess based on actual geographical overlap between phenotypes and haplotypes.
The original Europeans most likely didn't develop fairness, since fairness seems to be prominent wherever the Indo-Europeans went.
The mania with Baltic R1a can be healed by discovering R1a pop of India, what fairness,
simply in Europe
Blonde hair seemed to have originated around 11000 BC near the end of the last age, somewhere in europe around Lithuania. The gene spread through sexual selection supposedly, because men prefered blondes. Around 3000 BC it was the predominant color in northern europe. My opinion is that it spread really fast around 3500-3000 BC with the coming of the bronze age and metal weapons which intensify wars and population mixing.
If it happened 11k BC or later, then it is right. If blond hair happened during ice age then it had to be farther south around the ice belt, from France to Caspian sea. I do believe it was adaptation to climatic conditions, though I think that blond hair was a side effect of some genes associated with white skin and light eyes. Blond hair might have helped hunters to blend into terrain in winter, but not sure if it's a pig effect, otherwise all northern populations would have been blond already.Blonde hair seemed to have originated around 11000 BC near the end of the last age, somewhere in europe around Lithuania.
If it happened 11k BC or later, then it is right. If blond hair happened during ice age then it had to be farther south around the ice belt, from France to Caspian sea.
I do believe it was adaptation to climatic conditions, though I think that blond hair was a side effect of some genes associated with white skin and light eyes. Blond hair might have helped hunters to blend into terrain in winter, but not sure if it's a pig effect, otherwise all northern populations would have been blond already.
So maybe Baltic climate is very specific. Sun is rather low most of the year and half days are cloudy and gloomy. They needed all the help they could get to produce vitamin D3. The same conditions might have existed around ice belt from France to Caspian sea during Ice Age. Farther in steppes in Asia climate is and was rather dryer and sunnier all year round. Therefore I don't think it happened in Central Asia. I think the proof of it is Mongol population. They received genes for blondism long time ago, but it didn't spread fast like around Baltic Sea. There are blond Mongols but few and between, and I'm not talking about albino mutation. Looks like the blond advantage is not there.
But north Siberia and north-central Russia was also ice free during LGM.
But true blondes can tan quite well compared to red haired and even some brunettes. I believe north Siberia an central Russia during LGM were less cloudy than regions closer to the ocean, but perhaps snowyer. In this case, bright hair and a moderate ability to tan during summer could represent an adaptation to such regions with much snow and varying sunshine (sunny summers).
I don't know exactly why blond is centered around Baltic Sea, but it is. It also has to be a reason why blond genes didn't spread around the globe in moderate to sub Arctic zone, if it is beneficial trait for these conditions. It tried for sure, because at least 4k years ago it reached China, as per Tarim Bay mummies. Knowing that blond genes are the recessive ones, we understand that they can't survive for too long (competing with black hair) unless they bring a strong survival advantage to the equation. Knowing these facts, it can point us to the clues and understanding why this blond mutation gave our ancestors survival advantage around Baltic sea, in spite of being a recessive trait from it's beginning.
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