Eupedia Forums
Site NavigationEupedia Top > Eupedia Forum & Japan Forum
Page 18 of 19 FirstFirst ... 816171819 LastLast
Results 426 to 450 of 453

Thread: Y-DNA haplogroups of ancient civilizations

  1. #426
    Junior Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    08-11-17
    Posts
    6
    Points
    1,026
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,026, Level: 8
    Level completed: 38%, Points required for next Level: 124
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: USA - Washington



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    The earlier IE people had probably strong mongoloid traits. Much more than they have now. This is my humble opinion.
    What in the world are you basing this speculation on, I wonder?
    Genetic data clearly shows the Yamnaya, for example, relate more closely to modern Scandinavians and northwestern Europeans than any other people.

    I think several people on this board make the mistake that because IE peoples once existed in Asia, India, Turkey, etc, that those that migrated into Europe must also be part modern Asian, modern East-Indian, modern Turk... I couldn't disagree with this more strongly, nor could the data.
    Everything about fair skin/hair/eyes is recessive.. it disappears over time, especially with any admixture.. it doesn't strengthen and become more pronounced.

  2. #427
    Junior Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    08-11-17
    Posts
    6
    Points
    1,026
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,026, Level: 8
    Level completed: 38%, Points required for next Level: 124
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: USA - Washington



    Quote Originally Posted by Maleth View Post
    So would Ghenkis Kan, Hanibal Barca, Miyamoto Misashi, Xiahou Dun fall under R1b too?
    Interestingly, for what its worth, Genghis was mentioned as having reddish hair, and blue/gray eyes, in the two depictions of his appearance. He also belonged to the 'Bourchikoun' clan, which means 'gray eyed'.

  3. #428
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    07-08-18
    Posts
    790
    Points
    10,122
    Level
    30
    Points: 10,122, Level: 30
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 428
    Overall activity: 32.0%


    Country: Germany



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmedlin81 View Post
    I think several people on this board make the mistake that because IE peoples once existed in Asia, India, Turkey, etc, that those that migrated into Europe must also be part modern Asian, modern East-Indian, modern Turk... I couldn't disagree with this more strongly, nor could the data.
    Everything about fair skin/hair/eyes is recessive.. it disappears over time, especially with any admixture.. it doesn't strengthen and become more pronounced.
    You might want to retake highschool biology.

  4. #429
    Junior Member Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    08-11-17
    Posts
    6
    Points
    1,026
    Level
    8
    Points: 1,026, Level: 8
    Level completed: 38%, Points required for next Level: 124
    Overall activity: 0%


    Country: USA - Washington



    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    You might want to retake highschool biology.
    Are you saying recessive genetic traits become more pronounced within a people or nation over time, under usual circumstances?

    I'd be far more inclined to think the prevalence of fair hair and eyes we see in Europe are directly connected to those peoples who were referred to these traits throughout history throughout (Scythians, Dorians, Tocharians, those who swept into India, etc), as opposed to developing by some exceptional genetic mutation in the past couple millennia in the forests of Europe.

    If you can explain to me how nature achieves the recessive skin/hair/eye color traits of, say, a modern Swede, from a genetic background containing significant mongoloid (or darker) skin/hair/eye color influences, I'd love to hear your theory.

  5. #430
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered10000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    07-08-18
    Posts
    790
    Points
    10,122
    Level
    30
    Points: 10,122, Level: 30
    Level completed: 29%, Points required for next Level: 428
    Overall activity: 32.0%


    Country: Germany



    Quote Originally Posted by jmedlin81 View Post
    Are you saying recessive genetic traits become more pronounced within a people or nation over time, under usual circumstances?

    I'd be far more inclined to think the prevalence of fair hair and eyes we see in Europe are directly connected to those peoples who were referred to these traits throughout history throughout (Scythians, Dorians, Tocharians, those who swept into India, etc), as opposed to developing by some exceptional genetic mutation in the past couple millennia in the forests of Europe.

    If you can explain to me how nature achieves the recessive skin/hair/eye color traits of, say, a modern Swede, from a genetic background containing significant mongoloid (or darker) skin/hair/eye color influences, I'd love to hear your theory.
    Riddle me this: how did the blond populations you refer to become blond?

  6. #431
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    14,482
    Points
    232,948
    Level
    100
    Points: 232,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by markod View Post
    Riddle me this: how did the blond populations you refer to become blond?
    Didn't you know? Aliens made them and dropped them out of spaceships.


    Non si fa il proprio dovere perchè qualcuno ci dica grazie, lo si fa per principio, per se stessi, per la propria dignità. Oriana Fallaci

  7. #432
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Tagger Second Class1 year registered1000 Experience Points

    Join Date
    06-12-17
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    16
    Points
    1,245
    Level
    9
    Points: 1,245, Level: 9
    Level completed: 48%, Points required for next Level: 105
    Overall activity: 1.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    P*
    MtDNA haplogroup
    M7C1C3

    Ethnic group
    FILIPINO
    Country: United States



    2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.
    AETA of the Philippines
    Ydna P*, P1, P2, K2
    Mtdna B, B4, M, M7
    Same as Melanesians, some Aetas are born with Blond Hair

  8. #433
    Banned Achievements:
    3 months registered1000 Experience PointsTagger Second Class

    Join Date
    22-07-18
    Posts
    377
    Points
    1,866
    Level
    12
    Points: 1,866, Level: 12
    Level completed: 6%, Points required for next Level: 284
    Overall activity: 42.0%


    Country: Romania



    Anything else discovered?

  9. #434
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Veteran10000 Experience Points
    Carlos's Avatar
    Join Date
    26-09-11
    Posts
    1,446
    Points
    12,755
    Level
    34
    Points: 12,755, Level: 34
    Level completed: 15%, Points required for next Level: 595
    Overall activity: 40.0%


    Ethnic group
    España
    Country: Spain



    4 out of 4 members found this post helpful.
    Attachment 10668
    Source of wishes

    I would like to be blonde, beautiful and desired by all men
    Attached Images Attached Images

  10. #435
    Dr. Eugenics Achievements:
    1 year registered1000 Experience Points
    ToBeOrNotToBe's Avatar
    Join Date
    31-12-16
    Posts
    1,080


    Ethnic group
    Ashkenazi Jewish
    Country: United Kingdom



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmedlin81 View Post
    Interestingly, for what its worth, Genghis was mentioned as having reddish hair, and blue/gray eyes, in the two depictions of his appearance. He also belonged to the 'Bourchikoun' clan, which means 'gray eyed'.
    That's true, he probably did have natural red hair, but he still obviously would have looked Mongoloid.

  11. #436
    Princess Achievements:
    1 year registeredOverdrive10000 Experience Points
    davef's Avatar
    Join Date
    19-06-16
    Location
    New York
    Posts
    2,175
    Points
    10,053
    Level
    30
    Points: 10,053, Level: 30
    Level completed: 18%, Points required for next Level: 497
    Overall activity: 20.0%


    Ethnic group
    Italian, Irish, Jewish
    Country: USA - New York



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmedlin81 View Post
    This is complete nonsense, I'm afraid, at the risk of offending Greek friends...
    we have not only numerous exactingly-formed statues and artistic depictions showing a different type, but countless mentions of blond hair and blue eyes, especially among the Spartan element.
    Populations don't remain static over millennia.. capable human capital tends to migrate where the wealth and power and influence lies, slowly but surely, which leads to a brain-drain effect. Immigration into a region has an even more profound effect (think of what Europe might look like in 20 years, relative to what it looked like 20 years ago).
    Greece today is far more Turkic and misc than it was in the time of the Hellenes, just as northwest India looks completely different than it would have between 1500bc-500ad... the ruling caste is always subsumed and integrated over time, especially when the strict caste system is abandoned. They're definitely descendants, broadly speaking, but to assume they're the same people in a genetic or cultural sense doesn't seem to square with the information available.
    Wroooong!!!!! W-R-O-N-G WRONG WRONG WRONG!
    stormfront is thataway buddy---->
    mmmmmmmmmm doughnuuuuutz

  12. #437
    Regular Member Achievements:
    Three Friends1 year registered10000 Experience Points
    Salento's Avatar
    Join Date
    30-05-17
    Posts
    2,232
    Points
    15,486
    Level
    37
    Points: 15,486, Level: 37
    Level completed: 80%, Points required for next Level: 164
    Overall activity: 33.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    T1a2 -Z19945
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H12a

    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: United States



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Wroooong!!!!! W-R-O-N-G WRONG WRONG WRONG!
    stormfront is thataway buddy---->


    https://www.Eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post565448

  13. #438
    Junior Member Achievements:
    3 months registered250 Experience Points

    Join Date
    28-09-18
    Posts
    3
    Points
    313
    Level
    3
    Points: 313, Level: 3
    Level completed: 63%, Points required for next Level: 37
    Overall activity: 2.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    This is not an opinion of the Bulgarians, but of 99% of the ethnologists in the world in the 20th century

  14. #439
    Junior Member Achievements:
    3 months registered250 Experience Points

    Join Date
    28-09-18
    Posts
    3
    Points
    313
    Level
    3
    Points: 313, Level: 3
    Level completed: 63%, Points required for next Level: 37
    Overall activity: 2.0%


    Country: Bulgaria



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    This is your opinion, and not of the people that live out there. Bulgarians were constantly trying to repress the use of Serbian language and Serbian names in those areas. Bulgarians are also infamous to ethnic related crimes during WWII and WWII ...
    This is not an opinion of the Bulgarians, but of 99% of the ethnologists in the world in the 20th century. And you Serbs are far more infamous to ethnic crimes in the latest story. It is hypocritical to raise the topic.

  15. #440
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points

    Join Date
    26-09-18
    Posts
    72
    Points
    908
    Level
    7
    Points: 908, Level: 7
    Level completed: 79%, Points required for next Level: 42
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by jmedlin81 View Post
    This is complete nonsense, I'm afraid, at the risk of offending Greek friends...
    we have not only numerous exactingly-formed statues and artistic depictions showing a different type, but countless mentions of blond hair and blue eyes, especially among the Spartan element.
    Populations don't remain static over millennia.. capable human capital tends to migrate where the wealth and power and influence lies, slowly but surely, which leads to a brain-drain effect. Immigration into a region has an even more profound effect (think of what Europe might look like in 20 years, relative to what it looked like 20 years ago).
    Greece today is far more Turkic and misc than it was in the time of the Hellenes, just as northwest India looks completely different than it would have between 1500bc-500ad... the ruling caste is always subsumed and integrated over time, especially when the strict caste system is abandoned. They're definitely descendants, broadly speaking, but to assume they're the same people in a genetic or cultural sense doesn't seem to square with the information available.
    Greece today is not more Turkic. It is more Balkanic due to the balkan migrations during the middle-ages. Most mainland Greeks have balkanic admixture while many Anatolian Greeks descend from ancient indigenous populations of Anatolia. But to a significant extent Greeks descend from ancient Greeks. I can show you my gedmatch results which are representative for southern mainland Greeks.
    Proto-Greeks were a steppe tribe so I suppose they were blonde with blue eyes. When they arrived in Greece during Bronze Age they mixed with the local neolithic mediterranean populations and they created the ancient Greek people. Haplogroups of the majority of the modern Greeks are from those neolithic populations. There were not only blonde ancient Greeks many of them had brown hair and eyes like Greek people today.

  16. #441
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points

    Join Date
    26-09-18
    Posts
    72
    Points
    908
    Level
    7
    Points: 908, Level: 7
    Level completed: 79%, Points required for next Level: 42
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Greece



    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    Could you tell me in which subclades of R1a did the ancient Thracians belong?

  17. #442
    Advisor Achievements:
    VeteranThree Friends50000 Experience PointsRecommendation Second Class
    Awards:
    Posting Award
    Angela's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-01-11
    Posts
    14,482
    Points
    232,948
    Level
    100
    Points: 232,948, Level: 100
    Level completed: 0%, Points required for next Level: 0
    Overall activity: 99.6%


    Ethnic group
    Italian
    Country: USA - New York



    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    Greece today is not more Turkic. It is more Balkanic due to the balkan migrations during the middle-ages. Most mainland Greeks have balkanic admixture while many Anatolian Greeks descend from ancient indigenous populations of Anatolia. But to a significant extent Greeks descend from ancient Greeks. I can show you my gedmatch results which are representative for southern mainland Greeks.
    Proto-Greeks were a steppe tribe so I suppose they were blonde with blue eyes. When they arrived in Greece during Bronze Age they mixed with the local neolithic mediterranean populations and they created the ancient Greek people. Haplogroups of the majority of the modern Greeks are from those neolithic populations. There were not only blonde ancient Greeks many of them had brown hair and eyes like Greek people today.
    Steppe tribes, if by that you mean the people like Yamnaya and Catacomb culture, they were not blonde and blue-eyed. The only steppe tribes who had some lighter people were groups like Andronovo which come from a period 1000 years later and way to the east.

    I'm surprised a Greek hasn't read the Lazaridis paper from the Reich lab: Myceneaens were dark haired and dark eyed.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5565772/

  18. #443
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points

    Join Date
    26-09-18
    Posts
    72
    Points
    908
    Level
    7
    Points: 908, Level: 7
    Level completed: 79%, Points required for next Level: 42
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Greece



    What I know is that the myceneaens descended from the steppes but until they arrive to Greece they mixed with other populations so they had steppe admixture but less than their ancestors in Yamnaya. Furthermore I think that the myceneaens in Greece mixed quickly with the local neolithic population and everyone is considered myceneaen so we are talking about a population with low steppe admixture. But yes their ancestors in Steppes were relatives to Indo-Iranians so they were blond. What I am looking for is about their haplogroups. They were R1b, J2a R1a-Z93?

  19. #444
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,116
    Points
    38,322
    Level
    60
    Points: 38,322, Level: 60
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 728
    Overall activity: 97.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    Greece today is not more Turkic. It is more Balkanic due to the balkan migrations during the middle-ages. Most mainland Greeks have balkanic admixture while many Anatolian Greeks descend from ancient indigenous populations of Anatolia. But to a significant extent Greeks descend from ancient Greeks. I can show you my gedmatch results which are representative for southern mainland Greeks.
    Proto-Greeks were a steppe tribe so I suppose they were blonde with blue eyes. When they arrived in Greece during Bronze Age they mixed with the local neolithic mediterranean populations and they created the ancient Greek people. Haplogroups of the majority of the modern Greeks are from those neolithic populations. There were not only blonde ancient Greeks many of them had brown hair and eyes like Greek people today.

    All scientistic pappers say the oposite,

    wonder which papper is your source,

    Blonde and blue eyes was never a characteristic of Hellenic nation,
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

  20. #445
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,116
    Points
    38,322
    Level
    60
    Points: 38,322, Level: 60
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 728
    Overall activity: 97.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    What I know is that the myceneaens descended from the steppes but until they arrive to Greece they mixed with other populations so they had steppe admixture but less than their ancestors in Yamnaya. Furthermore I think that the myceneaens in Greece mixed quickly with the local neolithic population and everyone is considered myceneaen so we are talking about a population with low steppe admixture. But yes their ancestors in Steppes were relatives to Indo-Iranians so they were blond. What I am looking for is about their haplogroups. They were R1b, J2a R1a-Z93?

    Myceneans have nothing to do with Steppes,
    the last papper of Lazarides is clear,

    and NO

    it is diefferent think the Indo-Iranian,
    and different the Greaco-Aryan,

    R1b might not existed in Myceneans,
    as for R1a found in the lands of proto-Greek area
    still is under discuss its origin,


    in fact Myceneans might be origined from South Caucas area-Armenia, and never mixed with steppe,
    since have the lowest steppe admixture of steppe admixture.

  21. #446
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points

    Join Date
    26-09-18
    Posts
    72
    Points
    908
    Level
    7
    Points: 908, Level: 7
    Level completed: 79%, Points required for next Level: 42
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Myceneans have nothing to do with Steppes,
    the last papper of Lazarides is clear,

    and NO

    it is diefferent think the Indo-Iranian,
    and different the Greaco-Aryan,

    R1b might not existed in Myceneans,
    as for R1a found in the lands of proto-Greek area
    still is under discuss its origin,


    in fact Myceneans might be origined from South Caucas area-Armenia, and never mixed with steppe,
    since have the lowest steppe admixture of steppe admixture.
    Myceneaens had some steppe admixture. Probably before they arrive in Greece they mixed with other populations and this is why they had J2a lineages. This is what we can find in eupedia:
    The Mycenaean culture commenced circa 1650 BCE and is clearly an imported steppe culture. The close relationship between Mycenaean and Proto-Indo-Iranian languages suggest that they split fairly late, some time between 2500 and 2000 BCE. Archeologically, Mycenaean chariots, spearheads, daggers and other bronze objects show striking similarities with the Seima-Turbino culture (c. 1900-1600 BCE) of the northern Russian forest-steppes, known for the great mobility of its nomadic warriors (Seima-Turbino sites were found as far away as Mongolia). It is therefore likely that the Mycenaean descended from Russia to Greece between 1900 and 1650 BCE, where they intermingled with the locals to create a new unique Greek culture.

    And this is what the paper of Lazaridis mention:
    could model Mycenaeans as a mixture of the Anatolian Neolithic and Chalcolithic-to-Bronze Age populations from Armenia (Table 1). Populations from Armenia possessed some ancestry related to eastern European hunter-gatherers4, so they, or similar unsampled populations of western Asia, could have contributed it to populations of the Aegean. This model makes geographical sense, since a population movement from the vicinity of Armenia could have admixed with Anatolian Neolithic-related farmers on either side of the Aegean. However, Mycenaeans can also be modelled as a mixture of Minoans and Bronze Age steppe populations (Table 1; Supplementary Information, section 2), suggesting that, alternatively, ‘eastern’ ancestry arrived in both Crete and mainland Greece, followed by ~13–18% admixture with a ‘northern’ steppe population in mainland Greece only. Such a scenario is also plausible

    So he pinpoints ancestry from north-east europe and he examines the possible alternatives but he does not reject the steppes scenario.


    My haplogroup is R-F2935 which is a subclade of R1a-Z93. There is mostly in Europe. I have been told that this subclade is Scythian/Sarmatian or Proto-Greek or even Thracian because it is believed that Proto-Greeks and Thracians had some steppe lineages.

  22. #447
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,116
    Points
    38,322
    Level
    60
    Points: 38,322, Level: 60
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 728
    Overall activity: 97.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    @xri34

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...and-Mycenaeans

    maybe you already have read it,
    but it is a good point to philosophed the genettics of Myceneans

    and until now no Rib found in early Greece.
    as also the most ancient population of Greek space are the sarakatsanoi. (I1)
    while Kleitos sample is G2

  23. #448
    Regular Member Achievements:
    3 months registered500 Experience Points

    Join Date
    26-09-18
    Posts
    72
    Points
    908
    Level
    7
    Points: 908, Level: 7
    Level completed: 79%, Points required for next Level: 42
    Overall activity: 1.0%


    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    @xri34

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...and-Mycenaeans

    maybe you already have read it,
    but it is a good point to philosophed the genettics of Myceneans

    and until now no Rib found in early Greece.
    as also the most ancient population of Greek space are the sarakatsanoi. (I1)
    while Kleitos sample is G2
    The link does not argue something different than what I am saying. I1 is palaiolithic and G2a neolithic in Greece so it makes sense. How did R1b arrive in Greece according to you?

  24. #449
    ReichsRitter Achievements:
    1000 Experience PointsVeteran
    Sonnenburg's Avatar
    Join Date
    20-08-13
    Posts
    30
    Points
    4,549
    Level
    19
    Points: 4,549, Level: 19
    Level completed: 75%, Points required for next Level: 101
    Overall activity: 11.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    I1 Z140 *Y6910
    MtDNA haplogroup
    H1b1 Germanic-Baltic

    Ethnic group
    Baltic/German
    Country: United States



    0 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    True. Native Europeans should be studied with more vigor and determination...

  25. #450
    Regular Member Achievements:
    OverdriveVeteranThree Friends25000 Experience Points
    Yetos's Avatar
    Join Date
    02-10-11
    Location
    Makedonia
    Posts
    5,116
    Points
    38,322
    Level
    60
    Points: 38,322, Level: 60
    Level completed: 40%, Points required for next Level: 728
    Overall activity: 97.0%

    Y-DNA haplogroup
    G2a3a
    MtDNA haplogroup
    X2b

    Ethnic group
    Makedonian original
    Country: Greece



    Quote Originally Posted by xri34 View Post
    The link does not argue something different than what I am saying. I1 is palaiolithic and G2a neolithic in Greece so it makes sense. How did R1b arrive in Greece according to you?
    It depends on which R1b

    The Anatolian one
    or the West European ones?

Page 18 of 19 FirstFirst ... 816171819 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Predicted haplogroups of early Middle Eastern civilizations
    By Maciamo in forum Y-DNA Haplogroups
    Replies: 53
    Last Post: 13-07-15, 19:21
  2. Haplogroups and Civilizations
    By motatalea in forum Y-DNA Haplogroups
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 15-04-13, 19:19
  3. Matching Ancient languages with Ancient tribes
    By zanipolo in forum Linguistics
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 24-07-11, 01:19
  4. Replies: 8
    Last Post: 28-04-11, 18:41
  5. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 25-07-10, 19:00

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •