What Europeans think of each other

[Grizzly]

I already posted it in the previous page. They are flying to California. You're in denial like a 4 years old kid.

No, this "source" does not talk about millions of French. It just put in relief some upper-classes who start business. I still wait for your academic source...

Yes, a recent economical immigration. Thus, in your own retarded logic, Italy should be considered a 3rd world country.

If they migrate for jobs (even I dubt that after the 60's, they were so numerous), it's an economical migration. But I wait for your source too. You like to put assertions with very few sources (oh, yes, CNN and Foxnews...).

 

[Wilhelm]

BTW, Iceland is not part of CEE either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Community#Members

Lol you are certainly not very intelligent. We where talking about how Spain supposedly was a third-world country before the 70's (which was not part of the EU than), that's when I mentioned that Irelaand or Iceland, which are european counries, were also very poor before the 70's. I never said that Iceland was part of the EU, that is your own interpretation, don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Grizzly]

you are certainly not very intelligent.

he's certainly not very intelligent.

Hum...

We where talking about how Spain supposedly was a third-world country before the 70's (which was not part of the EU than), that's when I mentioned that Irelaand or Iceland, which are european counries, were also very poor before the 70's. I never said that Iceland was part of the EU, that is your own interpretation, don't put words in my mouth.

I was saying that before integration of Spain in Europe (in the 80's), its living standards could be considered almost as third-world ones. So, if your answer is "same thing for Ireland and Iceland", it means that you put them in the whole of my assertion.

BTW, your last one is wrong again : Iceland was ranked 6 in 1965...

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/eco_gdp_percap-economy-gdp-per-capita&date=1965

 

[Wilhelm]

Hum...
I was saying that before integration of Spain in Europe (in the 80's), its living standards could be considered almost as third-world ones. So, if your answer is "same thing for Ireland and Iceland", it means that you put them in the whole of my assertion.

BTW, your last one is again wrong : Iceland was ranked 6 in 1965...

The standard of living of Spain in the 60's/70's/80's was far from being third-world. It was first-world actually. We are still waiting for your evidence.

 

[Carlitos]

The Spanish emigration to France in any case have been massive, is a weak argument to try to prove that Spain was a third world country, very controversial term especially if it relates only to the degree of industrialization of a country perhaps Spain was less industrialized than neighboring countries, but in any case, Spain has been a third world country.

 

[Grizzly]

The standard of living of Spain in the 60's/70's/80's was far from being third-world. It was first-world actually. We are still waiting for your evidence.

A country living in a dictature and where people where flee misery and political repression does not really belong to the "first world".

 

[Carlitos]

I wonder why Europe agreed a 40-year dictatorship in a neighboring country?, I believe that some neighboring countries of Spain were concerned that Spain will sleep the deep sleep of oblivion and isolation.

 

[Grizzly]

The Spanish emigration to France in any case have been massive, is a weak argument to try to prove that Spain was a third world country, very controversial term especially if it relates only to the degree of industrialization of a country perhaps Spain was less industrialized than neighboring countries, but in any case, Spain has been a third world country.

Not the immigration in itself, but the fact that is was essentially an economical immigration. Focusing on the expression "third world", or other litterature debates do not change the facts.

 

[Carlitos]

Not the immigration in itself, but the fact that is was essentially an economical immigration. Focusing on the expression "third world", or other litterature debates do not change the facts.

It was mostly politics and political disaster leads to economic disaster, but in no case was a mass migration and perhaps the French view or have it sent to you are of a Spain in the third world, based on a few migrants, less industrialization of Spain in relation to their country, but Spain is not just living from fishing and agriculture, of course we were industrialized in the 18th century, 19 blast furnaces, sugar factories, textile, food, etc. what in the 80 were less industrialized than France does not mean that we were a third world country, there were many things to fix, but daring to describe Spain as a third world country is just a symptom of fear of a potential competitor We're old neighbors and the history is there, only the French can fool an American talking about these things in Spain, no one else in Europe are going to cheat by saying that Spain was a third world country is not believed that lie and you the French.

 

[julia90]

FRENCH: they are considered and nicknamed by media and local population as: "Cugini d'Oltralpe" or "Transalpini" = Transalpine's Cousins.
There is a high rivality on soccer between us and them, and we are higly motivated to defeat them on soccer matches.
The people are considered stylish, elegant, sofisticated, as their language is.
We consider Corsicans to be akin to us, as Provencals too.
We think some of them are arrogant, and we know there is discrimination of italians in France, but i comprehend this because the italians they know (immigration) are mainly southern italians, that have sometimes unacceptable behaviours.
The cusine "Nouvelle cusine", is different than our, it's more stylish-elaborated, our cousine is more abundant on portions, it different, but i think french cusine is one of the best in the world.
GERMANY
Meticolous, crazy, stiff, productive, high standatd of life, powerful economy, a great place to work, they know how to organize things; loyal people.
There is discrimination of italians in Germany mainly for the same reasons as in France.
Germans love our beaches, our climate, and love to spend summer vacation here (more so in the past thought...)
Great beers, sausages. Great Cars.
SPAIN
They are more openly cheerful than us, but their cherfulness is showed off, flaunted and feigned, maybe that's why many italians love spanish people.
Sometimes they are arrogant, but anyway i think it's funny to be with them expecially with those who are cheerful.
There is competition with italians, mainly on their part, but this is growing also among italians, they secretely want to be superior to us; we don't care about it, because we are usually sincere and we show of our true thinkings.
A great place to party.
The cusine is mediterranean also, but a bit fat, and less differenciated and variated than italian cusine.
they love to take things slow, the work slows, instead we rush more.
We like the language.
The climate and the places are beautiful.
The people are considered (maybe sometimes erroneanly?) similar to us for the character and fisical looks.

SCANDINAVIA
The girls are blonde, hot and angelic and the wet dreams of many brunet wog italian men, who think there the sex is more frequent among non-partners.
The state is very socialistic inspired.
People love to tan; great viking cars (Volvo).
A bit cold with frequent snow, saunas.

ALBANIA/ROMANIA
Lands of immigrants in italy, crooks people (especially the men, obviously), Romanian women are famous to work as old people nannies, both roamnian and albanian men are famous as carpenters.
Albanians firstly arrived by rubber dinghies in apulia in 1991 with the foall of Hoxa communism (Hoxa was famous in his radio Tirana, that you could listen also from italy, to tell that italian economy was a disaster and that albanian model of economy was productive, he also built walls, fortresses and stronghold because he told his people italian would invade albania).
Obvoiusly not all rumenians or albanians are criminals, and i have myself some romanian and albanian good (behaviour) acquaintances (to give you an idea those who are criminals are a bit like neapolitans camorra criminals). Albanians men are also known to be cocky men with local girls (i remember many cia' bela.. when sometimes i walked alone along the streets or with a group of female friends; like north african men use to do too). Obviously there are as many correct albanian and romenian people, good also at school, serious workers etc.
Generally romanians and albanians know to speak a good italian when they arrive in italy. Expecially albanians because in albania they are used to watch italian television and programmes



NB: I WILL CONTINUE AND UPDATE THIS POST ON THE FOLLOWING DAYS, WITH MORE OTHER COUNTRIES , AND MORE DETAILLED OPINIONS.

 

[^ lynx ^]

The cusine is mediterranean also, but a bit fat, and less differenciated and variated than italian cusine.

This couldn't be more far from reality. Italian cuisine is purely mediterranean, spanish cuisine is Atlanto-mediterranean and much more variated than the italian one. In fact, Spain is culturally much more complex than Italy.

There is competition with italians, mainly on their part, but this is growing also among italians, they secretely want to be superior to us; we don't care about it, because we are usually sincere and we show of our true thinkings.

If you're talking about football, then that's fairly correct but if you're talking in a general sense... Spaniards only want to be superior to other spaniards: Catalonia vs Madrid, Valencia vs Madrid vs Catalonia, etc. etc. That's the way we are (sadly). We don't really give a **** about the rest.

I don't know why we would want to be superior to Italy in the first place when we don't really see you as "something to surpass". Yes, you're still being a bigger economy than us (Italy is more populated than Spain), but our view on Italy is mainly about: Ridiculous populism (guys like Berlusconi doesn't really give you a good name), chaotic corruption at the highest burocratic level (again Berlusconi and friends), and a profoundly sexist and ultra-catholic state (we are far a more atheist, and thus democratic, state than you and spanish female are far more integrated in the economic and political life).

We don't really see Italy as a role-model, and certainly we don't feel like that we have to surpass you, on the contrary, we see Italy as something we have to avoid to become.

Anyways, it was a funny read overall... I had no idea that italians had so many misconceptions about us and I know a lot of italians working here.

Greetings and good night (in your case 2:21).

Edit- By the way in Spain, we use to say that argentinians are "italians who speak spanish", this perfectly sums up our view on both nationalities and countries.

 

[Carlitos]

Greetings to Italy, a country without prejudice and although France is farther away, we better understood.

I see that almost everyone believes that we take life slowly and little work, but it is quite topical, it works well and fast in Spain, the problem is on the schedule, are absolutely horrific, from there ask for help from the Union Mrs Merkel European to compel Spain to change working hours, trade, those times are extremely unbearable, but in Spain nobody wants to address the issue.

 

[Regulus]

- By the way in Spain, we use to say that argentinians are "italians who speak spanish", this perfectly sums up our view on both nationalities and countries.

The Italian influence on the Spanish spoken in Argentina and Uruguay, particularly in the Rio Plata region is almost overwhelming even to a person like me who, until I began working, was almost purely school-taught in the US.

With my work, I often run into people who speak Spanish or have a hard time speaking English. There are only a few of us readily available to help. Since High School, I have gotten pretty good at figuring out what region a Spanish speaker is from, and can usually adjust my spoken Spanish to reflect the slightly different pronunciations or styles. Those from that area of Argentina and Uruguay actually even sound like they are speaking Italian. The intonation, especially in the way the last words(s) in a statement are almost sung, is enough to cause one to assume that they may be recent immigrants from Italy to Latin America.


Also, here is the US one will meet Argentines who moved here with names Like Jose Graziano, etc. LOL.

 

[Carlitos]

For Spanish Argentines are not considered "Italians who speak Spanish, " as appears to the Spanish Argentina as a country with its own identity, though we know they have different origins, they are not associated with a unique Italian origin and idiosyncrasies rather Argentine .

 

[Regulus]

Please don't take this as an insult as your written English is clearly better than my written Spanish, but I wasn't certain about what you were communicating in your last post.

 

[Wilhelm]

Ridiculous populism (guys like Berlusconi doesn't really give you a good name), chaotic corruption at the highest burocratic level (again Berlusconi and friends), and a profoundly sexist and ultra-catholic state

And obviously Mafia.
greetings.

 

[Carlitos]

Please don't take this as an insult as your written English is clearly better than my written Spanish, but I wasn't certain about what you were communicating in your last post.

My English writing is google translator.

 

[Regulus]

My English writing is google translator.

Ok, let me see if I can do this.....

Carltos, esta diciendo Ud. que los Espanolos no crean (o piensan) que Los Argentinos son como Italianos quien hablan Espanol?


I hope that my attempt was not futile.

 

[Carlitos]

Ok, let me see if I can do this.....

Carltos, esta diciendo Ud. que los Espanolos no crean (o piensan) que Los Argentinos son como Italianos quien hablan Espanol?


I hope that my attempt was not futile.

Exacto, es lo que digo. Muchísimos españoles emigraron a Argentina, entre 1900 y 1930 emigraron algo más de tres millones de españoles(3.253.448) según las cifras oficiales, aunque las investigaciones recientes calculan que alcanzarían casi los cuatro millones y medio (4.360.387).

Además del pasado histórico de España en América, España mantiene un acuerdo con Argentina:

LA FIRMA DEL ACUERDO AUNOS EN 1942 ENTRE ARGENTINA Y ESPAÑA DIO PRINCIPIO A UNA ESTRECHA COLABORACION COMERCIAL.

De modo que lo último que piensa un español sobre Argentina es que son italianos que hablan español, sabemos que hubo una fuerte emigración italiana, pero también española, norte de Europa, e.t.c. y vemos a los argentinos como argentinos, con diferentes orígenes, pero no como italianos que hablan español, me parece absurdo y no sé de dónde habrá salido esa percepción, que no es el sentimiento que de los argentinos se tiene en España.

 

[Regulus]

Ok, le entiendo. Yo creo que La Rio Plata es la region sola que tenia bastante immigracion desde Italia para haciendo mucho influencia en la lengua.
Por ejemplo, "Sho quiero un cigarisho" o la palabra "bambino" para un bebe.

La mayoria de los Argentinos probalamente no hablan Espanol en el mismo tipo.
Escribiendo Espanol con una computador es muy dificil para mi. No peudo pensar en Espanol y encontrar las letras en el mismo vez. Mientras yo escribia este carta, tuve un accidente y escribi dos palabras en Ingles. Yo casi mando la carta con los errores.
Gracias para su paciencia.