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    Quote Originally Posted by Grubbe View Post
    What were they, then? Sources, please?
    It's not possible to have a source for something that is completely fabricated.

    The only way we could possibly know the Y-haplogroups of ancient populations is to find ancient bones, find proof that they represent a certain population, then sequence their genome. This will eventually happen, and until it does you can assume the majority of people claiming knowledge of ancient population genetics are, above all, propagandists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james stock View Post
    It's not possible to have a source for something that is completely fabricated.

    The only way we could possibly know the Y-haplogroups of ancient populations is to find ancient bones, find proof that they represent a certain population, then sequence their genome. This will eventually happen, and until it does you can assume the majority of people claiming knowledge of ancient population genetics are, above all, propagandists.
    OK, so the Ostrogoths are still Ostrogoths, then, haplogroups aside. I wondered if there was something I had missed.

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    I was wondering, if it is true that R1B-S26 is a sub-sept of Z305 (George V's haplogroup sept) like it says in your R1B Family tree how did z305 go from German to Celtiberian and Anglo-Saxon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by james stock View Post
    ...The only way we could possibly know the Y-haplogroups of ancient populations is to find ancient bones, find proof that they represent a certain population, then sequence their genome. This will eventually happen, and until it does you can assume the majority of people claiming knowledge of ancient population genetics are, above all, propagandists.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. I agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james stock View Post
    It's not possible to have a source for something that is completely fabricated.

    The only way we could possibly know the Y-haplogroups of ancient populations is to find ancient bones, find proof that they represent a certain population, then sequence their genome. This will eventually happen, and until it does you can assume the majority of people claiming knowledge of ancient population genetics are, above all, propagandists.
    I agree too.

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    I found the article about the origin of Prince Williams of England

    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    According to the Stuart/Stewart Project at FTDNA, King Charles II of Great Britain would have been R1b-L21. This is concordant with the history of the House of Stuart, who traces its roots to Brittany (a region with a high frequency of R-L21) before settling in Scotland during the Norman period.
    Here is the internet article:

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    There is a good (as explained here) that the Habsburgs belong to haplogroup R1b-U152 (L2+ branch).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    Very curious the Z1a MtDNA. ¿How common it really is between Swedish people and other Scandinavians?
    Z is a mongoloid haplogroup. I wonder if Adelaide of Mochental was of Saami descent.

    I also wonder if Anne of Cleves, fourth wife of Henry VIII of England, was of mongoloid descent too, because she and her sister, Sybylle, had mongoloid looking features. Their earliest recorded maternal ancestor came either from Bulgaria or Russia.
    Last edited by foryouandme; 04-08-13 at 17:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    All kings of France supposedly belonged to haplogroup G2a3 (Y-DNA).
    Also the Bourbon kings of Spain had and have G2a3 (Y-DNA). Philip V of Spain was the grandson of Louis XIV of France.

    Philip V of Spain (1683 – 1746)
    Louis I of Spain (1707 – 1724)
    Ferdinand VI of Spain (1713 – 1759)
    Charles III of Spain (1716 – 1788)
    Charles IV of Spain (1748 – 1819)
    Ferdinand VII of Spain (1784 – 1833)
    Francis, Duke of Cádiz (1822 – 1902)
    Alfonso XII of Spain (1857 – 1885)
    Alfonso XIII of Spain (1886 – 1941)
    Juan Carlos I of Spain (1938)
    Ferdinand I of the Two Sicilies (1751 – 1825)
    Francis I of the Two Sicilies (1777 – 1830)
    Ferdinand II of the Two Sicilies (1810 – 1859)
    Ferdinand II of the Two Sicilies (1836 – 1894)
    Louis, King of Etruria (1773 – 1803)

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    Maciamo, please feel free to add at least some of the royalty that I was hoping you'd one day add to your wonderful list and it makes it easier for everyone to observe.
    Quote Originally Posted by foryouandme View Post


    Kings & Queens of England or Great Britain

    Anne of Denmark (1574-1619) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Mary of Teck (1867-1953) => H (mtDNA)
    Edward VIII (1894-1972) => H (mtDNA)
    George VI (1895-1952) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Denmark

    Sophie of Pomerania (1498–1568) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Sophie of Mecklenburg-Güstrow (1557-1631) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Caroline Matilda of Great Britain (1751-1775) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Frederick VI (1768–1839) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Christian VIII (1786–1848) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Louise of Hesse-Kassel (1817-1898) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Louise of Sweden (1851–1926) => H (mtDNA)
    Christian X (1870-1947) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Norway

    Maud of Wales (1869-1938) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Haakon VII (1872-1957) => H (mtDNA)
    Märtha of Sweden (1901-1954) => H (mtDNA)
    Harald V (1937-) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Sweden

    Richeza of Denmark (1190–1220) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Christina of Holstein-Gottorp (1573-1625) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Maria Eleonora of Brandenburg (1599-1655) => H (mtDNA)
    Hedwig Eleonora of Holstein-Gottorp (1636-1715) => H (mtDNA)
    Louise of the Netherlands (1828-1871) => H (mtDNA)
    Sophia of Nassau (1836-1913) => H (mtDNA)
    Gustav V (1858-1950) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Prussia

    Sophia Charlotte of Hanover (1668-1705) => T2 (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of the Netherlands

    Emma of Waldeck and Pyrmont (1858-1934) => H (mtDNA)
    Wilhelmina (1880-1962) => H (mtDNA)
    Juliana (1909-2004) => H (mtDNA)
    Beatrix (1938-) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of the Belgians

    Astrid of Sweden (1905-1935) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of France

    Anne of Austria (1601-1666) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Sardinia

    Anne-Marie of Orléans (1669-1728) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Portugal

    Maria II (1819-1853) => H9 (mtDNA)
    Pedro V (1837-1861) => H9 (mtDNA)

    Emperors & Empress of Brazil

    Pedro II (1825-1891) => H9 (mtDNA)

    Tsars & Empress of Russia

    Catherine the Great (1729-1796) => H (mtDNA)
    Paul I (1754-1801) => H (mtDNA)
    Alexandra Feodorovna (Charlotte of Prussia) (1798-1860) => H (mtDNA)
    Maria Feodorovna (Dagmar of Denmark) (1847-1928) => T2 (mtDNA)

    Kings of Romania

    Ferdinand I (1865-1927) => H9 (mtDNA)
    Anne of Bourbon-Parma (1923-) => H9 (mtDNA)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexroma View Post
    Hello!

    in one book I read:

    "The basis, induced to show interest to a problem of an origin of
    prince Philippe, information which it is necessary to call unexpected
    was. It is a question of results of research DNA of the sister of
    prince Philippe - princesses of Sofia Hanover. About results which
    with all evidence testify that DNA of prince Philippe and the princess
    of Sofia don't coincide. Don't coincide so that give the grounds for
    the statement that they occurred from different parents.
    Professor William Meyplz, the head of genetic laboratory in Berkeley
    (California), professor Mary Clare King, geneticist Charles Ginter and
    doctor Willie Korte were the scientists concerning these researches,
    the known American judicial anthropologist from Florida".

    do you know mitochondrial DNA of princesses of Sofia Hanover?

    excuse if a question silly and for my English

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    Hello Alex,

    It is rumored in population DNA circles that the results from a tooth extracted from Princess Sofia were not an exact match with those of Prince Philip, and thus were not included in the original Gill et. al. report.

    I understand that King and Ginther never published their findings, probably as a consequence of the unwritten rule in science against publishing negative results.

    In a similar vein, two additional Hanoverian princesses were tested by Rohl, Warren and Hunt, and included in their book, "Purple Secret: Genes, 'Madness,' and the Royal Houses of Europe," (1998, Bantam Press). They reported the following HVR1 results for Princess Charlotte and her daughter, Princess Feodora:

    16111 16126 16169
    Princess Charlotte *T T C
    Princess Feodora C T C
    HRH Duke of Edinburgh *T T C

    *mutation from C

    As this was conducted during the early days of DNA testing, the authors went to great pains to suggest that the difference between the daughter Feodora and her supposed mother, Charlotte, may have been the result of contamination, with presenting scientific evidence in support. Since the book was published, more is known about mutations and repair mechanisms, and it could have very well been the case that the 16111C for Feodora may have simply have been a back mutation. I would have been more concerned had 16111 had been a "G" or an "A."

    I know it doesn't directly answer your question though, and I apologize for that.

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    Note: the sentence "As this was conducted during the early days of DNA testing, the authors went to great pains to suggest that the difference between the daughter Feodora and her supposed mother, Charlotte, may have been the result of contamination, with presenting scientific evidence in support." should read "As this was conducted during the early days of DNA testing, the authors went to great pains to suggest that the difference between the daughter Feodora and her supposed mother, Charlotte, may have been the result of contamination, WITHOUT presenting scientific evidence in support." I apologize for the confusion.

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    True

    I agree with your findings. I guess the adage that if the horse is in your barn, then its yours. Besides, I have seen some of the pics of Catherines' husband. I would have to have all of the lights out and have had a lot of Russian Vodka to deal with him.

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    Since Georgia currently at least politically is part of Europe here is the result of the Bagrationi royal house - Q1a3* (relict branch. no matches found whatsoever so far).

    In the XIII century Queen Tamar Bagrationi of Georgia married an Alan (Ossetian) prince David Soslan, so genetically current Bagrationis are descendants of Soslan. Although according to several sources David Soslan himself was of Bagrationi descent being great-great grandson of a Georgian king through Alanian consort.
    Hopefully sooner or later we will have results of paleoDNA analysis of pre-Soslan Bagrationis and will be able to compare.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagrationi

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    Any studies on descendants of Charlomayne?

    I see the royal descendants don't go back to Charlomayne, his descendants are scattered in most of the royal houses of europe. j

    Just curious.

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    Stewart Blood line

    You are correct about the Stewart's history in Brittany. They were from the house of Dol. In my studies of my ancestors I have come across their information.

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    How do you find this stuff? It's very interesting.

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    #84: The Bourbon kings are now supposedly all belonging to haplogroup R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA). See the update in #1.

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    I wonder if any Slav king/Tsar was found with R1A y-dna? Russian known ones were found to be N1C1 (different Rurikids) and R1B (Romanovs after Paul).
    Polish dynasties after Jagiellons also N1C1 (maybe Piasts were R1A?) that got replaced with R1B later.

    Hopes on Trouble Times Tsars of Russia, Piasts of Poland, some of elected monarchs of Poland, early Romanovs (unless their family traces back to Rurikids or Gediminids) and maybe South Slavs, since they had number of local Princes/Kings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arvistro View Post
    I wonder if any Slav king/Tsar was found with R1A y-dna? Russian known ones were found to be N1C1 (different Rurikids) and R1B (Romanovs after Paul).
    Polish dynasties after Jagiellons also N1C1 (maybe Piasts were R1A?) that got replaced with R1B later.

    Hopes on Trouble Times Tsars of Russia, Piasts of Poland, some of elected monarchs of Poland, early Romanovs (unless their family traces back to Rurikids or Gediminids) and maybe South Slavs, since they had number of local Princes/Kings.
    Apart from original dynasties, royal families mixed mainly with other royals. At the end of a day we shouldn't have too many haplogroups to deal with. How did they find out about Jagiellons? Test of bones or just known present relatives?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Apart from original dynasties, royal families mixed mainly with other royals. At the end of a day we shouldn't have too many haplogroups to deal with. How did they find out about Jagiellons? Test of bones or just known present relatives?
    Jagiellons are Gediminids. Same Rurikid project found that Gediminas was N just like Rurik but they were not relatives.

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    Mine are YDNA I1 and MtDNA (maternal) H1h

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    How about Hohenzollern Y-DNA haplogroup? I could not find anything anywhere about that male line.

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