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    Post Haplogroups of European kings and queens

    Two weeks ago, I mentioned that members of the House of Oldenburg belonged to haplogroup R1b, based on Tsar Nicholas II's DNA. Here is a summary of all European kings and queens (and crown princes) whose haplogroup can be deduced from the testing of a relative.

    Britain & Scandinavia

    Kings & Queens of England or Great Britain

    Edward IV (1442-1483) => J1c2c (mtDNA)
    Richard III (1452-1485) => J1c2c (mtDNA)
    James I (1566-1625) => R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
    Charles I (1600-1649) => T2 (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
    Henrietta Maria of France (1609-1669) => H (mtDNA)
    Charles II (1630-1685) => H (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
    James II (1633-1701) => H (mtDNA) ; R1b-L21 (Y-DNA)
    William III (1650-1702) => H (mtDNA)
    George I (1660-1727) => T2 (mtDNA)
    George III (1738-1820) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Victoria (1819-1901) => H (mtDNA)
    Edward VII (1841-1910) => H (mtDNA) R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Alexandra of Denmark (1844-1925) => T2 (mtDNA)
    George V (1865-1936) => T2 (mtDNA) R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Edward VIII (1894-1972) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    George VI (1895-1952) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh => H (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
    Charles, Prince of Wales => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Prince William, Duke of Cambridge => R30b (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)

    Kings & Queens of Scotland

    James III (1451-1488) => U5b* (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Denmark

    Sigrid the Haughty (968-1014) => => H (mtDNA)
    Harald II (980-1018) => H (mtDNA)
    Canute the Great (994-1035) => H (mtDNA)
    Sweyn II Estridson (1019-1076) => H (mtDNA)
    Canute V of Denmark (1129-1157) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Sophia of Minsk, Queen consort of Denmark (ca. 1140-1198) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    King Canute VI of Denmark (1163–1202) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    King Valdemar II of Denmark (1170–1241) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Queen Richeza of Denmark (1190-1220) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Olaf II of Denmark & Norway (1370-1387) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Elizabeth (1524-1586) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Anne (1574-1619) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Juliana Maria of Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel (1729-1796) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Margrethe II (1940-) => H (mtDNA)

    All the Kings of Denmark since Christian I (reigned from 1448) belonged to haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA)

    • Christian I (1426-1481)
    • John (1455-1513)
    • Christian II (1481-1559)
    • Frederick I
    • Christian III => T2 (mtDNA)
    • Frederick II
    • Christian IV => T2 (mtDNA)
    • Frederick III
    • Christian V
    • Frederick IV
    • Christian VI
    • Frederick V
    • Christian VII
    • Frederick VI => T2 (mtDNA)
    • Christian VIII => T2 (mtDNA)
    • Frederick VII
    • Christian IX (1818-1906)
    • Frederick VIII (1843-1912) => T2 (mtDNA)
    • Christian X (1870-1947)
    • Frederick IX (1899-1972)


    Kings of Norway

    Rikissa Birgersdotter of Sweden, Queen of Norway (c.1237-1288) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Haakon VI of Sweden & Norway (1340-1380) => I1 (Y-DNA)

    => See Kings of Denmark from Christian I to Frederick VI.

    Haakon VII (1872-1957) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Olav V (1903-1991) => T2 (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
    Harald V (1937-) => R1b (Y-DNA)

    Kings & Queens of Sweden

    Olof Skötkonung (980-1022) => H (mtDNA)
    Richeza of Poland, Queen of Sweden (1116-1156) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Valdemar I of Sweden (1239–1302) => I1 (Y-DNA), Z1a (mtDNA)
    Magnus III of Sweden (1240-1290) => I1 (Y-DNA), Z1a (mtDNA)
    Birger I of Sweden (1280-1321) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Valdemar, Duke of Finland (1280s-1318) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Magnus IV of Sweden (1316-1374) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Eric XII of Sweden (1339-1359) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Haakon VI of Sweden & Norway (1340-1380) => I1 (Y-DNA)
    Christian I (1426-1481) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    John (1455-1513) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Christian II (1481-1559) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Gustav II Adolf (1594-1632) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Charles X Gustav (1622-1660) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Christina of Sweden (1626-1689) => H (mtDNA)
    Margaret of Connaught (1882-1920) => H (mtDNA)
    Louise Mountbatten (1889-1965) => H (mtDNA)
    Ingrid (1910-2000) => H (mtDNA)
    Carl XVI Gustaf (1946-) => H (mtDNA)

    Benelux, Germany & Austro-Hungary

    Kings & Queens of Germany

    Elisabeth of Bavaria (c. 1227-1273) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Elizabeth of Carinthia (1262-1312) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Frederick the Fair, Duke of Austria and King of Germany (1289-1330) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Joanna of Bavaria, Queen of Germany and Bohemia (c. 1362–1386) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Albert II of Germany (1397-1439) => U5b* (mtDNA)

    Holy Roman Emperors & Empress

    Barbara of Celje (1390-1451) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Maximilian II of Habsburg (1527-1576) => H (mtDNA)
    Ferdinand II of Habsburg (1578-1637) => H (mtDNA)
    Leopold I of Habsburg (1640-1705) => H (mtDNA)
    Maria Amalia of Austria (1701-1756) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Maria Josepha of Bavaria (1739-1767) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Maria Luisa of Spain (1745-1792) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Leopold II of Habsburg (1747-1792) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor (1768-1835) => N1b (mtDNA)

    Margraves, Dukes & Archdukes of Austria

    Leopold I, Margrave of Austria (died 994) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Henry I, Margrave of Austria (died 1018) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Adalbert, Margrave of Austria (c. 985-1055) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Ernest, Margrave of Austria (1027-1075) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Leopold II, Margrave of Austria (1050-1095) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Leopold III, Margrave of Austria (1073-1136) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Leopold IV, Margrave of Austria, aka Leopold I, Duke of Bavaria (1108-1141) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Henry II, Duke of Austria, aka Henry XI, also Duke of Bavaria (1107-1177) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Leopold V, Duke of Austria (1157-1194) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Frederick I, Duke of Austria (c. 1175-1198) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Leopold VI, Duke of Austria (1176-1230) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Frederick II, Duke of Austria (1211-1246) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Rudolf I of Habsburg, Duke of Austria and Styria, King of Bohemia, and titular King of Poland (1282-1307) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Frederick I the Fair, Duke of Austria and Styria, and King of Germany (1289-1330) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Leopold I of Habsburg, Duke of Austria and Styria (1290-1326) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Albert II of Habsburg, Duke of Austria (1298-1358) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Otto I of Habsburg, Duke of Austria (1301-1339) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Albert II, King of Germany and Archduke of Austria (1397-1439) => U5b* (mtDNA)

    Emperors & Empress of Austria

    Maria Theresa (1717-1780) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Joseph II (1741-1790) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor (1768-1835)) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Ferdinand I (1793-1875) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Charles I (1887-1922) => H (mtDNA)

    Dukes/Kings & Queens of Bavaria

    Louis II, Duke of Bavaria (1229-1294) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Henry XIII, Duke of Bavaria (1235-1290) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    William II, Duke of Bavaria, Count of Holland, Zeeland and Hainaut (1365–1417) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Albert II (1369-1397) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    John III, Duke of Bavaria-Straubing, Count of Holland and Hainaut (1374/76-1425) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Louis IX, Duke of Bavaria-Landshut (1417-1479) => U5b* (mtDNA)

    Dukes/Kings & Queens of Bohemia

    Boleslaus II the Pious (920-999) => H (mtDNA)
    Henry VI of Carinthia (c. 1270–1335) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Rudolf I of Habsburg (1282-1307) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Joanna of Bavaria (c. 1362–1386) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Albert II of Germany (1397-1439) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Elisabeth of Bohemia (1409–1442) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Vladislas II of Bohemia and Hungary (1456-1516) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1546) => H (mtDNA)
    Elizabeth Stuart (1596-1662) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Ferdinand IV of Bohemia and Hungary (1633-1654) => H (mtDNA)
    Maria Amalia of Austria (1701-1756) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Maria Luisa of Spain (1745-1792) => N1b (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Prussia

    Frederick William I of Prussia (1688-1740) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Elisabeth Christine of Brunswick-Bevern (1715-1797) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Frederick William II (1744-1797) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Emperors & Empress of Germany

    Victoria of Prussia (1840-1901) => H (mtDNA)
    Wilhelm II (1859-1941) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings of Saxony

    Frederick Augustus II (1797-1854) => H3 (mtDNA)
    John I (1801-1873) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Stadtholder of Holland and Zeeland

    Maurice of Nassau, Prince of Orange (1567-1625) => T2 (mtDNA)

    Kings of the Netherlands & Grand Duke of Luxembourg

    William I (1772-1843) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of the Belgians

    Leopold I (1790-1865) => H (mtDNA) R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Marie-Louise of France (1812-1850) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Leopold II (1835-1909) => H3 (mtDNA) R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Albert I (1875-1934) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Leopold III (1901-1983) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Baldwin I (1930-1993) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Albert II (b. 1934) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)

    Italy, France, Spain & Portugal

    Kings & Queens of France

    All kings of France supposedly belonged to haplogroup R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA).

    Ingeborg of Denmark, Queen of France (1175-1236) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    Francis I (1494-1547) => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Henry IV (1553-1610) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) U5b* (mtDNA)
    Marie de' Medici (1575-1642) => H (mtDNA)
    Louis XIII (1601-1643) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) H (mtDNA)
    Maria Theresa of Spain (1638-1683) => H (mtDNA)
    Louis, Dauphin of France (1661–1711) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) H (mtDNA)
    Louis XV (1710-1774) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) H (mtDNA)
    Louis XVI (1754-1793) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) N1b (mtDNA)
    Marie-Antoinette (1755-1793) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Louis XVII (1785-1795) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) H3 (mtDNA)
    Louis XVIII of France (1755-1824) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) N1b (mtDNA)
    Charles X of France (1757-1836) => R1b-Z381 (Y-DNA) N1b (mtDNA)

    Emperors & Empress of France

    Napoleon I (1769-1821) => E-M34 (Y-DNA) H (mtDNA)
    Marie Louise of Austria (1791-1847) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Napoleon II (1811-1832) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of the French

    Maria Amalia of the Two Sicilies (1782-1866) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Kings of Italy

    Victor Emmanuel II (1820-1878) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Grand Duke of Tuscany

    Archduchess Joanna of Austria (1547–1578) => H (mtDNA)
    Ferdinando II de' Medici (1610-1670) => H (mtDNA)

    Dukes of Parma

    All dukes of the House of Bourbon-Parma descended from Philip V of Spain, himself a grandson of Louis XIV of France, and therefore presumably belonging to Y-haplogroup R1b-Z381.

    King of Sardinia

    Charles Emmanuel III of Sardinia (1701-1773) => H (mtDNA)
    Maria Christina of the Two Sicilies (1779–1849) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Maria Theresa of Tuscany (1801-1855) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Kings of the Two Sicilies

    All the kings of the Two Sicilies presumably belonged to Y-haplogroup R1b-Z381 as members of the House of Bourbon.

    Kings & Queens of Spain

    Philip I of Castile, King of Castile and ruler of the Burgundian Netherlands => U5b* (mtDNA)
    Margaret of Austria (1584–1611) => H (mtDNA)
    Philip IV (1605-1665) => H (mtDNA)
    Elisabeth of France (1602–1644) => H (mtDNA)
    Mariana of Austria (1634-1696) => H (mtDNA)
    Charles II (1661-1700) => H (mtDNA)
    Marie Louise of Orléans (1662-1689) => H (mtDNA)
    Maria Luisa of Savoy (1688-1714) => H (mtDNA)
    Ferdinand VI (1713-1759) => H (mtDNA)
    Maria Amalia of Saxony (1724-1760) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Charles IV of Spain (1748-1819) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Maria Josepha of Saxony (1803-1829) => H3 (mtDNA)
    Isabella II (1830-1904) => H (mtDNA)
    Alfonso XII (1857-1885) => H (mtDNA)
    Victoria Eugenie of Battenberg (1887-1969) => H (mtDNA)
    Sofia (1938-) => H (mtDNA)
    Felipe, Prince of Asturias (1968-) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Portugal

    Maria II (1819-1853) => H (mtDNA)
    Pedro V (1837-1861) => H (mtDNA) R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Luís I (1838-1889) => H (mtDNA) R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Carlos I (1863-1908) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Manuel II (1889-1932) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)

    Emperors & Empress of Brazil

    Maria Leopoldina of Austria (1797-1826) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Emperors & Empress of Mexico

    Charlotte of Belgium (1840-1927) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Eastern Europe

    Dukes/Kings & Queens of Poland

    Boleslaw I Chrobry (967-1025) => H (mtDNA)
    Elisabeth of Austria (1436-1505) => T2 (mtDNA)
    John I Albert (1459-1501) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Alexander Jagiellon (1461-1506) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Sigismund I of Poland (1467-1548) => T2 (mtDNA)
    Catherine of Austria (1533-1572) => H (mtDNA)
    Anna of Austria (1573-1598) => H (mtDNA)
    Wladyslaw IV Vasa (1595-1648) => H (mtDNA)
    Constance of Austria (1588-1631) => H (mtDNA)
    John II Casimir Vasa (1609-1672) => H (mtDNA)
    Marie Louise Gonzaga (1611-1667) => N1b (mtDNA)
    Eleonora Maria Josefa of Austria (1653-1697) => H (mtDNA)
    Marie Thérèse de Bourbon (1666-1732) => N1b (mtDNA)

    Grand Princes of Kiev

    According to the descendant testing listed at the Russian Nobility DNA Project at FTDNA, the branch of the Rurik dynasty descended from Vladimir II Monomakh (Monomakhoviches) belong to Y-DNA haplogroup N1c1, while the branch descended from his presumed paternal cousin Oleg I of Chernigov (Olgoviches) belonged to R1a1a. The Y-DNA from the Proto-Rurikid branches is N1c1 and matches the distinctive haplotype of the Monomakhoviches. Furthermore, this N1c1 haplotype possess the distinctive value DYS390=23, found in Scandinavia but not in Uralic populations, confirming that this was indeed the original haplotype of the Varangian prince Rurik (c. 830-c. 879) who established the Kievan Rus'.

    The N1c1 Monomakhoviches include:

    • Vladimir II Monomakh (1053-1125)
    • Mstislav I of Kiev (1076-1132)
    • Yaropolk II of Kiev (1082-1139)
    • Viacheslav I of Kiev (1083-1154)
    • Yuri Dolgorukiy (c. 1090-1157)
    • Iziaslav II of Kiev (c. 1097-1154)
    • Rostislav I of Kiev (c. 1110–1167)
    • Yaroslav II of Kiev (c. 1132-1180)
    • Roman the Great (c. 1152-1205) => Z1a (mtDNA)
    • Rurik Rostislavich (?–1215)
    • Ingvar of Kiev (c. 1152-1220)
    • Mstislav III of Kiev (died 1223)
    • Rostislav II of Kiev (1173-1214)
    • Vladimir IV Rurikovich (1187-1239)
    • Daniel of Galicia (c. 1201-1264)
    • Alexander Nevsky (1220-1263)
    • Lev I of Galicia (c. 1228-c. 1301)
    • Yaroslav of Tver (1230–1271)
    • Yuri I of Galicia (1252-1308), King of Galicia-Volhynia (or King of Rus')
    • Andrew of Galicia (?-1323), King of Galicia-Volhynia
    • Lev II of Galicia (?-1323), King of Galicia-Volhynia


    Grand Dukes of Lithuania

    According to the descendant testing listed at the Russian Nobility DNA Project at FTDNA, the House of Gediminas (1285–1440), also known as Gediminids, belonged to Y-DNA haplogroup N1c1.

    Tsars & Empress of Russia

    Peter II (1715-1730) => H3 (mtDNA)

    Romanov dynasty since Paul I => R1b (Y-DNA) :

    • Paul I (1754-1801)
    • Alexander I (1777-1825)
    • Constantine I (1779-1831)
    • Nicholas I (1796-1855)
    • Alexander II (1818-1881)
    • Alexander III (1845-1894)
    • Nicholas II (1868-1918) => T2 (mtDNA)


    Maria Feodorovna (1847-1928) => H (mtDNA)
    Alexandra Feodorovna (1872-1918) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings & Queens of Greece

    George I (1845-1913) => T2 (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
    Constantine I (1868-1923) => R1b (Y-DNA)
    Sophia of Prussia (1870-1932) => H (mtDNA)
    Princess Alice of Battenberg (1885-1969) => H (mtDNA)
    Alexander (1893-1920) => H (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
    George II (1890-1947) => H (mtDNA) ; R1b (Y-DNA)
    Paul (1901-1964) => H (mtDNA)
    Anne-Marie (1946-) => H (mtDNA)
    Pavlos, Crown Prince of Greece (1967-) => H (mtDNA)

    Kings of Romania

    Ferdinand I (1865-1927) => H (mtDNA)
    Michael (1921-) => H (mtDNA)

    Tsars of Bulgaria

    Ferdinand I (1861-1948) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Boris III (1894-1943) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
    Simeon II (b. 1937) => R1b-U106 (Z305+) (Y-DNA)
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    Only 1 Y-DNA and 4 mtDNA lineages were used to compile the above list. The people tested were (with the known mitochondrial mutations) :

    - King Sweyn II of Denmark (mtDNA haplogroup H)

    DNA tested from the king's remains at Roskilde Cathedral. His earliest recorded matrilineal ancestor was Dubrawka of Bohemia (died 977).

    - Tzar Nicholas II of Russia (mtDNA haplogroup T2 : 16126C, 16169Y*, 16294T, 16296T, 73G, 263G, 315.1C)
    * heteroplasmy for 16169Y (common within haplogroup T).

    All the members of haplogroup T2 above descend from Adelheid von Alpeck (died 1280), daughter of Witegow von Alpeck.

    Their most recent common matrilineal ancestor is Elisabeth of Bohemia (1409–1442), daughter of Sigismund of Luxembourg, Holy Roman Emperor, and Barbara of Celje.

    - Empress Alexandra Fyodorovna of Hesse and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh (haplogroup H : 263G, 315.1C, 16111T, 16357C)

    Both of them descend in matrilineal line from Queen Victoria. This lineage's oldest known matrilineal ancestor would be Mathilde, mother of Cecile de Provence-Arles (died in 1150).

    The most recent common ancestor of the people on this page is Anne of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1546).

    The subclade of H cannot be identified without results from the coding region. The 16111 mutation suggest that it might be H2.

    - Emperess Maria Theresa of Austria (haplogroup H : 152C, 194T, 263G, 315.1C, 16519C)

    Various matrilineal descendants of Maria Theresa were tested and confirmed to belong to the same haplogroup.

    This lineage's oldest known matrilineal ancestor is Anna Katherina von Salm-Kyrburg (1614-1647).

    The most recent common ancestor to all the above-mentioned is Princess Christine Louise of Oettingen-Oettingen, who was the maternal grandmother of Maria Theresa of Austria, Queen Elisabeth Christine of Prussia, Queen Juliane Marie of Denmark and Tsar Peter II of Russia.

    This lineage is possibly H3 (mentioned as such above to differentiate it from the H lineage descending from Anne of Bohemia).


    It's interesting to see that 3 out of the 4 lineages descend from a Queen/Duchess of Bohemia.
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    (mtDNA haplogroup H)

    Maciamo,

    If one wished to compare their personal mtDNA, with the same Haplogroup H, is there a web site that you might know of to do this? Register and follow their page instructions, etc.

    Example: mtDNA for King Michael I of Romania, his Mother - Princess Ileana of Romania, her Mother - Queen Marie of Romania (great grandmother - Queen Victoria), her Mother - Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Edinburgh?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanton View Post
    Maciamo,

    If one wished to compare their personal mtDNA, with the same Haplogroup H, is there a web site that you might know of to do this? Register and follow their page instructions, etc.

    Example: mtDNA for King Michael I of Romania, his Mother - Princess Ileana of Romania, her Mother - Queen Marie of Romania (great grandmother - Queen Victoria), her Mother - Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Edinburgh?

    Thank you in advance.

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    Comparing mtDNA sequences with these would be useless to prove any kinship for three reasons :

    1) two individials can share identically the same full mtDNA sequence and still not be related on the maternal line for 2000 years.

    2) none of the royalty listed above had their full mtDNA sequence tested - only the HVRI and HVRII.

    3) just belonging to the same subclade doesn't mean anything since the common ancestors might have lived many thousands, if not tens of thousands of years ago.

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    This is what I thought as well. Secondly, an inquiry as to possible options:

    1. A lock of Queen Victoria's hair?

    2. Exhume the body of Princess Ileana of Romania?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanton View Post
    This is what I thought as well. Secondly, an inquiry as to possible options:

    1. A lock of Queen Victoria's hair?

    2. Exhume the body of Princess Ileana of Romania?
    What exactly is your question ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blanton View Post
    Maciamo,

    If one wished to compare their personal mtDNA, with the same Haplogroup H, is there a web site that you might know of to do this? Register and follow their page instructions, etc.

    Example: mtDNA for King Michael I of Romania, his Mother - Princess Ileana of Romania, her Mother - Queen Marie of Romania (great grandmother - Queen Victoria), her Mother - Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Edinburgh?

    Thank you in advance.

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    You have confused two maternal lines. Queen Victoria was Queen Marie of Romania's paternal grandmother. However, Queen Marie and her paternal grandfather Prince Albert shared the same matrilineal line.

    King Michael I of Romania, his Mother - Princess Helen of Greece and Denmark, her Mother - Princess Sophie of Prussia, her Mother - Victoria, Princess Royal, her Mother - Queen Victoria of Great Britain

    Their mtDNA haplogroup was H. Their farthest known maternal line ancestress was Juana Núñez de Lara http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juana_N...3%B1ez_de_Lara

    Princess Ileana of Romania, her Mother - Queen Marie of Romania, her Mother - Grand Duchess Marie Alexandrovna of Russia, her Mother - Princess Marie of Hesse

    Their farthest known maternal line ancestress was Euphrosyne Doukaina Kamatera http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphros...kaina_Kamatera

    Hope this all helps

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    Wow, great work! :)

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    According to the Stuart/Stewart Project at FTDNA, King Charles II of Great Britain would have been R1b-L21. This is concordant with the history of the House of Stuart, who traces its roots to Brittany (a region with a high frequency of R-L21) before settling in Scotland during the Norman period.

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    Great work indeed !
    Very interesting, but if you isolate the Ydna, all these families are related to each other, mainly through Victoria, as she placed her many daughters quite wisely throughout Europe.
    There is also different dynasties, not always related through paternal line, and I see very few Ydna's, wondering why .....
    Last edited by ylebzh; 25-07-09 at 08:15. Reason: thread overread

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    Quote Originally Posted by ylebzh View Post
    Very interesting, but if you isolate the Ydna, all these families are related to each other, mainly through Victoria, as she placed her many daughters quite wisely throughout Europe.
    They are all related mainly through the Danish royal family, even the Greek royal family was originally Danish. But Victoria did help a bit, Tsar Nicholas II, his wife Alexandra, Wilhelm II of Germany and George V of Great Britain were all first cousins.

    Quite a family resemblence
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ts...g_George_V.JPG

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    I found the article about the origin of Prince Williams of England

    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    According to the Stuart/Stewart Project at FTDNA, King Charles II of Great Britain would have been R1b-L21. This is concordant with the history of the House of Stuart, who traces its roots to Brittany (a region with a high frequency of R-L21) before settling in Scotland during the Norman period.
    Here is the internet article:

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    Stewart Blood line

    You are correct about the Stewart's history in Brittany. They were from the house of Dol. In my studies of my ancestors I have come across their information.

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    1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.
    "whose haplogroup can be deduced from the testing of a relative". I think that you should be a bit careful with this way of proceeding because Y chromosomes can easy be given by other men than "supposed to be fathers" especially if they just figure on old papers. I think that such an Y-DNA test would be very interesting in the case of the son of Catherine the Great of Russia. Because if the Y-chromosome of her son is not the same as the Y chromosome of her husband Tsar "Peter III", but of her good friend Sergei Saltykov, this would show that "legitimacy" is a far more "idealistic" value, also in dynasties than a reality based on real direct biological lineage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas Peucelle View Post
    "whose haplogroup can be deduced from the testing of a relative". I think that you should be a bit careful with this way of proceeding because Y chromosomes can easy be given by other men than "supposed to be fathers" especially if they just figure on old papers. I think that such an Y-DNA test would be very interesting in the case of the son of Catherine the Great of Russia. Because if the Y-chromosome of her son is not the same as the Y chromosome of her husband Tsar "Peter III", but of her good friend Sergei Saltykov, this would show that "legitimacy" is a far more "idealistic" value, also in dynasties than a reality based on real direct biological lineage.
    I agree that paternity can easily be "compromised". However, Nicholas II Romanov's relatedness to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was proven by comparing both Y-DNA. It means that the lineages that separate them ar at least uncompromised.

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    Yes, no doubts for the family lineage after Paul I. But the main question may remain a bit unsolved.. Is the Tsar Paul I a "Romanov" or is he not. I guess that later on, over the generations, thanks to all kinds of cousin marriages the biological Romanov blood line was re-entering anyhow into the official Tsar family "through the back door". It is a bit "sad" to imagine that a man like Peter The Great may have no descendants at all today? Except for illegitimate unknown children. (I admit I didn't check precisely into the details of the other official daughters he had.. but his personal Y-Chromosome lineage for sure was ending because of all his sons deaths before they had sons.).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas Peucelle View Post
    Yes, no doubts for the family lineage after Paul I. But the main question may remain a bit unsolved.. Is the Tsar Paul I a "Romanov" or is he not. I guess that later on, over the generations, thanks to all kinds of cousin marriages the biological Romanov blood line was re-entering anyhow into the official Tsar family "through the back door". It is a bit "sad" to imagine that a man like Peter The Great may have no descendants at all today? Except for illegitimate unknown children. (I admit I didn't check precisely into the details of the other official daughters he had.. but his personal Y-Chromosome lineage for sure was ending because of all his sons deaths before they had sons.).
    I can't remember exactly where I saw something about this, but I believe that recently I saw an article that verified Pavel Petrovich as the son of Peter III and not the product of an affair with Sergei Saltykov. I believe the evidence was DNA based but I cannot find the article now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas Peucelle View Post
    It is a bit "sad" to imagine that a man like Peter The Great may have no descendants at all today? Except for illegitimate unknown children. (I admit I didn't check precisely into the details of the other official daughters he had.. but his personal Y-Chromosome lineage for sure was ending because of all his sons deaths before they had sons.).
    One of his sons (who was sentenced to death by him) actually had a son Peter II, and a daughter, who died teenagers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Nicholas II Romanov's relatedness to Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was proven by comparing both Y-DNA...


    Dear Maciamo,

    Could you please point me to where it is possible to read about their comparison?

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    True

    I agree with your findings. I guess the adage that if the horse is in your barn, then its yours. Besides, I have seen some of the pics of Catherines' husband. I would have to have all of the lights out and have had a lot of Russian Vodka to deal with him.

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    Interesting. Great work.

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    Maciamo,

    Thank you so much for posting the haplogroups of the European Kings and Queens.
    Very informative. I also study history as a hobby.

    While my direct paternal line is G, my mother's father (French ancestry)was hg I+++ (eye) he came from La Rochelle. My mother's maternal grandfather was R1b++
    (Iberian ancestry). Males cousins from both lines tested for our family.

    Melusine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Louis XVII (1785-1795) => G2a3 (Y-DNA) H9 (mtDNA)
    He is supposed to be G2a3b1 and very probably L140 +
    Nico

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    What is the DNA of Louis Charles, son of King Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette?

    Quote Originally Posted by willy View Post
    He is supposed to be G2a3b1 and very probably L140 +
    This Quote above does not seem to be correct according to what I have read. Can you post on here what his DNA should be from what tests have shown lately since they now believe that the gourd did not have the blood from King Louis XVI and the head did not belong to King Henri the IV? Also is there any way that the results from the testing of the three male descendants of the French Kings could be published or even sent to me in an e-mail? Is there any way to compare a DNA test that is on Ancestry.Com to any of these Kings of France? Sorry for the multiple questions. If you would rather not post on this forum the answers, would you please answer my request by e-mail?
    Thank you so very much for answering my request.

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    What, no Robert de Bruce?
    I'm reminded of the joke from one of Sir Terry Prattchet's Discworld novels, "The royal family had died out because they had inbred so much the last king kept trying to breed with himself..."

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