IJK haplogroup

JFWR said:
Of course, I would like to see Savant give his answers to your views to see what evidence he might muster.

Savant? Come on and tell us why you think Sparkey is wrong.
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Sorry, shortly after he posted, he got banned (not for the post, for something else).
 
JFWR said:
So p108 is the common link between these clades?
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Between A1b and BT, yes. Other A clades don't have it, which means that BT is on the A1b branch of Haplogroup A. (But recall that I had also mentioned that a bunch of A1b subclade SNPs are not shared by BT--these are ones that subclades of A1b developed after BT split.)

JFWR said:
Given the rate of mutation in the Y-chromosome, why the tens of thousands of time lapse? Is it due to such sparse populations?
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I think it's mainly due to genetic drift over time, which sparse populations can indeed accelerate.
 
sparkey said:
Between A1b and BT, yes. Other A clades don't have it, which means that BT is on the A1b branch of Haplogroup A. (But recall that I had also mentioned that a bunch of A1b subclade SNPs are not shared by BT--these are ones that subclades of A1b developed after BT split.)
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Very intriguing. Thanks, my good man.

I think it's mainly due to genetic drift over time, which sparse populations can indeed accelerate.
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Or you mean: Decelerate? Because the process is much slower than the divergences between the other haplogroups.

A sparse population allows fewer occasions for haplogroup genesis via mutational changes.
 
JFWR said:
Or you mean: Decelerate? Because the process is much slower than the divergences between the other haplogroups.

A sparse population allows fewer occasions for haplogroup genesis via mutational changes.
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I mean a sparse population accelerates genetic drift. So if a population is sparse for a long time, you'll have a lot of bottlenecks, making the average distance in time between them relatively large (if multiple ones survive at all). Another factor is geographic isolation, where a population will split in two geographically, and then have its lineages bottleneck in different places.
 
as per this copy of an article , . Where does this place IJand K for diversity

Here are the results of calculating Simpson's E index value for European Y-chromosome data taken from Europedia ( http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml ):

Largest diversity:

Turkey 0,717309
Macedonia 0,557973
Thessaly 0,517920
Albania 0,510934
Austria 0,496179
Bulgaria 0,485343
Greece 0,466723
Hungary 0,460978
South Italy 0,445692
Romania 0,438251
Czech Republic 0,425496
Serbia 0,419657
Sicily 0,411929
Cyprus 0,403551
Sardinia 0,363822
East Germany 0,355897
Slovenia 0,355821
North Germany 0,352361
Crete 0,347512


Medium diversity:

Central Italy 0,337655
Estonia 0,333600
Slovakia 0,328666
Germany 0,321440
Switzerland 0,319836
West Germany 0,316496
South Germany 0,307135
Croatia 0,299168
Sweden 0,296270
Russia 0,293738
Ukraine 0,289553
Norway 0,288976
Italy 0,283688
Belarus 0,282821
Bosnia-Herzegovina 0,281318
Denmark 0,267910
Auvergne 0,266454
Bashkirs 0,262199
Latvia 0,258238


Lowest diversity:

Lithuania 0,251953
Netherlands 0,249389
Cantabrians 0,247721
North Italy 0,247592
Iceland 0,246257
Poland 0,231433
Portugal 0,227858
Andalusians 0,221808
Belgium 0,215666
France 0,210093
Finland 0,194841
Galicians 0,185474
England 0,175411
Spain 0,171857
Scotland 0,153370
Ireland 0,131726
Brittany 0,128279
Wales 0,122757
Basques 0,111326

So Turkey looks most diverse and then the Balkan region (Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia ) followed by Central Europe (Austria , Hungary, Czech Republic, Slovenia). Also South of Italy and Mediterranean islands are one of the most diverse places of Europe in this respect. Also North and East Germany belong to this most diverse group.

The least diverse regions are European peripheries: Basque region, British Isles, Iberia, Finland (but not Scandinavia except Iceland), Lithuania, Poland, but also France, the Low Countries and North Italy.

Least diverse would mean less types of migration arriving
 
Just received my FTDNA Big Y result and my new haplogroup is IJK-L15???
 
Ataneojr1 said:
Just received my FTDNA Big Y result and my new haplogroup is IJK-L15???
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A very rare haplogroup indeed. It split from other branches of Eurasian haplogroups some 50,000 years ago. You are the first person I know of who belongs to that branch.
 
Maciamo said:
A very rare haplogroup indeed. It split from other branches of Eurasian haplogroups some 50,000 years ago. You are the first person I know of who belongs to that branch.
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I messaged them to Confirm it because according to an Expert I should be Ydna P-P295 and there could be a misreading of the result???
so we shall see.
 
Ataneojr1 said:
I messaged them to Confirm it because according to an Expert I should be Ydna P-P295 and there could be a misreading of the result???
so we shall see.
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I have No idea what and how this works but it has gone from P-P295...to P....then on FTDNA to K-M9...to IJK-L15...now it is P-BY49600??? I guess that's the real One.
 
YFULL currently has it at K2B
 
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