Belgian Y-DNA from the Brabant Project

Thanks Maciamo

Do you know if the results are accessable, to the participants and to the public?:)

I ask as our particular U152 branch has rare values: YCAII=19,22 and 447=27 said to be of 'Isles' origin!

It would be interesting to see if any are 'close' to us!

No, individual STR results are not accessible, even to other members. However they will be published on a CD-ROM once the project will be complete.
 
Thanks Maciamo :beer:

No, individual STR results are not accessible, even to other members. However they will be published on a CD-ROM once the project will be complete.
 
Any idea when or if the Brabant Project will be brought up to date and start testing for L21?

You'll understand why I am rather less than enthusiastic about the current crop of results.

For me they miss the boat entirely. :annoyed:
 
Added to the Brabant Project

Hello, I also got my results last month.

R1b1b2a2* P312

Living in the Dutch province of Brabant.
Oldest ancestor known is from Mierlo.
 
There hasn't been a lot of progress lately, but here is the latest status based on 981 results.

R1b : (n=600) 61.16%
R1b-M343 : n=1 (0.1%)
-R1b-P25: n=1 (0.1%)
--R1b-P297: n=1 (0.1%)
---R1b-M269 : n=17 (1.7%)
----R1b-P310 : n=7 (0.7%)
----- R1b-U106 (S21) : n=255 (26%)
----- R1b-P312 (S116, incl. L21) : n=208 (21.2%)
------ R1b-U152 (S28) : n=101 (10.3%)
------ R1b-SRY2627 : n=6 (0.6%)

R1a : n=38 (3.9%)
R1a* : n=1
-R1a1 : n=37

I1 : n=119 (12.1%)
I1* : n=112
- I1c (P109) : n=7

I2 : n=70 (7.1%)
-I2* : n=14 (1.4%)
-- I2a* : n=14 (1.4%)
-- I2b* : n=43 (4.3%)
--- I2b1 (M284) : n=2 (0.2%)
--- I2b3 (P78) : n=2 (0.2%)
--- I2b4 (P95) : n=3 (0.3%)

J1 : n=11 (1.1%)

J2 : n=40 (4.1%)
- J2a* (M410) : n=21 (2.2%)
---J2a3b (M67) : n=4 (0.4%)
----J2a3b1 (M92) : n=5 (0.5%)
---J2a3d (M319) : n=3 (0.3%)
- J2b* : n=0
-- J2b2 : n=6 (0.6%)

G2a : n=37 (3.8%)

E1 : n=50 (5.1%)
-E1b1b (M215) : n=0
---E1b1b1a (M78) : n=1
-----E1b1b1a1a (V12) : n=1
-----E1b1b1a1b (V13) : n=27 (2.8%)
------E1b1b1a1b5 (M35) : n=2
-----E1b1b1a1c (V22) : n=4
----E1b1b1b1 (M81) : n=2
---E1b1b1c (M123) : n=2
----E1b1b1c1 (M34) : n=11 (1.2%)


L : n=4 (0.4%)
-L1 (M27) : n=3
-L2 (M317) : n=1

T : n=6 (0.6%)

A : n=1 (0.1%)

Q : n=4 (0.4%)
 
Interesting. Thanks for sharing this. What is striking is that there's almost no Neolithic influence, at least "Neolithic" as far as we know (taking the samples from Treilles into account).
 
Thank you for posting the Brabant stats. I'm shocked to see any T's living in the area.
 
Thank you for posting the Brabant stats. I'm shocked to see any T's living in the area.

Why would you be shocked ?
 
I was told no T's in Belgian by a fool. I was a fool to believe a fool. :) The guy wants to mess up my family tree.
 
A U152* and 19, 22 from Belgium has just lost their *!

He is now Z36+.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b-U152/default.aspx?section=yresults

I hope more U152* from the area take the deep clade soon!



Thanks Maciamo

Do you know if the results are accessable, to the participants and to the public?:)

I ask as our particular U152 branch has rare values: YCAII=19,22 and 447=27 said to be of 'Isles' origin!

It would be interesting to see if any are 'close' to us!
 
It's a pity they don't test for L21 given the large percentage that are just P312* it wouldn't be surprising if a good chunk of these were L21+, awh well.
 
It's a pity they don't test for L21 given the large percentage that are just P312* it wouldn't be surprising if a good chunk of these were L21+, awh well.

Indeed you're right! I have been tested by them as being P312 and that's it. I really thought they would go deeper, but they only tested some of the subclades and not all. I saw on the forum that after the first part is done, they would then retest everyone for the new subclades discovered in the mean time. Let's hope it will come soon, really looking forward to a more precise subclade for my Y-DNA!
 
Indeed you're right! I have been tested by them as being P312 and that's it. I really thought they would go deeper, but they only tested some of the subclades and not all. I saw on the forum that after the first part is done, they would then retest everyone for the new subclades discovered in the mean time. Let's hope it will come soon, really looking forward to a more precise subclade for my Y-DNA!

Well no doubt part of the issue is that L21 was only discovered in 2008! It's actually fairly amazing when you look at the "tree" from 2007 and compare it to the current draft tree. There are at least three new clades under P312 (L238, DF19, Z196 -- above iberian M153 + L176 )
 
I see there is a result for J2a3d. I am J2a3d from UK, and I know of one other J2a3d in Belgium who we appear to be related to about the time of the Norman conquest, my guess is that its the same person, but id be really interested if not. Is it possible to find out?

thanks
 
Hi,

I thought this group may be interested to know that the Haplogroup of the Belgian Royal Family has now been determined as a result of the combined research of the U106 Yahoo Group and myself (per my website). Further details can be found on the Haplogroup tab - if you are interested.

Thank you,
Brad (the-kings-son.com)
 
Anyone have an update on this project? Is it finished?

Someone mentioned a CD ROM of the results being made available. Has that happened yet?

Thanks
 
all the way I find very disappointing that they mix Walloon Brabenders with Netherlands speakers Brabenderds, and Antwerpeners - the ancient Provinces had no more value than the modern political cuttings - see Brittany that encompasses more than a micro-region, whatever the criteria: linguistic, genetic traits, history - the more small the scale, the better, I find
 
Anyone have an update on this project? Is it finished?

Someone mentioned a CD ROM of the results being made available. Has that happened yet?

Thanks

The project for Flanders is finished. They couldn't find enough participants to complete their objectives for Wallonia. All the results of the first phase can be obtained from the book or DVD, which are available on the Brabant DNA Project's website. A new project for all the Netherlands is being planned at the moment.
 
The project for Flanders is finished. They couldn't find enough participants to complete their objectives for Wallonia. All the results of the first phase can be obtained from the book or DVD, which are available on the Brabant DNA Project's website. A new project for all the Netherlands is being planned at the moment.

Thanks Maciamo,

I dont suppose you, or anyone else here, has the book or DVD and would look up the M319 results for me. Im only interested in these three results, and also I dont speak Dutch.

Thanks
Joel
 

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