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    mt-DNA Nordic haplogroups

    Which mt-DNA haplogroups are considered Nordic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambria Red View Post
    Which mt-DNA haplogroups are considered Nordic?
    U4 I think.

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    K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.

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    All K is Alpine. Believed to have originated in N. Italy or Switzerland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.
    J1b1, J1a, J1c and subclades of J2 and T2b are considered Nordic.

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    I would have thought subclades of U like U5b.

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    23andme comes up with these if you search "Viking":

    J1 - J1a2-16192
    I - though rare now
    T1 - " "
    H4

    In each case, they're being introduced to Scandinavia through Viking raids. U4a and U4b are very good candidates for being ancestral (per 23andme).


    In regards to the J1 link...J1a2-16192...does anyone know how to determine if I have the correct allele for this Viking link? I'm classified as J1a* by 23andme, J by deCODEme, J1c3a if I try to calculate it using Jim Logan's paper on Haplogroup J:

    http://www.jogg.info/41/Logan.htm

    I have these results for cCRS 16192:

    4001097 A or C C
    4001099 C or T C

    At deCODEme, there's a very strong pattern of Northern Europeans matching highly on one particular region on the X chromosome. My highest matches are a Swedish woman and Norwegian man, with high matching on the X.

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    dbSNP Genotype: C

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    It's hard to answer the OP's question because Nordic haplogroups are also found in the rest of Europe. Based on frequencies alone, H1, H3, J1, T2, U4 and U5 are all widespread in Scandinavia, but their origins are various.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cambria Red View Post
    All K is Alpine. Believed to have originated in N. Italy or Switzerland.
    That's a misconception. K originated in the Middle East, somewhere between Egypt and Mesopotamia. There isn't a lot of reliable mtDNA data from the Middle East, but the 23andMe map shows that K peaks in Egypt (around 25%) and a study of the Middle East gave similarly high figures for Iraq. K, along with J, is one of the typical Neolithic farmer haplogroups. K is also found in ancient Indo-European populations (e.g. Bronze-age Russia or Central Asia where R1a1 was found), which indicates that Indo-Europeans probably took wives among their southern neighbours.
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    I took the test in Igenea, my mitochondrial DNA is J and the result I got is Celtic origin Europe, does that mean that in the Neolithic my mother was not yet in the Iberian Peninsula and arrived with subsequent migration to the Iberian Peninsula?

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    Frankly, I don't know why 23andme just list J1-J1a2, I, T1 and H4 as 'Viking'. U5a1a has been found in 'Viking' remains, and U5a1 has a peak in Scandinavia. Equally good candidates one would think..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    It's hard to answer the OP's question because Nordic haplogroups are also found in the rest of Europe. Based on frequencies alone, H1, H3, J1, T2, U4 and U5 are all widespread in Scandinavia, but their origins are various.



    That's a misconception. K originated in the Middle East, somewhere between Egypt and Mesopotamia. There isn't a lot of reliable mtDNA data from the Middle East, but the 23andMe map shows that K peaks in Egypt (around 25%) and a study of the Middle East gave similarly high figures for Iraq. K, along with J, is one of the typical Neolithic farmer haplogroups. K is also found in ancient Indo-European populations (e.g. Bronze-age Russia or Central Asia where R1a1 was found), which indicates that Indo-Europeans probably took wives among their southern neighbours.
    J1 mt came to Scandinavia from the Caucasus if you want the " near east " ... J mt is Indo Aryan found in the Kalash people and in Sweden Norway Finland we can say J1 is viking yes no doubt . That story that IE took wives among their southern neighbors is completely false
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    J1b1, J1a, J1c and subclades of J2 and T2b are considered Nordic.
    Yes Semitic definitively right ! this mt haplogroup is also found in the Kalash people who is from an Indo Aryan stock .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    K1c2 , J1b1 , T3 are considered Germanic.
    Don't forget J1c mt who is Germanic - Nordic

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    Well here's an interesting link from PLoS One:

    Genetic Diversity among Ancient Nordic Populations
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2912848/

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    Table 1

    Individual Coding sequence HVR-1 region nt16064–16405 Haplogroup
    D1 7028T, 12308G 16356C U4
    D2 7028T, 12308G 16114A, 16192T, 16256T, 16270T, 16294T U5a
    Bt1 7028T, 12308G 16179T, 16356C U4

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    Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Neolithic site Damsbo (4,200 YBP) and the Early Bronze Age site Bredtoftegård (3,300–3,500 YBP).
    D1 and D2, Damsbo; Bt1, Bredtoftegård.

    Table 2

    Individual Coding sequence HVR-1 region nt 16064–16405 Haplogroup
    B1 7028T, 10034C 16129A, 16223T, 16391A I
    B2 7028T 16126C, 16355T, 16362C R0a
    B3 7028T, 12308G 16129C, 16183C, 16189C, 16362C U2e
    B4 7028C CRS H
    B5 7028T, 10034C 16129A, 16223T, 16304C, 16391A I
    B6 7028C CRS H
    B7 7028T, 12308G 16074G, 16189C, 16192T, 16249C, 16270T U5b
    Si2 7028C 16189C H
    Si4 7028C 16172C, 16311C H
    Si5 7028T, 10034C 16129A, 16223T, 16391A I
    Si6 7028C 16093C, 16221T H
    Si8 7028T, 12308G 16192T, 16270T, 16304C U5b
    Si9 7028T, 15607G 16126C, 16294T, 16296T, 16304C, 16362C T2b
    S1 7028T, 13708A 16069T, 16126C J
    S2 7028T, 12308G 16224C, 16311C K
    S3 7028C 16304C H
    S4 7028C 16311C H
    S5 7028C 16162G, 16266T, 16319A H
    S6 7028C 16299G H
    S7 7028T, 4580A 16298C V
    S9 7028T, 13708A 16069T, 16093C, 16126C J
    S11 7028T, 12308G 16093C, 16224C, 16311C K
    S13 7028T, 12308G 16343G, 16390A U3a
    S14 7028C 16263C, 16319A H

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    Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Roman Iron Age sites Bøgebjerggård (AD 1–400), Simonsborg (AD 1–200) and Skovgaarde (AD 200–400).
    B1–B7, Bøgebjerggård; Si1–Si9, Simonsborg; S1–S14, Skovgaarde.

    Table 3

    Individual Coding sequence HVR-1 region nt 16064–16405 Haplogroup
    G1 7028T, 12308G 16126C, 16224C, 16311C, 16320T K
    G2 7028C 16278T H
    G3 7028C 16093C, 16212G, 16222T, 16255A H
    G4 7028C 16213A H
    G5 7028T, 12308G 16256T, 16270T, 16399G U5a
    G6 7028T, 10034C 16129A, 16223T, 16391A I
    G7 7028T, 14470C, 8705C 16189C, 16223T, 16255A, 16278T X2
    G8 7028C 16174T H
    G9 7028T, 15607G 16126C, 16294T, 16296T, 16304C T2
    G10 7028C 16172C, 16304C H
    G11 7028T, 12308G 16172C, 16256T, 16399G U5a
    K1 7028T, 12308G 16189C, 16318T U7
    K2 7028T 16129A, 16223T, 16391A I
    K3 7028T 16069T, 16126C J
    K4 7028T 16126C, 16174T, 16266T, 16294T, 16304C T
    K5 7028C CRS H
    K6 7028C 16221T H
    K7 7028T 16129A, 16223T, 16391A I
    K8 7028C 16129A, 16316G, 16360T H
    R1 7028T, 15607G 16126C, 16153A, 16294T T2
    R2 7028T, 12308G 16093C, 16224C, 16311C, 16319A K
    R3 7028T, 13708A 16069T, 16126C J
    R5 7028C 16261T, 16296T, 16304C H
    R6 7028T, 12705T 16147A, 16172C, 16195C, 16223T, 16248T, 16320T, 16355T N1a
    R9 7028C rCRS H
    R10 7028T, 13708A 16069T, 16126C J
    R11 7028T, 13708A 16069T, 16126C, 16256T J
    R12 7028T, 10034C 12129A, 16223T, 16391A I
    R13 7028T, 12308G 16189C, 16192T, 16270T, 16398A U5b

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    Tabel 3. Nucleotide substitutions and mtDNA haplogroups assigned for individuals from the Viking Age burial sites Galgedil (AD 1000), the Christian cemetery Kongemarken (AD 1000–1250) and the medieval cemetery Riisby (AD 1250–1450).
    G1–G11, Galgedil; K1–K8, Kongemarken; R1–R13, Riisby.

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    Just out of curiousity, do any of you know who may have brought T2B into Iberia? like what tribe/group of people may have done so?

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    J1c is Germanic-Nordic? Mine is Irish-Celtic. Hey, maybe one stowed away in a Viking ship and made it to Waterford...would explain why my mother's maternal grandmother was such a light blonde.

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