Princess Zoe
Zoe needs to know.
- Messages
- 15
- Reaction score
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- Points
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- Location
- Seattle, Washington
- Ethnic group
- French Canadian
- Y-DNA haplogroup
- I-S31*
- mtDNA haplogroup
- U3a
Dad’s Y-DNA
Where did the missing markers go?
It’s a long story.
First I had the 12 marker done at FTDNA from a sample from my brother.
I expected this to be simple, probably an R1a, most common in Europe, French Canadian background. No problem, end of story...not so.
I get the results of the 12 makers, just numbers, makes no sense to me, till I find Whit Athey’s Haplogroup Predictor. Ok, this will be great...not so. Results show 70% favor I2a1, 30% R1a. Oh no, now what’s a girl to do?:sad-2:
So I sign up to “DNA-Forum” and post the results for general discussion. If you are familiar with this group, you know who the players are.
So we get from ilmari, Aug 27, 2009:
“12 markers is not very telling. It is telling that he has zero 12/12 matches.
I find it "interesting" that there is also a 10/12 "C" from Kazakhstan. I would suggest upgrading to 67 marker.”
Igmayka responds Aug 27, 2009
"I re-ran Zoe's haplotype with Athey's (beta-test) 23-haplogroup predictor.
If you enter Zoe's 10 YHRD markers into that database, it finds exactly one match: in Beijing! To be fair, YHRD does not consider either DYS426 or DYS388, which are the two crucial markers in this very unusual case. And frankly, I don't know why Athey's predictor gives such a high fitness score to C3. As far as I can tell, C3 is just as "insistent" on an 11 at DYS426 as I2a1 is."
In the meantime, FTDNA is doing FREE SNP testing! Results of SNP testing is Haplogroup I but not I2a and not I2b. What? etrified:
Now I order the 67 marker. They are dragging this out so they send me the results piecemeal, one panel at a time, joy.
I get the results of the second panel, markers 13-25, my friends on DNA-Forum are now predicting I2*.
With the next panel (we have switched to using Cullen’s Haplogroup Predictor) we come up with 100% I-S31*-B cluster (joy).
I am still waiting for Panel 4 (48-60) and Panel 4 (61-67).
BULLETIN: THERE IS A DELAY IN TESTING, YOU HAVE MISSING MARKERS (NULL VALUES)
Now we wait some more while they re-test the 2 missing markers...
Anyone have a clue to this? With missing markers (null) will this still be in I-S31*-B cluster or something else? I may have to be in a group by myself, I am not going to have any friends, I mean cousins...:shocked:
I have a few other questions, maybe not so complicated. I started all this DNA testing as a result of doing my family tree. As such, it is traced to Quebec and Nova Scotia, out of Normandy, France. I mean ALL of them. They must have come over here by the boat loads. I have traced the family to Henry I, William the Conqueror, and Rollo the Viking (which is all the same). I actually don’t put much stock in this stuff because I am borrowing most of my family tree from others work...there are some Kings Daughters, much interbreeding...:useless:
So does anyone know the Y-DNA haplogroup of King Henry I, William...
Princess Zoe
Where did the missing markers go?
It’s a long story.
First I had the 12 marker done at FTDNA from a sample from my brother.
I expected this to be simple, probably an R1a, most common in Europe, French Canadian background. No problem, end of story...not so.
I get the results of the 12 makers, just numbers, makes no sense to me, till I find Whit Athey’s Haplogroup Predictor. Ok, this will be great...not so. Results show 70% favor I2a1, 30% R1a. Oh no, now what’s a girl to do?:sad-2:
So I sign up to “DNA-Forum” and post the results for general discussion. If you are familiar with this group, you know who the players are.
So we get from ilmari, Aug 27, 2009:
“12 markers is not very telling. It is telling that he has zero 12/12 matches.
I find it "interesting" that there is also a 10/12 "C" from Kazakhstan. I would suggest upgrading to 67 marker.”
Igmayka responds Aug 27, 2009
"I re-ran Zoe's haplotype with Athey's (beta-test) 23-haplogroup predictor.
If you enter Zoe's 10 YHRD markers into that database, it finds exactly one match: in Beijing! To be fair, YHRD does not consider either DYS426 or DYS388, which are the two crucial markers in this very unusual case. And frankly, I don't know why Athey's predictor gives such a high fitness score to C3. As far as I can tell, C3 is just as "insistent" on an 11 at DYS426 as I2a1 is."
In the meantime, FTDNA is doing FREE SNP testing! Results of SNP testing is Haplogroup I but not I2a and not I2b. What? etrified:
Now I order the 67 marker. They are dragging this out so they send me the results piecemeal, one panel at a time, joy.
I get the results of the second panel, markers 13-25, my friends on DNA-Forum are now predicting I2*.
With the next panel (we have switched to using Cullen’s Haplogroup Predictor) we come up with 100% I-S31*-B cluster (joy).
I am still waiting for Panel 4 (48-60) and Panel 4 (61-67).
BULLETIN: THERE IS A DELAY IN TESTING, YOU HAVE MISSING MARKERS (NULL VALUES)
Now we wait some more while they re-test the 2 missing markers...
Anyone have a clue to this? With missing markers (null) will this still be in I-S31*-B cluster or something else? I may have to be in a group by myself, I am not going to have any friends, I mean cousins...:shocked:
I have a few other questions, maybe not so complicated. I started all this DNA testing as a result of doing my family tree. As such, it is traced to Quebec and Nova Scotia, out of Normandy, France. I mean ALL of them. They must have come over here by the boat loads. I have traced the family to Henry I, William the Conqueror, and Rollo the Viking (which is all the same). I actually don’t put much stock in this stuff because I am borrowing most of my family tree from others work...there are some Kings Daughters, much interbreeding...:useless:
So does anyone know the Y-DNA haplogroup of King Henry I, William...
Princess Zoe