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    Bosnians/ ethnic groups there

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    In the Serb and Croat genes thread below this one you told me that bosnians are actually much closer to croats than they are to Serbs and that there is no difference between the three ethnic groups in bosnia I would like to state otherwise according to some things. First your haplogroups for Bosnia, Croatia, and Serbia

    Bosnia
    2.5
    50
    0.5
    13.5
    4
    2
    6
    1
    14.5
    2.5
    0
    0


    Croatia
    8
    42
    1
    29
    8
    1
    3.5
    0
    6
    1.5
    0
    0


    Serbia
    2
    29
    4
    15
    7
    1
    10
    1
    24
    7
    0
    0


    Now if we add up the lowest haplgorup percentage for each country i assume we get % similarity or who similar or not they are.

    Croats to bosnians similarity 74.5%

    Serbs to Bosnians similarity 74%

    Dont understand how bosnians are much more similar to croats as you had stated before. Difference in similarity between Serbs and bosnians and bosnians and croats is only 0.5% i dont consider that much.

    Now the second thing in regards to all three ethnicites being the same. your source says otherwise.as you see considerable difference between I and E values amoung bosnia's three ethnic groups. bosnian Serbs are significantly closer to Serbs than the bosnian average is so to speak. Bosnians Serbs are closer to Serbs than they are to either bosniaks or bosnian croats.

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    That's not how you should count. Try grouping the haplogroups by origin.

    Paleolithic European haplogroups (I1, I2a, I2b) :

    Croatia = 51%
    Bosnia = 53%
    Serbia = 35%

    Near-Eastern haplogroups (E, J, T) :

    Croatia = 11%
    Bosnia = 24%
    Serbia = 42%

    Indo-European/Caucasian haplogroups (G2a, R1a, R1b)

    Croatia = 38%
    Bosnia = 19.5%
    Serbia = 23%


    The dominant category is Paleolithic for both Croatia and Bosnia, but Near-East for Serbia. Croatia has more Indo-European lineages than Bosnia though.

    Note that the data you copied if for Bosnia-Herzegovina, not for ethnic Bosniaks only. It also includes ethnic Serbs and Croats living in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
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    Good job!

    Maciamo, you know by chance which was the genetic makeup (in haplogroups) of pre-Roman Italy?

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    serbia is more near eastern of the 3 but not as much as albania and greeks obviously

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    well, Serbia falls much more with Albania and Greece speaking of Near Eastern Lineages.
    Croatia has Near Eastern genes as much as Netherlands,and Bosnia(without Bosnian Serbs) could almost fall in that group as well,although they show more tendencies towards 'classic Balkan DNA' than Croatia.

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    Croatia is much more Paleolithic than its neighbors.

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    Except Bosnia-Herzegovina,of course.

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    Maciamo, please refrain from using nomenclature that does not properly address the distinct divergence of genotypes found in Herceg-Bosna. The Croatian lineage is highly correlated with lower portions of Dalmatia - of which, both show divergence from northern Croatia. Reproductive isolation from geographic boundaries should not be dismissed when trying to understand genetics. Rather, you are purporting a flawed methodology of boundary analysis. Croatians in Herceg-Bosna are Croatian. The analysis of the country that disregards addressing the differences within sub-populations has no value in attempting to understand those populations. This type of analysis is scientifically imprudent and not worth-becoming of someone who wishes to be taken seriously when discussion genetic differences.



    Herceg-Bosni:

    Paleolithic European haplogroups (I1, I2a, I2b) :
    Croats = 73.3%
    Bosnia = 50.1%
    Serbs = 40.8%

    Near-Eastern haplogroups (E, J, T) :
    Croats = 11.1%
    Bosnians = 27.5%
    Serbs = 29.7%

    Indo-European/Caucasian haplogroups (G2a, R1a, R1b)
    Croats = 15.5%
    Bosnians = 19.1%
    Serbs = 19.8%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambria Red View Post
    Croatia is much more Paleolithic than its neighbors.
    Coon actually noted UP strain in Montenegro,as can be seen on his map:http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troemap9.jpg

    however,he didn't pay much attention on Herzegovina,which is at least UP as Montenegro,and Bosnia and Dalmatia,where UP is also very strong,maybe not as exactly much the first two,but more than enough to register it.But we can't blame him,since he needed to fill his map,and therefore he rather used his imagination than scientific studies,in his characteristical fashion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joro View Post
    Coon actually noted UP strain in Montenegro,as can be seen on his map:http://carnby.altervista.org/immagini/troemap9.jpg

    however,he didn't pay much attention on Herzegovina,which is at least UP as Montenegro,and Bosnia and Dalmatia,where UP is also very strong,maybe not as exactly much the first two,but more than enough to register it.But we can't blame him,since he needed to fill his map,and therefore he rather used his imagination than scientific studies,in his characteristical fashion
    Too right, Joro...

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    Yes I agree that Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina have a strong UP presence. Also they have a distinct Borreby admix that is very unusually placed as the only other regions where such a phenotype predominates is in North Germany, Denmark, Iceland and Norway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogers View Post
    Yes I agree that Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina have a strong UP presence. Also they have a distinct Borreby admix that is very unusually placed as the only other regions where such a phenotype predominates is in North Germany, Denmark, Iceland and Norway.
    I am a CM too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iadera56 View Post
    I am a CM too
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    Bosnians are Illyrians they have 50% of I2a (Illyrian)
    and the Name Bosnia is real ancient Illyrian Name BOSONA.

    The Propaganda of our Neighbourgs is Fall,
    we are not Serbs and not Croats we are Bosnians
    and the Bosnian christians are Bosnians too but they
    are victims of the centauryold Propaganda of our Neighbourgs
    and the DNA Tests have shown that all Bosnians are very Similar
    and more similar than with croatia or Serbia.

    The Truth will EVER Win

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    in 1991 john wilks (Wilkes is the foremost LIVING authority on the Illyrians) said that bosnians are of illyrian decend. ten years after ALBANIAN accademics agreed with him: Kaplan Resuli, Fatos Lubonja, Ardian Qosi and Ardian Vebiu also other experts worlwide like: Paul, Hirt, Weigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Pushcariu and many others. And then we got the genetic facts from Igenea, genograpic and familytreedna.

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    Maciamo, could you please somehow take care of these spamming posts?

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    Spaming Posts???

    I think you are a Spamer with your more than Funny comments.

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    lol, yeh, Joro is a guardian of purity and uniqueness of Croatia. You're messing up his point of view. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bosna501 View Post
    Spaming Posts???

    I think you are a Spamer with your more than Funny comments.
    please, do us a favor and stop vandalizing this noble forum.
    It's not my fault you Muslims are so lost and frustrated.

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    Muslims oh man have you a Islamophobia???

    This is a Genticly and not a Religious Forum.

    Hey Joro you are a Joke with really big Complexes
    accept the reality its better, your Propagandamachine is a Ruin.

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    Croat or Hrvat is a Persian/Iranic Word or Tribe thats never be a nativ
    balkanic People your Homeland is not Balkan and you have no more rights than Bosnians on this Region. Bosnians are the real nativ Balkan People and your
    Propaganda tried to hide it for centuries.

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    "Serb" in the language Bizantinaca is the word that means "slaves", and that language is usually word "serbula" means the shoes of slaves, and the word "tzerboulianous" means those who wear cheap,shoes of the poor . The Serbs were given the name because they have become slaves of the emperor Bizantinaca.

    SERBS DONT EXISTS SERBS LIVES ONLY FROM STEELING AND COPYD FROM OTHERS ! ! !

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    The Bosnian Simbol the Golden Lily
    is a ancient bosnian Simbol
    they are archeological founds in bosnia older than 2000 Years with lily simbols.
    The bosnian Lily are exist only in Bosnia
    is calles international.
    LILIUM BOSNIACUM and not Lilium Croaticum or Lilium Serbiacum.

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    Ancient Names of Bosnia

    Bathinus, Bosthicus, Bostoensis, Bosona, Bissena, Bessena, Bosonium Bosnae and today Bosnia.

    Serbia is byzantin Servia = Land of Slave

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    Dezitijati, Liburni, Autarijati, Mezeji, Ardani, Labodi, Daorsi, this is only some off Iliryans tribes that lived in Bosnia...

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