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Thread: With what ancient ethnicity do you most identify, and what has DNA told you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamakore View Post
    My ancient ancestors were such a diverse bunch. How can I characterize my billions of genetic ancestors with just one ancient ethnicity label?

    Lower Rhine Bell Beaker might cover the majority of my ancient European ancestors in the 3rd millennium BC, but DNA tells me that Bell Beakers were themselves derived from earlier ancient populations. Three major components were WHG, Anatolian Neolithic and Yamnaya. In turn, Yamnaya were made up of EHG and CHG. Both EHG and CHG had a substantial ANE component. So it seems many ancient ethnicities were nested within other ancient ethnicities.

    I could choose ANE to represent the source of Y haplogroup R* and pre-PIE (proto-Eurasiatic). But then there is also Melanesian and indigenous Taiwanese, the two major ancient components of my Maori ancestry.

    Perhaps I should go really ancient and just identify as Simian.
    It's refreshing to see someone with your attitude.

    I have to remind myself of this sometimes. Yes, finding out that a lot of my ancestry is Latin and Greek "like" is what I had hoped to find, but there are no "pure" ethnic groups. You have to keep in mind the past admixtures which led to those groups, and accept all the ancestral groups which went into making you, "you".


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    When I started to get interested in this hobby, I did it because I liked the idea of ​​combining history and biological sciences, two subjects that always interested me. And when I did my DNA test, I did it for two reasons: to know how many and which non-European components I had (because I already knew the Europeans quite well), and also, what relationship could I have with my admired Romans. And I could see that, although I may have Roman ancestors, I can also have Celtic origins, due to my ancestors from northern Italy and also from the northwest of the Iberian Peninsula. And the surprises came from the side of Y-DNA and mtDNA. The Y-DNA was R1B U 106 (so my male ancestors may have contributed to the destruction of my admired Roman Empire), and the mtDNA was A2 (I thought all my Native American heritage came from my maternal grandfather's side). So 2000 years ago, while my maternal ancestors worshiped Tupá in the rainforest of central/southeastern South America, my male ancestors worshiped Odin in the forests of Germania...
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    I suppose it's strange for us Englishmen as prior to the 5th century, all of the history we learn is about Roman Britain, and before that Celtic Britain or the Neolithic Britain of Stonehenge, Avebury and Silbury Hill. We don't really focus on the ethnic aspect, otherwise I guess we'd lean more towards prehistoric Jutland and the Low Countries when it came to learning about the past

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    Quote Originally Posted by italouruguayan View Post
    When I started to get interested in this hobby, I did it because I liked the idea of ​​combining history and biological sciences, two subjects that always interested me. And when I did my DNA test, I did it for two reasons: to know how many and which non-European components I had (because I already knew the Europeans quite well), and also, what relationship could I have with my admired Romans. And I could see that, although I may have Roman ancestors, I can also have Celtic origins, due to my ancestors from northern Italy and also from the northwest of the Iberian Peninsula. And the surprises came from the side of Y-DNA and mtDNA. The Y-DNA was R1B U 106 (so my male ancestors may have contributed to the destruction of my admired Roman Empire), and the mtDNA was A2 (I thought all my Native American heritage came from my maternal grandfather's side). So 2000 years ago, while my maternal ancestors worshiped Tupá in the rainforest of central/southeastern South America, my male ancestors worshiped Odin in the forests of Germania...
    Fascinating, isn't it? Like you, I admired the Roman Empire, and before that I admired the ancient Greeks and the Minoans. I find I am indeed descended from Latins and ancient Greeks.

    I was not a big fan of the Indo-Europeans, but I found out that my father carried yDna U-152, and I'm mtDna U2e1, which are both steppe lineages. I learned that the Italics carried steppe ancestry, and so did the Celt-Ligurians from whom I'm also descended.

    So, there you go; I definitely have steppe ancestry autosomally, but in addition, both the uniparentals of my ancestors come from the steppe.

    This research definitely broadens your view of your own ancestry and of history or pre-history itself.

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    I identify with native Bronze Age Apulians:



    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...072v1.full.pdf


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    Distance to: Torziok12b
    3.58079600 Burgweinting–Nord-West_II_(ADH)_388-532calADA_Female:NW54:Veeramah_2018
    4.26423498 I3593:Olalde_2018
    4.63928874 C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity:R105:Antonio_2019
    4.73068705 Hungary_BA:I7041:Olalde_2018
    4.82277928 Collegno23:Amorim_2018
    4.85309180 Croatia_EMBA:I4331:Mathieson_2018
    4.90795273 Etruscan_IA:R474:Antonio_2019
    4.94308608 Protovillanovan_IA:R1:Antonio_2019
    4.95979838 C7-Mausole_di_Augusto_Late_Antiquity:R33:Antonio_2019
    4.99818967 I7040:Olalde_2018
    5.02880702 Croatia_EMBA:I4332:Mathieson_2018
    5.14056417 ORD001_Daunian_WGSEv3
    5.71485783 I5017:Olalde_2018
    5.89447199 La_Tène_IA:ERS88:Brunel_2020
    5.93363295 Beaker_Central_Europe:E09538:Olalde_2018
    6.00532264 Szolad28:Amorim_2018
    6.35530487 VK538_Foggia_Puglia_Italy
    6.53401102 ORD009_Daunian_WGSEv3
    6.59958332 Beaker_Central_Europe:I4885:Olalde_2018
    6.60955369 Collegno49:Amorim_2018
    6.63158352 Hungary_BA:I7043:Olalde_2018
    6.67385945 MOK13:Zegarac_2021
    6.71792379 Hallstatt_C-Early_La_Tène_IA:NOR3-15:Brunel_2020
    6.78342097 Helladic_Logkas_MBA:Log04:Clemente_2021
    6.88000000 Vucedol:I3499:Mathieson_2018


    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 0.4785% / 0.47853295 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    48.3 Hungary_BA
    27.1 Szolad27
    13.7 Burgweinting–Nord-West_II_(ADH)_388-532calADA_Female
    5.9 NE_Iberia_RomP
    5.0 C7-Crypta_Balbi_Late_Antiquity
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

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    Not a simple straight forward answer. I'm as pure of a Finn as one can be. I would like to think I'm also fairly knowledgeable in Nordic and in general European history. So based on what I know, what the culture around me is, where I live, the language I speak, the information I have about my genetics and the experiences I have had I would identify with more than one ethnic group and with every one of them in different ways. Because I am European, I feel a connection to the ancient Greeks and Romans but I probably don't share many quite recent ancestors with them. Because I have a mixed ancestry of the many Finnish tribes, my known family tree is not developed enough and I'm an urbanite, I don't have a strong regional identity inside the borders of my country but I feel an affinity towards Finland proper. So I would gravitate towards identifying with the people who gave their name to my country, suomalaiset. But I also have a strong feel of Nordic brotherhood (despite the many wars my people fought against other Nordics, mainly the Danes). So I somewhat feel like the Vikings (not really ancient but very old) weren't that foreign (there's at least one famous archeologist who advocates for a theory that what are now called Finns and Estonians were also Vikings but that's besides the point of this post) but more strongly feel a connection to the Swedes (of the old) because, despite what some Finnish nationalists think or say, they are our big brother nation. Without the Swedes (maybe not ancient but old), Finnish identity would be quite different than what it is now.

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    Romans, and even further back the Anatolian Farmers which is why even distinct genetic south euro groups look very similar at times phenotypically. Portuguese all the way to Greece and even into Turkey etc.

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    Culturally, I feel closest to the Romans, being a Spaniard myself. Genetically, I am Celto-Iberian with some Germanic input. My haplogroup is I1 for what it's worth, and any Gedmatch Oracle calculator gives me a quarter either South German, Germanic mixed, English from Kent or even Lithuanian.

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    I find that my beliefs I have previously stated have been affirmed.

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    Modeled as 2.7 : 7.3 ratio of Yamnaya (minority)-Minoan (substratum). With Yamnaya paternal and maternal-linages.




    Haplogroup H2b, H6a1b, H13a1a1a and many other undetermined H subclades (including many probable H1 and H5) turned up among the mtDNA samples from the Yamna culture, which occupied the Pontic-Caspian Steppe during the Early Bronze Age. The Corded Ware culture, which is associated with the expansion of Y-haplogroup R1a from the steppes to Central Europe and Scandinavia, yielded samples belonging to H1ca1, H2a1, H4a1, H5a1, H6a1a and H10e. Ancient DNA from the Catacomb culture, strongly associated with Y-haplogroup R1a, yielded samples belonging to H1, H2a1 and H6. The Unetice culture, which is thought to mark the arrival of R1b in Central Europe (but overlapping with the previous R1a expansion), had individuals belonging to H2a1a3, H3, H4a1a1a2, H7h, H11a, H82a. Haplogroup H5a was found in the Cucuteni-Trypillian culture and most probably entered the Steppe gene pool by intermarriage.


    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml

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    Illyrians, Ancient Macedonians

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    Honestly, I don't even know what to believe anymore with these DNA tests, especially the ancient ones. The further back you go, the more of everything we all are, so ultimately it's a matter of choice and whatever you feel the most cultural connection with. I guess I feel a vague sense of connection with Orthodox and Byzantine culture in southeast Europe, as well as native ancient peoples. Though my paternal line goes to Yamnaya, saying you feel a connection to Indo Europeans feels silly to me since that's such a broad category, and the original ones were so long ago

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    I am most closely related to the ancient ethnicity of Scandinavia. My DNA results revealed that I have a high percentage of Viking DNA, which is not surprising given my Swedish heritage. What was surprising, however, was the amount of British and Irish DNA that I have. Apparently, my ancestors were quite adventurous! I also have a small amount of Italian DNA, which may explain my love of pasta))

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    DNA testing has informed me that I am more masculine than most people. Maybe that's why I come across as a little intense, sometimes. I also believe it plays into my political orientation. The result comes from Nebula, for my 30x WGS sample.

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    An umap (Ph2ter) with the most recent publishes Saxon samples, I'm in the middle of the original "Saxon cluster" (red just above the word germanic).

    I guess this is pretty accurate with my ancestry, the outmost North Dutch are a kind of "original Anglo-Saxon jurassic park". ;)

    I identify myself with the 'free minded seafaring culture' the Anglo-Danish aka Saxons had...


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