With what ancient ethnicity do you most identify, and what has DNA told you ?

[Carlitos]

Hi, again, this is my first post, so I will say hello to everyone.

I realized genetic testing and my results were due to DNA and Hamit, meditate Canaanite (Phoenician) and mitochondrial DNA Celta (Europe)

[Semitic Duwa]

^^I identify with Amorite tribes based on my Y-DNA.

[Carlitos]

^^


Before genetic testing me I had always identified with the Tartessos. Although it is true that he felt a part of me was from some distant place, I even went through the mind a remote black ancestor, I also had the familiar feeling as finding the time and area in which Jesus lived.

Once I test I discover with surprise that DNA Y mitochondrial DNA Phoenician and Celtic. I have an ancestor on his mother's Portuguese who arrived in Spain on the 1860 or so, so I have their mitochondrial DNA, their surnames were Figueira Ardila, a Portuguese in another forum told me that it is likely that these names belonged to the Portuguese Alentejo.

[Semitic Duwa]

It seems that I know about you.....:)

[Carlitos]

^^

Yes, yes, yes

[Cambrius (The Red)]

I identify with the Gallaecian Celts, specifically.

[Gusar]

Europe is an ethnic melting pot. Well, let's not exaggerate. Europeans are genetically among the most homogeneous racial group. Indians, South-East Asians, Middle-Easterners, Central Asians and Africans all have greater genetic diversity than Europeans. But we were taught at school that Europe had a long history of invasions, wars, conquests and migrations. And it is true. What I am interested in here is how do Europeans see themselves. To put it differently, when you read a history book, who do you identify as your ancestors ?

The question also depends a bit on what is meant by ancient. In European context I found one definition which defines "ancient" as being before the collapse of the Western Roman Empire in 476 ad. My people (the Serbs) are one of the oldest ethnicities in Europe. Our name safely exists as an ethnonym from about the 7th century though there are theories which point to it existing earlier such as the name of a Sarmatian tribe mentioned in the 1st century by Pliny the Elder. In any case I feel that my people are definitely one of the oldest continuous ethnicities in Europe so I feel we are in some way ancient as it is. Our ethnogenisis is comprised of a mix of slavic peoples and autochthonous Balkan peoples such as the Illyrians and Thracians. As it stands, it's really a debate of how much of each (slavic or Balkan) contributes to our ethnogenesis. In any case I personally feel highly connected to all slavic peoples but also to those of antiquity since culturally it's pretty well established that some Serbian customs descend from slavic Pagan beliefs... so I definitely feel most highly connected to early slavic peoples rather than Balkan peoples past or present. There even exists a theory that teh Serbian ethnonym was the original name for slavs and I think there is some merit to it.

[julia90]

I identify myself with Etruscans and ancient Romans.
As far as genetic researches Tuscans are placed between Northern Italians and Southern Italians, they are considered "mediterranean" south europeans.

a genetic reaserach shows that Tuscans areabout 1/3 of asiaminor/neolithic mediterranean derivation; for two 2/3 they share genes with other europeans

[Wilhelm]

I identify myself with Etruscans and ancient Romans.
As far as genetic researches Tuscans are placed between Northern Italians and Southern Italians, they are considered "mediterranean" south europeans.

a genetic reaserach shows that Tuscans areabout 1/3 of asiaminor/neolithic mediterranean derivation; for two 2/3 they share genes with other europeans

That's strange. In all the Tuscan studies they are far more than 2/3 european:

[julia90]

well, based on that map you are right but i was referring to this genetic research:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/09...t-al-2010.html
look on the table and the percentages

[Wilhelm]

well, based on that map you are right but i was referring to this genetic research:
http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/09...t-al-2010.html
look on the table and the percentages

Yes, but the component I means "West Asian" which is very unclear..

[Carlitos]

I identify with Tartessos. The Phoenicians and the Celts had much to do in Tartessos and those are my two genetic lineages.

[Taranis]

I identify with Tartessos. The Phoenicians and the Celts had much to do in Tartessos and those are my two genetic lineages.

Frankly, in my opinion (you may have noticed that from the other thread) I don't think that there were any Celts in Tartessos. At least not by the time that Tartessos flourished and the Tartessian inscriptions of the Algarve were written.

In my opinion, Tartessos was either Iberian-speaking (which means the inscriptions of the Algarve were not actually made by the Tartessians), or it spoke an other, non-Indo-European language (the language from the "Tartessian" inscriptions). Either way, the descendants of the Tartessians were celticized only centuries later.

[Carlitos]

You, wrong, I'm telling you, I'm Tartesso, time and research will give me the reason, besides all the great hitori of all time, I'm Tartesso, I notice it, sorry, at some point in my history lineage belonged to the realm of Tartessos.

[^ lynx ^]

Just for the record: Ignore the troll.

[iodalach_draiodoir]

Hi, this is my first post and I couldn't find any thread to introduce myself. I was born and live in Rio, Brazil and have roots in Northern Italy (Trento, Verona, Belluno, Vicenza, Pistoia, Como, Pordenone), in Germany (Niedersachsen, former Kingdom of Hannover; Rheinland-Pfalz, former Rheinhesse in the Grand-Duchy of Hesse-Darmstadt; Württemberg), in France (Nevers, Burgundy), in Portugal (Bragança, Braga, Viseu, Coimbra, Lisboa, Minho, Algarve) and in native americans (Guarani, Kaingang and Xokleng people from South Brazil) and afro-brazilians. A melting pot of races...:)

Sometime ago I did my Y-DNA test and discovered I am a R-U106. The most ancient ancestor in male line I know was Simone Zeni, born c. 1794 in Brentonico, Trento. Anyway, notices from Brentonico say that Zeni family came from Verona in 17th century, and this surname is due to devotion to Saint Zeno, a bishop of Verona in 7th century.

Answering to the thread question, well I most identify to celts and my DNA is confused about it :) It seems to me there is a doubt about R-U106; I still don't know if they are mostly like to be rhaetians, celts or a kind of viking's ancestor who stopped in the Alps. Any help would be appreciated.

[iodalach_draiodoir]

Anyway, I have surely autossomal celtic gens... Northern Portugal is almost exclusively of celt origin, as well as South Germany. As I already told you, I am a melting pot...vikings, celts, visigoths and etruscans are surely in my ancestry.

[Carlitos]

Anyway, I have surely autossomal celtic gens... Northern Portugal is almost exclusively of celt origin, as well as South Germany. As I already told you, I am a melting pot...vikings, celts, visigoths and etruscans are surely in my ancestry.

As you can see from this map, not just the north of Portugal can be accused of being a Celtic.



Red Celts who specifically cited the ancients.

[Taranis]

Both maps ignore the existence of Lusitanian as a separate (non-Celtic but nonetheless Indo-European) language. Also, the maps (especially the second one) is somewhat anachronistic.

Also, the Celtici aren't ancient. They probably arrive in Baetica only after approximately the 4th century BC.

[Carlitos]

^

Others say the V BC, others speak of proto-Celtic presence, there is no uniformity on the subject.

[iodalach_draiodoir]

Not planning to feed the troll, but I've never said only Northern Portugal had celtic people. I just said it is undeniable it was home of celtic tribes, as well as Galiza. Period.

[Carlitos]

Not planning to feed the troll, but I've never said only Northern Portugal had celtic people. I just said it is undeniable it was home of celtic tribes, as well as Galiza. Period.

I note that in nothing is look at the maps and ignores the information of the ancients.
The Celts were everywhere.

[Norþman]

Hi everyone, Iv been reading comments on this board for a while now and think its a great place to gain knowledge of our ancestors , I'm from England , Nottingham ( yes yes Robin hood county i know lol). I'm looking forward to discussing many topics , I'm very fond of history and science and astronomy . There may be a formal introduction thread , but I'm to eager to start posting.

I would say i identify myself as being Anglo Saxon , But i know from my grandmothers side of the family were from wales, So my family might have Celtic blood as well . I'm dieing to get a DNA test done but its very costly, But I'm willing to get it done in the near future.

I would defiantly identify myself as being Saxon , And i think England as got a connection with scandinavia and north Germany , Because of the viking invasions and the Norman conquest. I say north Germany because that's where the Angles were from .

[Carlitos]

^^

Do not forget to Spain, the motherland, we can touch, do not bite. Why everyone wants to be Viking?, Hollywood is to blame.


"Robbin Hodd?, You'll see that you will have success, especially Spanish sewn questions you have seen a lot of films, you really have to acknowledge that England has sold very well their cartoons, all over the world there are stories, but support that has given the American cinema is unparalleled, Robin dozens of films for example, that everybody knows, any Spanish better than his own, perhaps more spectacular, there's nothing like the marketing.

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You know exactly how many Robin Hood films were made before yours, in addition to the popular versions of Kevin Costner and Errol Flynn?

More than fifty, for sure. In total I think there were 70 productions

http://digitalgroup.info/wordpress/?p=11180

[Norþman]

Hi there carlitos , I don't want to be Viking , The English are mostly made up of Anglo Saxon, and Viking in the north of England , I can't deny who my ancestors are . Robin the hood was a real man , There's caves in Nottingham That's been tunneled , That's were he and his merry men used to hide out . I know what your trying to say tho about Hollywood .

Hollywood exaggerate , its what they do.

Your right about England selling there stories , Its purely because the language as got a massive vocabulary, That's the beauty of the English language , god bless those Anglo Saxons .

Do you not like American cinema ?