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    Exclamation Some Stats From FTDNA's Ancestral Origins Database

    As of this morning, here are some interesting statistics from FTDNA's Ancestral Origins database regarding men who have been y-dna tested to at least 12 STR markers.

    British Isles Total = 53,261

    Western Europe Total = 27,548

    For Western Europe, I included the following countries:

    Austria; Belgium; Czech Republic; Denmark; France; Germany; Italy; Netherlands; Norway; Portugal; Spain; Sweden, and Switzerland.

    Here are the separate totals for each country, beginning with the British Isles:

    England = 20,461

    Scotland = 9,514

    Wales = 1,713

    Northern Ireland = 607

    United Kingdom = 9,077

    Ireland = 11,889

    Total = 53, 261



    Western Europe

    Austria = 519

    Belgium = 449

    Czech Republic = 547

    Denmark = 718

    France = 2,883

    Germany = 10,385

    Italy = 2,968

    Netherlands = 1,434

    Norway = 1,137

    Portugal = 670

    Spain = 2,919

    Sweden = 1,400

    Switzerland = 1,519

    Total = 27,548


    The overall total for all these countries together, including the nations of the British Isles, is 80,809.

    British Isles Proportion = 53,261/80,809 = 66%

    Western Europe Proportion = 27,548/80,809 = 34%

    Since my primary interest is R1b, I restricted myself to Western and Northern Europe and did not include Eastern and Southeastern Europe; but, honestly, I don't think including those regions would do much to reduce the overall preponderance of British samples in the Ancestral Origins database.

    Germany has the highest representation of any non-British Isles western European nation, yet England alone has almost twice as many entries as Germany, and little Ireland has over 1,500 more entries than Germany.

    I think it is essential to keep these figures in mind when considering the European origins of any haplogroup or subclade.

    Obviously, we need a lot more samples from men of continental European origin.

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    That's interesting. Belgium is the country with the least FTDNA members. It has less members than countries with a similar or lower population like the Czech Republic, Austria, Switerland, Denmark, Sweden or Portugal. I think it is because many French speakers still regard genetic testing suspiciously.

    Proportionally to the total population France and Italy have the lowest number of members in Western Europe.
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    The popularity of people testing in Ireland may be a result of a TV programme called "Blood of the Irish" on the national broadcaster RTÉ. There have also been studies done in Trinity College by a Dr. Bradley on Irish ancestry which have been reported in the media, which may have tickled some peoples interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eireannach View Post
    The popularity of people testing in Ireland may be a result of a TV programme called "Blood of the Irish" on the national broadcaster RTÉ. There have also been studies done in Trinity College by a Dr. Bradley on Irish ancestry which have been reported in the media, which may have tickled some peoples interest.
    It's too bad that tv program and those studies jumped the gun and declared the Irish to be the descendants of "Spanish fishermen".

    Thus far not too much L21 has shown up in Iberia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    That's interesting. Belgium is the country with the least FTDNA members. It has less members than countries with a similar or lower population like the Czech Republic, Austria, Switerland, Denmark, Sweden or Portugal. I think it is because many French speakers still regard genetic testing suspiciously.

    Proportionally to the total population France and Italy have the lowest number of members in Western Europe.
    Yes, which makes the results we have from those countries all the more intriguing and valuable.

    Just think of the distorting effect of the fact that 2/3 of all the y-dna in FTDNA's database is of British Isles origin! That will affect R1b1b2 and its subclades even more than it does other haplogroups because the y-dna of the British Isles and Western Europe consists predominantly of various clades of R1b1b2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    It's too bad that tv program and those studies jumped the gun and declared the Irish to be the descendants of "Spanish fishermen".

    Thus far not too much L21 has shown up in Iberia.
    there hasn't been a deep L21 testing so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    there hasn't been a deep L21 testing so far
    That's not exactly true, but it depends on what you mean by "deep". There has been enough SNP testing of men of Iberian descent to detect a definite trend.

    More L21+ will turn up in Iberia, no doubt. On the other hand, I think R-L21 will still be relatively rare there when all is said and done.

    Just compare the numbers of other R1b1b2 clades (including R-P312*) to the amount of R-L21 in Iberia. The difference is significant.

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    Actually, I'm going to kind of reverse myself and say that I expect L21 to start showing up fairly frequently in the Iberian Peninsula. Just a hunch, I guess.

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    can i do send to ftdna the dna of my cat ? I would like to know his real origin .
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    Quote Originally Posted by willy View Post
    can i do send to ftdna the dna of my cat ? I would like to know his real origin .
    Why do you want to test a cat ? Do you have too much money ?

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    I want to test my cat because he has blue eyes and think he comes from the north India or from himalaya mountains he is a pure race Siamois .

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    I used RMS2's FTDNA Ancestral Origins data and I attempted to "normalize" the R-L21* distribution to account for the huge differences in DNA testing penetration by country.

    Keep in mind that the population of Germany is larger than all of the British Isles. The population of France is about the same as all of the British Isles.

    If you look at the proportion of the following R-L21* "hotspots" (we think) in the Isles and compare that with two countries on the continent where R-L21* is showing up in force here is what you get when normalized for testing rates and populations.

    Among the countries listed below, here is the total normalized population of R-L21* expected per country as a proportion of all of the below countries:

    Ireland 8% (of the total)

    Scotland 4%

    Wales 5%

    England 21% (so England is the biggest R-L21* country in the Isles)

    Germany 13%

    France 49% (that's right, France is large state that is under tested)

    In summary, of the above countries it is projected that 49% of all R-L21* found will be in France.

    I take this all with a grain of salt since the continental data is too low anyway. Perhaps more importantly, I think in large part the commercial databases reflect those who immigrated to the U.S.

    Notes:
    1) I included Northern Ireland under Ireland
    2) I used the data data RMS2 reported from the FTDNA Ancestral Origins database for total tested per country, 2001 population census estimates from Wikipedia and R-L21* confirmed folks in the project and the spreadsheet under "FILES" in the R-L21Plus Yahoo Group.

    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    As of this morning, here are some interesting statistics from FTDNA's Ancestral Origins database regarding men who have been y-dna tested to at least 12 STR markers.

    British Isles Total = 53,261

    Western Europe Total = 27,548

    For Western Europe, I included the following countries:

    Austria; Belgium; Czech Republic; Denmark; France; Germany; Italy; Netherlands; Norway; Portugal; Spain; Sweden, and Switzerland.

    Here are the separate totals for each country, beginning with the British Isles:

    England = 20,461

    Scotland = 9,514

    Wales = 1,713

    Northern Ireland = 607

    United Kingdom = 9,077

    Ireland = 11,889

    Total = 53, 261



    Western Europe

    Austria = 519

    Belgium = 449

    Czech Republic = 547

    Denmark = 718

    France = 2,883

    Germany = 10,385

    Italy = 2,968

    Netherlands = 1,434

    Norway = 1,137

    Portugal = 670

    Spain = 2,919

    Sweden = 1,400

    Switzerland = 1,519

    Total = 27,548


    The overall total for all these countries together, including the nations of the British Isles, is 80,809.

    British Isles Proportion = 53,261/80,809 = 66%

    Western Europe Proportion = 27,548/80,809 = 34%

    Since my primary interest is R1b, I restricted myself to Western and Northern Europe and did not include Eastern and Southeastern Europe; but, honestly, I don't think including those regions would do much to reduce the overall preponderance of British samples in the Ancestral Origins database.

    Germany has the highest representation of any non-British Isles western European nation, yet England alone has almost twice as many entries as Germany, and little Ireland has over 1,500 more entries than Germany.

    I think it is essential to keep these figures in mind when considering the European origins of any haplogroup or subclade.

    Obviously, we need a lot more samples from men of continental European origin.

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