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    Quote Originally Posted by iapodos View Post
    Joro, with all respect for your effort to be amateur forum historian, I shall not further discuss with you about origin of Serbs and Croats.

    What I want was to underline two important phrases in your statements above and it is most probably and there is a quite possibility. if you want to play historians you must give much more than that. Some credible source as you said. Otherwise it is all matter of your personal opinion, better said nationalistic opinion.
    And you didn't give any credible source, instead you are just ******** because you can't accept the historical sources which see Serbs as ordinary servants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    What are you 12 Joro. You behave like kid on a playground, ridiculing other kids just because they are different. We all know by now you don't like Serbs, but please, give people a chance!
    Look, i know you are insecure and you just love to try to humiliate others hiding under other's skirts, but try at least for once to grow up a bit and abstain from your childish performances, ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Can someone explain this. What Serbs are doing in Sachsen region? Was this the place they occupied before moving south, or they came here later from south. I think history of Serbs there is long, at least from 8th century AD.
    There is a mention that Serbs here are 63%R1a1

    There are some archeological traces which shows that Serbs before they split on northern and southern branch lived around nowadays Wien and Bratislava. From there they split and one branch goes south, the other one in region of today Eastern Germany. Profesor Jankovic from Belgrade university claimed that Serbs are clearly recognizable in archeological point of view, because both the Lusatian and Southern Serbs practised same burrial scheme.

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    oh, no...Serbian 'historians'...are those the ones who claim that Serbs are the oldest people in the world?
    give me some concrete sources about early Serbian history.
    Porphirogenetus,Priest Dioclean,Thomas Archdeacon...what??

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    who wants to have a little fun...

    http://www.1989history.eu/upload/1247826070.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joro View Post
    Look, i know you are insecure and you just love to try to humiliate others hiding under other's skirts, but try at least for once to grow up a bit and abstain from your childish performances, ok?
    This is it, your wisdom in full bloom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    This is it, your wisdom in full bloom.
    Good.May I ask you now to stop adressing to me?

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    You Croats in the old custom, as from 1942, when you marched with Hiller and when you killed us Jews and Serbs unfortunate ...




    I just do not understand, why moderators let you to spread your lies

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperium Romanorum View Post
    You Croats in the old custom, as from 1942, when you marched with Hiller and when you killed us Jews and Serbs unfortunate ...




    I just do not understand, why moderators let you to spread your lies
    Who is this? A Serb introducing himself as a Jew? very poor...
    In case you really are a Jew, maybe you should check which was the first bigger town in Europe that was declared 'Judenfrei'.

    So, when we lack evidence, we pretend to appear as Jews...

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    This discussion became something that has nothing to do with genetics. I suggest moderators to take some actions. We have one mad Croat in the air!

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    Well, i was just trying to clarify origin of Serbs a little bit, because the sources clearly show there is no much credibility in Sarmatian origin , nor for Serbs, nor for Croats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joro View Post
    Who is this? A Serb introducing himself as a Jew? very poor...
    In case you really are a Jew, maybe you should check which was the first bigger town in Europe that was declared 'Judenfrei'.

    So, when we lack evidence, we pretend to appear as Jews...

    Ok !

    Belgrade was a occupied city by the nazis from Germany and Croatia!
    German and Croats terrorized Serb and
    Jewish population..

    If you go to Yad Vashem you'll see that the Serbs have place among "Righteous Among the Nations" for rescue Jewish population..

    One way of saving the Jewish population was that the Serbian municipal government issued ID card with the Serbian name..

    Because of thet, Croatian and German Nazis thought the all Jews are killed..

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    Joro..
    You knowledge of historical facts are poor..
    The only thing that stands out in your posts is old Croat Ustasha policies toward other nations..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    The Samartians were not Slavic but Turkic speakers.
    I cannot understand this. According to wikipedia Sarmatians spoke Iranian:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scytho-Sarmatian_languages

    Anyway I may not be a genetic Expert but I hope I will find a way to make people consider a theory of Sarmatian connection with I2a2. I am getting more and more confident that there is a lot of sense in this assumption.

    And addressed to others - please stop posting this pointless stuff. This may be in the interest of both Croats and Serbs.
    Last edited by Shetop; 02-05-10 at 22:22. Reason: could be misinterpreted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperium Romanorum View Post
    Joro..
    You knowledge of historical facts are poor..
    The only thing that stands out in your posts is old Croat Ustasha policies toward other nations..
    Well, atleast I don't need multiple accounts to cover me up
    and I'm not Ustasha, I am a 'normal' person, and I respect Jews because i consider myself Christian.

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    Joro, look at first page of this thread. There was a nice discussion and exchange of ideas till you started posting. You barged here offended Serbs and from your first post onward you turned this thread into garbage. If this was your goal then congratulation, you did splendid job, spreading you "tolerance and respect" towards other nations. Stop attacking people and turning good threads into garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shetop View Post
    I cannot understand this. According to wikipedia Sarmatians spoke Iranian:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scytho-Sarmatian_languages

    Anyway I may not be a genetic Expert but I hope I will find a way to make people consider a theory of Sarmatian connection with I2a2. I am getting more and more confident that there is a lot of sense in this assumption.

    And please stop posting this pointless stuff. This may be in the interest of both Croats and Serbs.


    Pointless stuff


    If you think really, that Serb are Iranian...you have a problem...
    I2a is originally European...there is nowhere else traces of I2a...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Imperium Romanorum View Post


    Pointless stuff


    If you think really, that Serb are Iranian...you have a problem...
    I2a is originally European...there is nowhere else traces of I2a...

    And with your logic R1b is from Wales isn't it?

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    There is Iranian theory of serbian origin but till now there is not genetic evidence for that. Because the early serbian dinasties emerged from tribes ruling castes it would be interesting to know their DNA. Everything else is a pure speculation. My assumption, according to genetic data and historical documents is that nowadays dinaric Serbs are descendents of White Serbs who were also I2a2 and who came to Balkan in 7th century. So to be clear I am talking about specific groups of Serbs which formed serbian medievial state and not about all Serbian nation which have more complex ethnogenesis.

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    Pointless stuff was NOT adressed to Maciamo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joro View Post
    Well, atleast I don't need multiple accounts to cover me up
    and I'm not Ustasha, I am a 'normal' person, and I respect Jews because i consider myself Christian.

    You do not have respect for anyone..
    It's proved with your racist posts


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    Quote Originally Posted by iapodos View Post
    There is Iranian theory of serbian origin but till now there is not genetic evidence for that. Because the early serbian dinasties emerged from tribes ruling castes it would be interesting to know their DNA. Everything else is a pure speculation. My assumption, according to genetic data and historical documents is that nowadays dinaric Serbs are descendents of White Serbs who were also I2a2 and who came to Balkan in 7th century. So to be clear I am talking about specific groups of Serbs which formed serbian medievial state and not about all Serbian nation which have more complex ethnogenesis.
    They just spoke Iranian in that period. But half of Asia did at that time so this doesn't mean they are Iranian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Joro, look at first page of this thread. There was a nice discussion and exchange of ideas till you started posting. You barged here offended Serbs and from your first post onward you turned this thread into garbage. If this was your goal then congratulation, you did splendid job, spreading you "tolerance and respect" towards other nations. Stop attacking people and turning good threads into garbage.
    ok, my lady.will you please now calm down.

    You do not have respect for anyone..
    It's proved with your racist posts

    My racist posts?care to explain?

    I cannot understand this. According to wikipedia Sarmatians spoke Iranian:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scytho-Sarmatian_languages

    Anyway I may not be a genetic Expert but I hope I will find a way to make people consider a theory of Sarmatian connection with I2a2. I am getting more and more confident that there is a lot of sense in this assumption.

    And please stop posting this pointless stuff. This may be in the interest of both Croats and Serbs.
    I've read somewhere that Russian writers called Sarmatians Obri(Avars)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shetop View Post
    And with your logic R1b is from Wales isn't it?
    I did not understand..
    For I2a is proven to be Europian ..
    No Iranian, no Martians

    I am- יהודי אשכנז -Yehudei Ashkenaz , but i am I2a..
    Could you explain that with this Iranian theory...

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    I've read somewhere that Russian writers called Sarmatians Obri(Avars)
    Obri was the way how they called Avars, please be sure if you really read it.

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