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Haplogroup I2, I2a and I2a2 are very common among Kurdish people in North Iraq (Kurdistan) 17 % and Turkey (Kurdistan) 20%.
This haplogroup most likely originated in Middle East.
My assumption based on IJ haplogroup ( Proto-semitic ? ) as you know haplogroup IJ node has been inferred from the fact that certain mutations are shared in common among all Y-chromosomes belonging to the descendant haplogroups I and J. The lack of any examples of Haplogroup IJ belonging to neither Haplogroup I nor Haplogroup J complicates any attempt to deduce the geographical location where Haplogroup IJ first appeared; however, the fact that both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are found among modern populations of the Caucasus, Anatolia and Southwest Asia and IJ is still exists but it is very rareNo, it most likely originated in Europe. At least, that's where the highest diversity of every subclade discovered so far is. And it's highest in Central and Western Europe to boot.
IJ haplogroup ( Proto-semitic ? )
The lack of any examples of Haplogroup IJ belonging to neither Haplogroup I nor Haplogroup J complicates any attempt to deduce the geographical location where Haplogroup IJ first appeared; however, the fact that both Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J are found among modern populations of the Caucasus, Anatolia and Southwest Asia and IJ is still exists but it is very rare
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I*-M170 (oldest)
The composite subclade I contains individuals directly descended from the earliest members of Haplogroup I, bearing none of the subsequent mutations which identify the remaining named subclades.
Several haplogroup I-M170 individuals who do not fall in known subclades, with some of the greatest Y-STR diversity, have significantly been found among the populations of Turkey (8/741) Adygea (2/138), and Iraq (1/176),even though as a whole Haplogroup I-M170 occurs at only very low frequencies among modern populations of the Middle East and Caucasus. This is consistent with the belief that the haplogroup first appeared in that region. Overall, the highest frequencies of Haplogroup I-M170 appear to be found among the Andalusians (3/103 )French (4/179),Slovanians (2/55), Tabassarans (1/30) and the Saami (1/35). The greatest figure so far for I* was among the Laks in Dagestan, at a rate of (3/21), although only 21 Laks were tested.
I2a1b is brought from Slavs in present day Balkans.I'm calling it still I2a2, you call it I2a1b, we both know about which HG we are talking about, so... You wanna tell me that such a great amount of HG I2a2 was "transported" with Croats and Serbs from today Ukraine, all the way trough Poland to present day Croatia in this precentege of I2a2 as we have today in Croatia and Bosnia (highest in Europe)? How can that be possible? Were they traveling with Space ships? Because we are not talking about few days or years of migrations, but 4 and 5 centuries, we are talking here about 500 years of Croatian traveling from Today Ukraine, once Sarmatian lands, across Poland to Croatia...
Hallo from Montenegro!
Montenegrins, Serbs, Croats and Bosnians obviously has the same DNA.Than, we are the same people, or nation, whatever.Plus, we have the same language, with some variations less than 5%. DNA is in blood, and blood is not water and doesnt lying. However, I respect ethnic diversity, but I belive thats emotional condition of consence of every individuals, only. There is many proofs of our common ethnicity - The South Slavs.And that I will contribute in the future.So long!
Well i would exclude Montenegrins from the list you mentioned, they have too high E-V13.
history says that montegrians where originally serbians, since IMO serbians where originally thracians triballi tribe who became slavic after knowing the slavic tongue , then it makes sence that this central thracian people are E-V13
Indeed they're to a large degree Slavicized Albanians.I don't think so
Montenegrins are a tribe of their own
Simply in Montenegro exist strong Serbian (better say wider Slavic) and Albanian component
Montenegrin are not considered Slavs or Albanians neither Thracians, but in Montengro settled a lot of Slavs (Serbs) and Albanians
Well, you are a Serb, aren't you? The fact that Serbs probably were named after their serving to Byzantium won't change anything today.
Indeed they're to a large degree Slavicized Albanians.
How did you come to this conclusion? Do you know that the Montenegrins to a large degree slavicized vlachs? Vlachs that came to the region in the 9-10th century.
Deriving the mountain laws that the highland clans (serb and albanian) use today? Kanun / Katun are vlach words derived from latin.
Some people just want to watch the world burn by their ignorances.... Your probablt albanian anyhow. I've noticed most albanians are very keen in subverting facts to suit them.
Well 60 years of Hoxha made you guys forget about being self-critical
"In Kosovo, especially in its eastern part, most Albanians were gradually assimilated into the Eastern Orthodox faith by numerous methods, including the baptism of infants with Serbian names and the conducting of all religious ceremonies such as marriages in the Serbian language. In Montenegro entire tribes such as the Kuc, Bjellopavliq, Palabardha, Piprraj and Vasovic were assimilated; those who resisted assimilation retreated into the hills of what is now northern Albania"
How did you come to this conclusion? Do you know that the Montenegrins to a large degree slavicized vlachs? Vlachs that came to the region in the 9-10th century.
Deriving the mountain laws that the highland clans (serb and albanian) use today? Kanun / Katun are vlach words derived from latin.
Some people just want to watch the world burn by their ignorances.... Your probablt albanian anyhow. I've noticed most albanians are very keen in subverting facts to suit them.
Well 60 years of Hoxha made you guys forget about being self-critical
"Mountains of Giants: A Racial and Cultural Study of the North Albanian Mountain Ghegs - Carleton S Coon, p. 7"
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/v/vickers-serb.html?_r=2
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