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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    my guess is your maternal plays a big part
    I think we all inherit more maternal genes than the paternal.

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    It’s not the first time that I get Friuli-Venezia-Giulia, the Rhone Alps and the Tyrol,

    ... I guess SK1480 must have traveled a North to South path after all.

    ... (partial) from Ethnogene:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    It’s not the first time that I get Friuli-Venezia-Giulia, the Rhone Alps and the Tyrol,

    ... I guess SK1480 must have traveled a North to South path after all.

    ... (partial) from Ethnogene:


    it is more maternal.........my sons data ...........his mother maternal line comes from san stino di livenza and



    Portogruaro

    3 km from friuli

    his mother paternal comes from Gaiarine and Ceneda ( vittorio Veneto )


    His

    Top places 1650 - 1700
    Artegna, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

    Dueville, Veneto, Italy

    Gemona, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

    Ovaro, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

    Rigolato, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ... K1a4
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-Y33791
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    I once got Rhone area and Provenzal france ....but not anymore ..............I also used to get a lot of French Basque ...no more


    your line comes from ancient Liburnians/north dalmatian ...........only explanation IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    it is more maternal.........my sons data ...........his mother maternal line comes from san stino di livenza and



    Portogruaro

    3 km from friuli

    his mother paternal comes from Gaiarine and Ceneda ( vittorio Veneto )


    His

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    Artegna, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

    Dueville, Veneto, Italy

    Gemona, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

    Ovaro, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

    Rigolato, Friuli-Venezia Giulia, Italy

    Ovaro friuli is where I have DNA matches with the families of Bet , Rechenbach ( with Corso line ) and Hintz ..............Bet family still there, Rechenbach gone to swiss and Hintz is in Morgano Veneto ........I am talking about circa 1700 ............

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    ... guessing: if it’s Liburnia I’m assuming Late Bronze Age or earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... guessing: if it’s Liburnia I’m assuming Late Bronze Age or earlier.

    They arrived firstly near foggia circa 1000Bc from what I read ...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    They arrived firstly near foggia circa 1000Bc from what I read ...........

    Now

    Z19945 arrived in ancient Picene lands


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Now

    Z19945 arrived in ancient Picene lands


    to get to Firenze I took part of the same Italian route by Train as Z19945, many times.

    from Lecce ... 14+ Hours of Hell, I probably mutated a couple of clades into SK1480 right then, ... lol

    by Train, ... depending on the time of the day, years ago, from Lecce it was faster to get to Florence by going to Bologna than by Rome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    to get to Firenze I took part of the same Italian route by Train as Z19945, many times.

    from Lecce ... 14+ Hours of Hell, I probably mutated a couple of clades into SK1480 right then, ... lol

    by Train, ... depending on the time of the day, years ago, from Lecce it was faster to get to Florence by going to Bologna than by Rome.
    LOL


    I took ........about 3 hours from Bergamo to Lucca via Genoa ............and 2 hours from Lucca to Firenze

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Now

    Z19945 arrived in ancient Picene lands




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post



    what does chieti represent ?

    is it

    Their territory was placed under Roman municipal jurisdiction after the Social War.[6] In imperial times, Chieti's population reached 60,000 inhabitants but, after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, it was destroyed by Visigoths and Heruli. Later it was seat of a gastaldate under the Lombard kings. After its destruction by Peppin, it became a fief of the Duchy of Benevento.

    I do not recall Visigoths in Italy ( visi = western ) ..........but Ostrogoths ( ostro = eastern ) whose capital was Ravenna ............but they only stayed in Italy as rulers for about 100 years replaced by Lombards after losing a war to them.

    Heruli seem like a mix of Goths and Sycthians coming from the black sea ( romania area )

    But , papers also say
    The Heruli are specifically believed to have spoken an East Germanic language. These languages were also spoken by the Goths, Burgundians, Rugii, Vandals, Gepids and others.[9][10][11] It has however also been proposed that they spoke a North Germanic language.[12]

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    Chieti is my 2nd place myheritage Genetic Group,
    1st is Bari, ... 3rd Lecce (Salento), ...

    the Chieti genetic group spreads around close to the Piceni areas

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    ... from your video:

    the southern border of the Piceni reached into Abruzzo, ... the River Matrinus (Torrente Piomba), ... then Aternum (Pescara) and its river, ...

    ... that’s why my Chieti (Abruzzo) Genetic Group makes sense:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... from your video:

    the southern border of the Piceni reached into Abruzzo, ... the River Matrinus (Torrente Piomba), ... then Aternum (Pescara) and its river, ...

    ... that’s why my Chieti (Abruzzo) Genetic Group makes sense:




    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapodi...ricum_40BC.png

    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapodi

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...Roman_Liburnia

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    23 vs LivDNA Haplogroups

    LivingDNA trumps 23andme mtDNA :)




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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    23 vs LivDNA Haplogroups

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    What is this all about ....moving Jefferson from a T1a1 branch to a T1a2 branch ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    What is this all about ....moving Jefferson from a T1a1 branch to a T1a2 branch ?
    ... that's not what it says,

    ... the “your” in the images is about me, and not Jefferson.

    23 and LivDNA use Jefferson as the y T general point of reference.

    ... from my 23andme results:



    I can see how it can be confusing :)
    Last edited by Salento; 03-03-21 at 21:51.

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    Another T match

    Surname CAUS ( original )......some changed surname to Causin

    3 places they appear , need to check......Venice, Spresiano and Udine

    some now living in Brazil

    trying to check austrian records, since veneto and friuli where under austria from 1820-1870

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... that's not what it says,

    ... the “your” in the images is about me, and not Jefferson.

    23 and LivDNA use Jefferson as the y T general point of reference.

    ... from my 23andme results:



    I can see how it can be confusing :)
    The T project stated that the Jefferson is this in Yfull...T-PF7444
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-PF7444/...FUDDISYQ6t-xto

    others in Yfull state, state the top ID is Jefferson line ....USA flag VA in link below
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS3767/

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    from this paper

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...SgndXhDAF-9ZFo

    I was given this below


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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    The T project stated that the Jefferson is this in Yfull...T-PF7444
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-PF7444/...FUDDISYQ6t-xto

    others in Yfull state, state the top ID is Jefferson line ....USA flag VA in link below
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS3767/
    @Torzio
    the 1st Jefferson link is T1a1...
    the 2nd Jefferson link is T1a2...

    just sayin’ :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    @Torzio
    the 1st Jefferson link is T1a1...
    the 2nd Jefferson link is T1a2...

    just sayin’ :)

    I am saying he is T1a1 with PF7455

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    y T Vikings coordinates

    VK398 ... T-BY215080 (T1a2...)
    VK17... T-Y138678 (T1a...)

    Code:
    VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.00
    
    VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85,12.84,0.00
    
    VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61
    
    VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0.33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00
    
    VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.55,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38
    
    VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49
    
    VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22
    
    VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0.00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00

    Code:
    VK17_Dod_K7b,0.00,6.60,3.86,1.43,5.59,82.52,0.00
    
    VK17_Dod_W9,0.59,0.00,1.46,81.54,0.03,3.55,8.16,4.67,0.00
    
    VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23
    
    VK17_Dod_13,1.94,0.00,0.85,0.81,1.12,0.00,23.14,0.21,1.13,1.24,69.56,0.00,0.00
    
    VK17_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.06,20.77,0.19,1.64,0.00,16.74,0.00,35.60,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.96,0.00,1.05
    
    VK17_EU_K13,44.12,42.69,5.90,0.11,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.98,0.00,0.07,0.09,1.28
    
    VK17_EU_K15,39.67,17.44,20.45,17.47,2.27,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.16
    
    VK17_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.42,4.20,0.00,0.00,2.69,0.00,12.13,0.00,12.56,32.45,9.80,5.29,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.43,0.00,13.58,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00

    http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/

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