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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I’m not familiar with this particular Sicilian paper, but I'd like to read it,

    ... if only I had the link to it ... :)
    I will see what I can do
    Fathers mtdna ... T2b17
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    Sons mtdna ... K1a4p
    Mum paternal line ... R1b-S8172
    Grandmum paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ... R1a-Z282

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    Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )


    House/Phase: O / 2
    Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
    mtDNA: J1c6a
    Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal ( Rang Group limit )
    Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.7 / 8.9 (highest Animal Protein)
    Age at Death: 25–30
    Death Position: Stretched Dorsal southeast
    Other ID: Feature 537 / Museum no 2004:26340a / 14C id KIA-40357
    Sample: Skull
    Read Pairs: 122,568,310
    Mean Coverage: 2.96X
    Virus: Hepatitis B ( HBV )
    Autosomal notes: High CHG
    Files: FASTQ / FASTQ (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-SAM=>sorted BAM)



    The first of the Karsdorf 3 neolithic ancient T samples to be added by Yfull


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    The Hackers are probably having an impact, MTA doesn’t list I0797 Kar16a haplogroups, … the Research Link goes to theedited Wikipedia page

    … I uploaded one of the Karsdorf sample to MTA:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    The Hackers are probably having an impact, MTA doesn’t list I0797 Kar16a haplogroups, … the Research Link goes to theedited Wikipedia page

    … I uploaded one of the Karsdorf sample to MTA:
    you should do a Malek one as well and see if the two are linked .ie Germany and Bulgaria

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    you should do a Malek one as well and see if the two are linked .ie Germany and Bulgaria
    I1108 Malak Preslavets
    Timiline + … :








    I0700 Malak Preslavets
    Timiline + … :








    Code:
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_K12b,0.00,0.00,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0.00,0.00,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_K12b,0.00,0.00,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0.00,0.00,6.38,0.00,10.05,0.81
    
    
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,0.86,0.04,7.96,0.00,42.48,1.35,0.73,0.00,46.23,0.00,0.37
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.86,0.00,8.47,0.08,46.21,0.22,0.68,0.00,42.47,0.00,0.00

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I1108 Malak Preslavets
    Timiline + … :








    I0700 Malak Preslavets
    Timiline + … :








    Code:
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_K12b,0.00,0.00,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0.00,0.00,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_K12b,0.00,0.00,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0.00,0.00,6.38,0.00,10.05,0.81
    
    
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,0.86,0.04,7.96,0.00,42.48,1.35,0.73,0.00,46.23,0.00,0.37
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Dod_Globe13,0.00,0.00,1.86,0.00,8.47,0.08,46.21,0.22,0.68,0.00,42.47,0.00,0.00
    Great

    So we know that karsdorf 3 samples and Malek 2 samples have the same ydna marker of T1a1a2-Y63197

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    … double checking

    I0700 & I1108 general y Haplogroup overview:

    … they’re y T … !!!




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    .. my new MTA civilization video (… to gif) :

    … the Roman Standard has a Tarantula, … they’re obviously Salentini


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    .. my new MTA civilization video (… to gif) :

    … the Roman Standard has a Tarantula, … they’re obviously Salentini


    looks like a scorpion to me ...........though it has too many legs

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    looks like a scorpion to me ...........though it has too many legs
    … lol ………..

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    Ftdna BigY split for Haplogroup T under snp Z19945 block

    There are extra splitting off of snp from the big Z19945 ...........see below

    BY143483 - Italians and Poles

    FT62750 - Poles, Ukraine's and Belorussians

    FT158444 - Belgium's

    Z19950 - Belgium's, Czechs and Germans


    23 samples in total

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    the R outliers according to M.L. Antonio:

    … y T Iron-Age Latin R850 does NOT rise to official Outlier status, … please stop calling him that :)



    https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...Antonio_SM.pdf

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    There’s a campaign of sabotage against some y T samples to the point that they are hacking and replacing T with R1b and other stuff, … I don’t know the reasons, … besides total lack of respect towards all the Ancient Y T Tribes, modern Y T members, and me! … not cool !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    There’s a campaign of sabotage against some y T samples to the point that they are hacking and replacing T with R1b and other stuff, … I don’t know the reasons, … besides total lack of respect towards all the Ancient Y T Tribes, modern Y T members, and me! … not cool !
    Hi Salento.
    Hackers came from the ‘deep web’ (dark side of web) to eliminate yT from the ‘surface web’ (clean side of web). Yamnas came from the steppe to eliminate yT from the Europe. Perhaps the resemblance is not a mere coincidence.

    I think I tried to make a joke. But I also know that I’m not very good at it, so the joke can seems to be not funny, lol.

    Good Night dear friend Salento

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    You’re OK Duarte :) … lol
    … I thought the same thing, … the Descendants of the ‘Steppe’ want to finish the job

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )


    House/Phase: O / 2
    Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197 (xBY154289)
    mtDNA: J1c6a
    Sr isotope: Native to Unstruttal ( Rang Group limit )
    Diet (d13C%0 / d15N%0): -19.7 / 8.9 (highest Animal Protein)
    Age at Death: 25–30
    Death Position: Stretched Dorsal southeast
    Other ID: Feature 537 / Museum no 2004:26340a / 14C id KIA-40357
    Sample: Skull
    Read Pairs: 122,568,310
    Mean Coverage: 2.96X
    Virus: Hepatitis B ( HBV )
    Autosomal notes: High CHG
    Files: FASTQ / FASTQ (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-SAM=>sorted BAM)



    The first of the Karsdorf 3 neolithic ancient T samples to be added by Yfull


    notes below from the T ydna project team at Ftdna
    .................................

    Finally, one of the Karsdorf remains BAM files, has been uploaded to the YFULL tree.



    Looks like we have a 3th branch basally splited from T-Y63197 in eastern Europe.

    This results, potentially push the T-L162 presence in europe from the 7600 ybp of Malak Preslavets to 9000 ybp.

    This is just 3000 years after the connection with T-L208, the biggest modern T lineage.



    Since the most basal L208 split is found in the ancient Italian Peninsula, I find very likely that our common T-L162 ancestor was found very close to the eastern Balkans if not in anyplace between the European Steppes and the Aegean Sea.



    The whole T-L162 modern community could have started our Mesolithic Journey in this ancient european landscape.



    This looks well supported by the fact that T and specially T-L162 is completly non-existent among all the early Neolithic Anatolian samples and most importantly, not found among the most ancient Neolithic cities of southeast Anatolia.



    The earliest T-L162 sample (Malak Preslavets) harbor a significant ~50% eastern european Mesolithic DNA pattern (aside of the fact that exist significant incidence of Aegean DNA among Balkan Mesolithic individuals).

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    It should be a PPNB lineage, many of them joined early Proto Afro-Asiatics as well, i would expect Cushites, Egyptians to carry some Y-DNA T.

    Relatively rare all over the globe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
    It should be a PPNB lineage, many of them joined early Proto Afro-Asiatics as well, i would expect Cushites, Egyptians to carry some Y-DNA T.

    Relatively rare all over the globe.

    Only T ydna I have seen which is ancient belongs to T-pages004 ....it went into Egypt from the levant with R-V88

    I have already placed the paper ( from ms Smith ) on this a year or 2 ago

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    @Torzio from Post #441,

    if the most basal L208 split is found in Ancient Italy, … Latin Ardea R850 (T-L208) is undoubtedly a mainstream Sample.

    … bet you that if R850 was R1b nobody would have falsely called him an Outlier, regardless of his ancestral background.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    You’re OK Duarte :) … lol
    … I thought the same thing, … the Descendants of the ‘Steppe’ want to finish the job
    I am honestly confused as to why some people do these things... Like it has to be some obsession. Not sure which page they hacked, or why people would mess with wikipedia and stuff. My only hunch leads me to mental instability as an answer.
    “Man cannot live without a permanent trust in something indestructible in himself, and at the same time that indestructible something as well as his trust in it may remain permanently concealed from him.”

    Franz Kafka

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    I am honestly confused as to why some people do these things... Like it has to be some obsession. Not sure which page they hacked, or why people would mess with wikipedia and stuff. My only hunch leads me to mental instability as an answer.
    … Thread about it:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post624736

    compromised Wikipedia page, .. the 2 samples are not R1b, they are both y T !
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karsdorf_remains

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    … Thread about it:

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...l=1#post624736

    compromised Wikipedia page, .. the 2 samples are not R1b, they are both y T !
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karsdorf_remains
    Interesting. Did not pay much attention to T before. Looks like some branches, such as T1a1* and some other sub branches could have been incorporated into the IE peoples before coming to Europe, just a remark looking at the ancient samples and the diversity of flags for this very specific sub branch (as if you look at other branches, it is a very old haplogroup that probably spread much much earlier with HG).

    About this guy on wikipedia, it seems he is confused or something.

    *removed sensitive information

    Using Occam's razor, he is probably just confused. Have not read the paper myself, but yeah, unless there is a supplementary table with the results clearly laid up, his ignorance might a valid alibi. But if the info is smack on a table in the supplements of the paper, this could be malicious intent and disinformation.

    I will delete the image in a bit. Don't want to expose this guys IP, although it is in the public domain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archetype0ne View Post
    Interesting. Did not pay much attention to T before. Looks like some branches, such as T1a1* and some other sub branches could have been incorporated into the IE peoples before coming to Europe, just a remark looking at the ancient samples and the diversity of flags for this very specific sub branch (as if you look at other branches, it is a very old haplogroup that probably spread much much earlier with HG).

    About this guy on wikipedia, it seems he is confused or something.

    *removed sensitive information

    Using Occam's razor, he is probably just confused. Have not read the paper myself, but yeah, unless there is a supplementary table with the results clearly laid up, his ignorance might a valid alibi. But if the info is smack on a table in the supplements of the paper, this could be malicious intent and disinformation.

    I will delete the image in a bit. Don't want to expose this guys IP, although it is in the public domain.
    that is not the case , I wrote to the person ( a administrator for T and L ydna ) who presented the initial data about karsdorf samples and other ancient T samples, and he stated to me on messenger that it has been 2 years that people from Africa have been trying to change all T ydna to either R1b or R1a and so leave Africa as purely a T and E ydna zone ..............apparently to justify their ideas

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    Ftdna BigY split for Haplogroup T under snp Z19945 block

    There are extra splitting off of snp from the big Z19945 ...........see below

    BY143483 - Italians and Poles

    FT62750 - Poles, Ukraine's and Belorussians

    FT158444 - Belgium's

    Z19950 - Belgium's, Czechs and Germans


    23 samples in total


    Another 3 x Poles and 2 x Ukraine's added to Ftdna T project .................all are positive for Z19945 plus positive for pages000113

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    Another T1a2 from old Eneti lands ie ancient Pala area in Northern Anatolia

    Location Paphlagonia

    Ethnicity Paphlagonian

    Nationality Turkish RepublicY-DNA

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