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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    As per T project admin ...............these two samples are related to KARS537


    BTW
    Have you got a list of every T ydna that has K12b info ?....................I like to compare myself with all the T and see if I can see a trend for my line
    ... from various sources, ... most y T Dodecad K12b coordinates of interest:
    (I can try to get some more, but you have to be specific)

    Code:
    ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic,0,0,0,7.78,44.92,3.01,0,0,11.36,0,32.93,0
    R850_Ardea_Latin,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
    R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
    R1543_Imperial_Rome,8.92,0,5.86,0,21.15,9.11,0.41,0.36,14.95,0,38.92,0.31
    CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom,6,1.15,3.48,0,36.14,24.04,0.16,0.59,7.04,0,21.33,0.07
    SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary,5.31,0,2.69,0,32.16,22.1,0.15,0,9.96,0,27.22,0.41
    I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern,4.91,0,1.54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0,37,0
    I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD,6.34,0.29,11.67,0,35.87,20.88,0,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
    Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,3.81,0.14,50.90,0,0,0.68,15.71,0,28.76,0
    Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,2.60,0,45.47,0,0,0,14.99,0,36.19,0.75
    kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0.45,3.45,0,59.31,0,0,0.53,15.77,0,20.49,0
    VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0,0,0.06,0,3.77,1.58
    VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara,8.38,2.47,0.53,0,35.05,41.08,0,0,0.48,0,9.88,2.14
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0,0,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0,0,6.38,0,10.05,0.81
    KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,3.81,0,53.94,16.35,0,0,8.50,0,17.40,0
    KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,0,0,57.20,17.89,0,2.49,6.68,0,15.74,0

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... from various sources, ... most y T Dodecad K12b coordinates of interest:
    (I can try to get some more, but you have to be specific)

    Code:
    ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic,0,0,0,7.78,44.92,3.01,0,0,11.36,0,32.93,0
    R850_Ardea_Latin,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
    R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
    R1543_Imperial_Rome,8.92,0,5.86,0,21.15,9.11,0.41,0.36,14.95,0,38.92,0.31
    CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom,6,1.15,3.48,0,36.14,24.04,0.16,0.59,7.04,0,21.33,0.07
    SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary,5.31,0,2.69,0,32.16,22.1,0.15,0,9.96,0,27.22,0.41
    I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern,4.91,0,1.54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0,37,0
    I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD,6.34,0.29,11.67,0,35.87,20.88,0,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
    Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,3.81,0.14,50.90,0,0,0.68,15.71,0,28.76,0
    Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,2.60,0,45.47,0,0,0,14.99,0,36.19,0.75
    kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0.45,3.45,0,59.31,0,0,0.53,15.77,0,20.49,0
    VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0,0,0.06,0,3.77,1.58
    VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara,8.38,2.47,0.53,0,35.05,41.08,0,0,0.48,0,9.88,2.14
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0,0,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0,0,6.38,0,10.05,0.81
    KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,3.81,0,53.94,16.35,0,0,8.50,0,17.40,0
    KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,0,0,57.20,17.89,0,2.49,6.68,0,15.74,0

    i just thought it would be helpful to put them all together

    regards
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-Z282

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    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 2.2306% / 2.23061290 | ADC: 0.25x RC
    45.6 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
    29.9 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
    24.5 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara


    very different from MTA in regards to ydna T

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    Distance to: Torziok12b
    4.82277928 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
    10.29711610 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
    13.60258064 R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome
    17.30128608 I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
    18.43716627 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
    18.84040870 I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
    22.17713011 I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD
    22.56245332 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
    23.18973911 KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
    25.41673858 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
    31.09767515 R850_Ardea_Latin
    31.47556195 ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
    31.51982392 R1543_Imperial_Rome
    34.91681543 Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    35.19496271 Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    38.27756523 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
    38.50644881 kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany

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    … deleted …
    Last edited by Salento; 26-09-21 at 06:27.

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    … none of the latest Etruscans and Daunians are y T.

    Etrusco-Latin? … according to modern scholars, the Rutuli (capital Ardea) were probably connected with the Etruscan or Ligurian peoples .

    … and we have one Iron-Age y T in Ardea.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutuli
    Last edited by Salento; 28-09-21 at 05:18.

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    I’ve read many papers, … I counted a total of about 50 Ancient y T … out of thousands of ancient samples (though I haven't read them all).

    Although y T is not a popular Haplogroup even today, the number of ancient samples found is proportionally way too small.

    I don’t understand…….

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    ... from various sources, ... most y T Dodecad K12b coordinates of interest:
    (I can try to get some more, but you have to be specific)

    Code:
    ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic,0,0,0,7.78,44.92,3.01,0,0,11.36,0,32.93,0
    R850_Ardea_Latin,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
    R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
    R1543_Imperial_Rome,8.92,0,5.86,0,21.15,9.11,0.41,0.36,14.95,0,38.92,0.31
    CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom,6,1.15,3.48,0,36.14,24.04,0.16,0.59,7.04,0,21.33,0.07
    SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary,5.31,0,2.69,0,32.16,22.1,0.15,0,9.96,0,27.22,0.41
    I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern,4.91,0,1.54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0,37,0
    I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD,6.34,0.29,11.67,0,35.87,20.88,0,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
    Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,3.81,0.14,50.90,0,0,0.68,15.71,0,28.76,0
    Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,2.60,0,45.47,0,0,0,14.99,0,36.19,0.75
    kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0.45,3.45,0,59.31,0,0,0.53,15.77,0,20.49,0
    VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0,0,0.06,0,3.77,1.58
    VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara,8.38,2.47,0.53,0,35.05,41.08,0,0,0.48,0,9.88,2.14
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0,0,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0,0,6.38,0,10.05,0.81
    KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,3.81,0,53.94,16.35,0,0,8.50,0,17.40,0
    KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,0,0,57.20,17.89,0,2.49,6.68,0,15.74,0
    

    look to me like an early neolithic european haplogroup
    ancestery :
    mostly western jewish here is the overlapp with south europe[U]

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    @salento

    Looking at our SK1480 I found a history of a genetic line for sample ERS256892 which sits with me and the pole in yfull

    the link states that SK1480 is equal to L131 ...............what does this mean to you ?

    https://www.genetichomeland.com/welc...cordID=1555752

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento
    Looking at our SK1480 I found a history of a genetic line for sample ERS256892 which sits with me and the pole in yfull
    the link states that SK1480 is equal to L131 ...............what does this mean to you ?
    https://www.genetichomeland.com/welc...cordID=1555752
    … the link says equal or downstream of L131.

    … SK1480 is obviously a downstream of L131.

    You already know that L131 is our Great great great … Grandpà, Z19945 is Grandpà and BY143483 is our SK1480 Father :)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    … the link says equal or downstream of L131.

    … SK1480 is obviously a downstream of L131.

    L131 is our Great great great … Grandpà, Z19945 is Grandpà and BY143483 is our SK1480 Father :)



    so all the lines are directly linked with SK1480 .................interesting their is no link with ancient Spain

    I will chat with T project people

    ERS256892 from Sardinia, Italy. is linked directly with me and the Pole .....................Yfull know about SK1480 but do not use it

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    SK1480 found in 2014 ...............are registered with this site?

    https://www.genetichomeland.com/welc...0&chromosome=Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    so all the lines are directly linked with SK1480 .................interesting their is no link with ancient Spain
    I will chat with T project people
    ERS256892 from Sardinia, Italy. is linked directly with me and the Pole .....................Yfull know about SK1480 but do not use it
    I have no idea of any ancient geo links, … you and the Polish man, who’s not a Pole, are the only SK1480 I’m aware of (besides my family)

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    We can only go back a few hundred years, … and they didn’t find any ancient SK1480 or a nearby upstream of it.

    … the snptracker map makes an educated guess, … it kind of places SK1480 halfway between our regions of origin:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I have no idea of any ancient geo links, … you and the Polish man, who’s not a Pole, are the only SK1480 I’m aware of (besides my family)
    yes........we 3 ..............a type of Musketeer unit

    Pole says .........Thuringia to Netherlands to Gdansk Poland .............and will retire in Norway as family lives there .............

    your line moving from Italy to USA

    mine from Italy to Australia

    We are the nomads, trailblazers ................we have deep seated WHG in our markers

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    a map of T-Z19945 that match me and who are tested with ftdna, yfull or myheritage


    we know the canary island member and the trentino marker is myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    a map of T-Z19945 that match me and who are tested with ftdna, yfull or myheritage

    we know the canary island member and the trentino marker is myself

    the Turkish marker is Aydin area

    earliest history of the area states..............................

    Aydin was known as Tralles in ancient times

    According to Strabo Tralles was founded by the Argives and Trallians.

    The Trallians, Tralles or Tralli (Greek: Τράλλεις, Tralleis) were a Thracian tribe that served Hellenistic kings.[1] They were barbarians, employed as mercenaries, executioners and torturers in Asia.[2] Livy (59 BC–17 AD) called them Illyrians.[3] Strabo (64 BC–24 AD) in Geographica attributed the foundation of the ancient city of Tralles, in the valley of the Maeander River in Asia Minor to Trallians and Argives. This tradition has been deemed fictitious and coincidental.[1] W. M. Ramsay (1851–1939) believed that the Trallians, a warrior tribe, had crossed the Hellespont and settled Mysia, Lydia, Phrygia, Caria and Lycia,[4] in what is today western Turkey. A part of the tribe seems to have migrated to Illyria.[5]

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    @salento
    I presume the Lecce sample I found in genetichomeland is you , but it only appears if I use T-CTS8862 to search...............it comes with 1 other match only ...a bulgarian from Permik
    The site shows two other T1a2 ancient samples ...1 x Silistra bulgaria and other from Somogy hungaria
    I think the program must run also on MyHeritage samples ( they use ftdna programmers, but different snp and areas of ones DNA ).............I say this because I get a match from year 1600 in Grand Est France........this program shows me, a person with T-Z19945 from Waldersbach in Grand Est France
    It also shows me 2 x Czech samples with T-Z19945
    Last edited by torzio; 03-10-21 at 01:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento
    I presume the Lecce sample I found in genetichomeland is you , but it only appears if I use T-CTS8862 to search...............it comes with 1 other match only ...a bulgarian from Permik
    The site shows two other T1a2 ancient samples ...1 x Silistra bulgaria and other from Somogy hungaria
    I think the program must run also on MyHeritage samples ( they use ftdna programmers, but different snp and areas of ones DNA ).............I say this because I get a match from year 1600 in Grand Est France........this program shows me person with T-Z19945 from Waldersbach in Grand Est France
    It also shows me 2 x Czech samples with T-Z19945
    I haven't seen it, but it is possible, though if it’s me it is outdated as we’re T-SK1480.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I haven't seen it, but it is possible, though if it’s me it is outdated as we’re T-SK1480.

    they must only check certain testing companies as I mentioned

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    Another T1a2

    Marotte family from Belgium T1a2 - FT384286 .............year 1580

    and a

    Czech T1a2 - FTA53658 ..........................year 1615

    both of the above are from CTS1848 branch

    .................................................. ....

    on my branch

    Johann Adam Wolff, b.1688 ..........in Austria

    Charles Sheppard Vinson Jones , 1760 ...........found in USA

    John Atwell b. 1727 ...Wales

    Antonio Gariti, b. 1700 Italy

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    Anyone been able to figure out cts933 yet? Also any progress on who carried T1 lines in europe or were they just slaves in the roman empire from middle east?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaktikatEMalet View Post
    Anyone been able to figure out cts933 yet? Also any progress on who carried T1 lines in europe or were they just slaves in the roman empire from middle east?
    No, … and absolutely Not !!!
    Y T was in Rome long before the Empire !!! and was already in Germany during the Neolithic!

    Ardea (Rome):



    Karsdorf (Germany):
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y63197/


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    @TaktikatEMalet … one of the richest graves (the richest ever in its time period - 4545 BC) belongs to y T ANI152 - (Varna) The Golden King, …

    Just because y T isn't popular, doesn't mean it wasn't important historically, it already ruled parts of Europe at least 6000 years ago!

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...ck-sea-coast-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    No, … and absolutely Not !!!
    Y T was in Rome long before the Empire !!! and was already in Germany during the Neolithic!
    Ardea (Rome):

    Karsdorf (Germany):
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y63197/
    Wow thats nice, ardea were basically in rome before rome existed? It makes sense why T isnt rare in italy unlike rest of europe, seems to have a hotspot in and around rome

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