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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    what are we doing here ?
    I’m using MTA Deep Dive settings (60 SNPs) on GedMatch One-to-One, and trying to get a “minimum” result:

    … on GedMatch “One-to-One Autosomal DNA Comparison”, input the Ancient Kit ID and Yours,

    … Write 60 where it says: “SNP window size threshold. Leave blank for default to vary dynamically between 200-400”,

    run it! … if no results go back and Write 6 where it says: “Minimum segment cM size to be included in total: (Must be at least 3 cm. Leave blank for default value = 7)”,

    run it again, … if no results go back and change it to 5, … if no results go back and lower to 4 or 3 and run it,

    … if still no results go back, and add a 3 where it says: “Size (in SNPs) of Mismatch-Bunching limit. (Leave blank for default mismatch eval window / 2)” and run it again.

    … good luck :) lol

    … for example: me vs R1 … see the settings in the red squares that I had to use to get results with the 60 SNPs threshold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I’m using MTA Deep Dive settings (60 SNPs) on GedMatch One-to-One, and trying to get a “minimum” result:

    … on GedMatch “One-to-One Autosomal DNA Comparison”, input the Ancient Kit ID and Yours,

    … Write 60 where it says: “SNP window size threshold. Leave blank for default to vary dynamically between 200-400”,

    run it! … if no results go back and Write 6 where it says: “Minimum segment cM size to be included in total: (Must be at least 3 cm. Leave blank for default value = 7)”,

    run it again, … if no results go back and change it to 5, … if no results go back and lower to 4 or 3 and run it,

    … if still no results go back, and add a 3 where it says: “Size (in SNPs) of Mismatch-Bunching limit. (Leave blank for default mismatch eval window / 2)” and run it again.

    … good luck :) lol

    … for example: me vs R1 … see the settings in the red squares that I had to use to get results with the 60 SNPs threshold.

    for myself .v. R1
    all chr used except 3, 6, 9 and 12

    Largest segment = 6.5 cM

    Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 123.3cM (3.437 Pct)

    33 shared segments found for this comparison.

    648286 SNPs used for this comparison.

    54.59 Pct SNPs are full identical
    Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
    Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
    Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
    Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
    Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
    Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155

    "Fear profits man, nothing"

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    on min segment size of 5 ....i only get
    Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
    19 .......7,663,317 ....... 9,939,831 .....6.5 .....560

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    @salento

    you are closer than I for R1 ..........is this the same for MTA ?

    I stated a while ago......looks like we came via dalmatia/liburnia area .........to Marche .....your line went south ( Picene and Daunian) and my line went north

    something like SNP tracker



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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    @salento
    you are closer than I for R1 ..........is this the same for MTA ?
    I stated a while ago......looks like we came via dalmatia/liburnia area .........to Marche .....your line went south ( Picene and Daunian) and my line went north
    something like SNP tracker
    … not on MTA anymore, you’re way closer to R1 than me, …

    …though I do get the “Modern” MyHeritage Chieti (Abruzzo) Genetic Group (Martinsicuro is in Abruzzo)


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    … my Lecce Genetic Group has Marche (and Rome) in 1600 - 1650 … this genetic group is hundreds of years old, … maybe it’s a clue indicating a common genetic link of Piceni and Iapigi (Daunians - Peuceti - Messapi)
    I Think :)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    … my Lecce Genetic Group has Marche (and Rome) in 1600 - 1650 … this genetic group is hundreds of years old, … maybe it’s a clue indicating a common genetic link of Piceni and Iapigi (Daunians - Peuceti - Messapi)
    I Think :)


    this is my new #1 , replacing sample R1 .................but R1 has double the SNP's


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    ​one-to-one R120 (Late Antiquity Roman) vs R850 (Ardea Latin) and 1543 (Imperial Roman)




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    It seems many are confused with which T it belongs to which branch
    Currently
    T1a1
    T1a2
    T1a3
    T-PH110
    are the branches
    .................................
    But some scientific testers use
    T1a1a for T1a1
    T1a1b for T1a2
    T1a2a for T1a3


    in the distant past 2011 to 2014 it was as the map below states
    T2 = T1a1 branch

    T3 = T1a2 branch


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    Distance to: DER031
    8.70873699 Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    10.63597198 Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    12.86849253 ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
    15.31279530 kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany

    Dodecad K12b:

    Code:
    DER031,0,0,0.95,0,54.58,0,0,0,10.37,0,33.76,0.35
    ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic,0,0,0,7.78,44.92,3.01,0,0,11.36,0,32.93,0
    R850_Ardea_Latin,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
    R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
    R1543_Imperial_Rome,8.92,0,5.86,0,21.15,9.11,0.41,0.36,14.95,0,38.92,0.31
    CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom,6,1.15,3.48,0,36.14,24.04,0.16,0.59,7.04,0,21.33,0.07
    SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary,5.31,0,2.69,0,32.16,22.1,0.15,0,9.96,0,27.22,0.41
    I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern,4.91,0,1.54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0,37,0
    I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD,6.34,0.29,11.67,0,35.87,20.88,0,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
    Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,3.81,0.14,50.90,0,0,0.68,15.71,0,28.76,0
    Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,2.60,0,45.47,0,0,0,14.99,0,36.19,0.75
    kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0.45,3.45,0,59.31,0,0,0.53,15.77,0,20.49,0
    VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0,0,0.06,0,3.77,1.58
    VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara,8.38,2.47,0.53,0,35.05,41.08,0,0,0.48,0,9.88,2.14
    I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0,0,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
    I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0,0,6.38,0,10.05,0.81
    KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,3.81,0,53.94,16.35,0,0,8.50,0,17.40,0
    KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,0,0,57.20,17.89,0,2.49,6.68,0,15.74,0

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    Distance to: Torziok12b
    4.82277928 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
    10.29711610 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
    13.60258064 R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome
    17.30128608 I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
    18.43716627 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
    18.84040870 I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
    22.17713011 I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD
    22.56245332 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
    23.18973911 KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
    25.41673858 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
    31.09767515 R850_Ardea_Latin
    31.47556195 ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
    31.51982392 R1543_Imperial_Rome
    34.91681543 Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    35.19496271 Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    36.99720665 DER031
    38.27756523 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
    38.50644881 kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany



    Target: Torziok12b
    Distance: 1.8050% / 1.80501612
    50.6 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
    37.6 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
    6.3 DER031
    2.9 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
    2.6 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia

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    Interesting.......my 1st cousin, once removed from Trentino

    Target: TrentinoCles
    Distance: 1.8336% / 1.83361321
    34.4 DER031
    32.2 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
    32.0 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
    1.4 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara



    Distance to: TrentinoCles
    6.50109222 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
    7.97467241 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
    10.61070214 R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome
    19.11735599 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
    20.18327278 I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
    20.54872259 I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
    21.75104135 KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
    23.55030998 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
    24.31628261 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
    25.64338316 I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD
    27.11581826 ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
    28.26651730 R850_Ardea_Latin
    29.12351799 R1543_Imperial_Rome
    30.80966082 Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    31.43546723 Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    32.88626917 DER031
    36.19962431 kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
    42.12987301 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga

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    @Salento

    Matt Verona ( Vironet line )

    Shared info on his close matches which I do not have................maybe you have them

    Jason LaBenne ( from the Bear man you linked a while ago ) ...............Hubert LaBenne b.1629 Tilleur , Belgium

    John Zeno ...................Domenico Ziino , Messina Italy

    Kenneth Wike ...............Germany

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    All above are T1a2 ydna branch

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    T-SK1480 and Parent still overlap, … same place for 2000 years, … They loved Italy and the Roman Empire :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    T-SK1480 and Parent still overlap, … same place for 2000 years, … They loved Italy and the Roman Empire :)
    2000 years?
    Are you saying the roman invasions of the Alps anywhere from 15BC to 35AD is where our ancestors came from , captured and enslaved in Rome?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    2000 years?
    Are you saying the roman invasions of the Alps anywhere from 15BC to 35AD is where our ancestors came from , captured and enslaved in Rome?
    I only said what the map shows!
    … surely, in 15BC our ancestors were allies of the Romans, and rewarded with a beautiful Villa in Tuscany, … better climate than the Alps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    I only said what the map shows!
    … surely, in 15BC our ancestors were allies of the Romans, and rewarded with a beautiful Villa in Tuscany, … better climate than the Alps

    looking at the map you presented ..............we fit in a map in the link somwhere

    https://second.wiki/wiki/augusteische_alpenfeldzc3bcge

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    yfull dates BY143483 to 2998 ybp, that’s 1048 BC … some members may have been in Italy since then, and eventually mutating into SK1480.



    from snptracker:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salento View Post
    yfull dates BY143483 to 2998 ybp, that’s 1048 BC … some members may have been in Italy since then, and eventually mutating into SK1480.



    from snptracker:

    is the ybp still the year 1950 ?

    or you stating this year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by torzio View Post
    is the ybp still the year 1950 ?
    or you stating this year?
    yes, bp is the year 1950, usually.

    1950 - 2998 = -1048 or 1048 BC

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    ybp relates to radiocarbon dating, … the resulting dates are an approximation, … there’s not need to tweak them.

    I see sites adding / subtracting 50 years to the ybp converted results, … waist of time.

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    August 2022 - The Anglo-Saxon migration and formation of the Early English Gene pool

    I3011
    - UK, Lincolnshire, Lincoln, Lincoln Castle
    y T1a1a1b2b2b1a
    mt H1a3

    Code:
    I3011_Early-Medieval_UK_Lincoln-Castle_Dod_K12b,8.36,1.05,0,0,43.18,29.04,1.46,0.12,4.78,0,11.06,0.97




    ... "The history of the British Isles and Ireland is characterized by multiple periods of major cultural change, including the influential transformation after the end of Roman rule, which precipitated shifts in language, settlement patterns and material culture. The extent to which migration from continental Europe mediated these transitions is a matter of long-standing debate. Here we study genome-wide ancient DNA from 460 medieval northwestern Europeans – including 278 individuals from England – alongside archaeological data, to infer contemporary population dynamics. We identify a substantial increase of continental northern European ancestry in early medieval England, which is closely related to the early medieval and present-day inhabitants of Germany and Denmark, implying large-scale substantial migration across the North Sea into Britain during the Early Middle Ages. As a result, the individuals we analysed from eastern England derived up to 76% of their ancestry from the continental North Sea zone, albeit with substantial regional variation and heterogeneity within sites. We show that women with immigrant ancestry were more often furnished with grave goods than women with local ancestry, whereas men with weapons were as likely as not to be of immigrant ancestry. A comparison with present-day Britain indicates that subsequent demographic events reduced the fraction of continental northern European ancestry, while introducing further ancestry components into the English gene pool, including substantial southwestern European ancestry most closely related to that seen in Iron Age France." ...

    ENA Browser (ebi.ac.uk)

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    far from me ...............I know its the other T branch

    Distance to: Torziok12b
    12.74404175 I3011_Early-Medieval_UK_Lincoln-Castle_Dod_K12b

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