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Originally Posted by Salento
in the paper, one is Western Steppe other is Southern Siberia ................even though they are the same branch ..............is this not strange ?
Fathers mtdna ...... T2b17
Grandfather paternal mtdna ... T1a1e
Sons mtdna ...... K1a4p
Mothers line ..... R1b-S8172
Grandmother paternal side ... I1-CTS6397
Wife paternal line ..... R1a-PF6155
"Fear profits man, nothing"
Both samples show an asterisk * at the end of the y Haplogroup, … It could mean that it’s not a final prediction, but an approximation, I guess.
W2737 I7218 480 BCE battle y T-S27463* T1a2b mt H5+709 780-400 BCE Sicily, Himera W4651 I7224 409 BCE battle y T-S27463* T1a2b mt U1a1a 770-540 calBCE Sicily, Himera
do you mean that the 2 samples came via either place and they are not sure
I know there was T in southern Siberia from other papers ...............these look more like they are both from western steppe
Both samples were listed as T-S27463 (xT-Y174326) in supplemental file 6 (see attached). Their locations and dating are confirmed, the asterisk meant terminal SNP designation.
pnas.2205272119.sd06.xlsx
post 535 + 551
results below
Distance to: Torziok12b
4.82277928 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
10.29711610 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
13.60258064 R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome
15.05875825 ALB_Mdv:I14622_y-T1a2b1_mt-H11a
17.30128608 I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
18.43716627 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
18.84040870 I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
21.86613820 I7224_Himera_409_BCE_Battle_Med
22.17713011 I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD
22.56245332 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
23.18973911 KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
24.61253542 I7218_Himera_480_BCE_Battle_Med
25.41673858 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
27.57585538 GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962_y-T1a2b1_mt-U8b1b
31.09767515 R850_Ardea_Latin
31.47556195 ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
31.51982392 R1543_Imperial_Rome
34.91681543 Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
35.07276294 TUR_BlackSea_Samsun_Anc_A:I4530_y-T1a2b1a1_mt-U3a2a1
35.19496271 Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
35.28608649 GRC_Marathon_Rom:I7833_y-T1a2b1a_mt-H
35.82466469 TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_A:I14799_y-T1a2b1a1_mt-I1
36.99720665 DER031
37.16133071 TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20143_y-T1a2_mt-J1b3b1
38.27756523 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.0378% / 1.03782676
24.8 ARM_Karashamb_LBA
22.3 KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
18.6 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
13.0 I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
10.3 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
4.1 DER031
3.9 I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
3.0 ALB_Mdv
Distance to: Torziok12b
2.24904578 31.20% ARM_Karashamb_LBA:I19345_y-T1a1a1b2b_mt-J1d6 + 68.80% I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
2.51586974 57.80% R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome + 42.20% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
2.90597506 82.60% CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom + 17.40% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
2.94489342 91.00% CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom + 9.00% VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
2.99713097 39.80% GRC_Kastrouli_Anc:I17962_y-T1a2b1_mt-U8b1b + 60.20% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
3.09967820 57.40% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara + 42.60% I7218_Himera_480_BCE_Battle_Med
3.14825654 65.00% SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary + 35.00% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
3.38549892 54.40% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara + 45.60% I7224_Himera_409_BCE_Battle_Med
4.13632204 87.20% CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom + 12.80% I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
4.62001622 33.80% Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany + 66.20% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
4.66711964 93.80% CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom + 6.20% I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
4.82119522 0.40% ARM_Karashamb_LBA:I19345_y-T1a1a1b2b_mt-J1d6 + 99.60% CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
4.89606474 64.60% SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary + 35.40% I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
4.96557340 53.80% ALB_Mdv:I14622_y-T1a2b1_mt-H11a + 46.20% I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
5.02448704 28.80% ARM_Karashamb_LBA:I19345_y-T1a1a1b2b_mt-J1d6 + 71.20% I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
5.17637059 75.00% R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome + 25.00% VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
5.23408596 33.20% TUR_Marmara_İznik_Basilica_RomByz_A:I14799_y-T1a2b1a1_mt-I1 + 66.80% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
5.54162863 56.20% ALB_Mdv:I14622_y-T1a2b1_mt-H11a + 43.80% I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
5.65336252 55.80% ALB_Mdv:I14622_y-T1a2b1_mt-H11a + 44.20% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
5.70409037 33.60% TUR_BlackSea_Samsun_Anc_A:I4530_y-T1a2b1a1_mt-U3a2a1 + 66.40% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
5.74454003 30.80% TUR_Aegean_Muğla_Stratonikeia_Byz:I20143_y-T1a2_mt-J1b3b1 + 69.20% I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
5.82851171 81.60% SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary + 18.40% VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
5.86236854 67.80% SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary + 32.20% I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
5.95858740 36.00% ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic + 64.00% VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
6.02724356 42.80% I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern + 57.20% I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
23andme gives me only two y T distant relatives:
T-M70 - N. Frassanito - … there’s is a seaside small village near Otranto (Salento) called Frassanito.
T-CTS8512 - C. Vecchio - San Marzano di San Giuseppe, Apulia, Italy
… my only two 23andme y T DNA Relatives are T1a and T1a1, though I’m T1a2 ! … weird.
I have zero...unless I am looking in the wrong place
… go to the 23andme site, go to DNA Relatives and click the filter, click the Haplogroups and then type: T-
… see the image on my previous post.
good luck :)
I have v3 version
I do not have haplogroups in the filter...have
notifications
profiles
mother/father side
ancestor birthplaces
connections
family names
that is it
one of my sons V4 version is the same
I have the v5, … you’re lucky, your v3 raw-data is better than my v5 on GedMatch style calculators.
Gedmatch
using 20cm size
Bolzan from Fonte-Alto Veneto
Louis Lello ( USA ) ancestor from Veneto Alps............2nd cousin twice removed - 5th cousin?
Giaochino D'Acqua from Valle de Agordo - Provincia de Belluno - Itália
Nascimben from Veneto
Bolzan and Lello are maternal side
Lello is from Tresche Ronca Veneto........................Treschè Conca is a village in Vicenza and has about 506 residents
......................
others are Paternal
Nascimben from Silea Veneto ( name Silea changed to Melma , once Veneto went under Italy )
forgot one
Vendrasco ( paternal side ) from Ceneda in Veneto..................Ceneda now called Vittorio Veneto
Silea
Silea, a suburb that takes
its hydrotoponym from the river Sile, the reason why Treviso and these villages
were located there. It was first mentioned by Pliny the Elder in his Naturalis
Historia (as Silis)
maybe Italy did not like Pliny. LOL
Vernacular place names in Venetian cartography
(17th-18th centuries): a case study
Arianna Lorenzon✳
Pliny the Elder was the commander of the Roman Navy rescue ships during the 79 AD Vesuvius eruption, he died in that event trying to save the people and his friends , … he sacrificed his life for them.
… we like him :)
@Salento
an ancestor of Thomas Jefferson Davis (1862 - 1926) has DNA .......result T-CTS3767 ( T1a2 branch )
his father ...Andrew Jackson Davis Sr. (1830 - 1910) and wife was Louisa Owen
his father ...Robert A Davis (1801 - 1852) and wife Augusta Ann Shumate
Isaac Davis II (1754 - 1835) and wife Elizabeth Kirtley
he was Born 9 Jun 1754 in Albemarle County, Colony and Dominion of Virginia
Isaac Oliver Davis (1710 - 1805) and wife Sarah Elizabeth Winston
to finally....... Daniel Samuel Davis
Born 1677 in Saint Andrews, Fife, Scotland
Cool, … … …
where do you get this from ?Cool, … then it means that Thomas Jefferson could be T1a2 too, y T isn’t popular, He’s one of us
as far as i know he is T1a1
The one I presented was born during the civil war
I read it wrong, … I was at a red light, lol
… traffic light.
oh
no excuse.................unless it was a Red Light district ......hehe
Polar Bears outnumber our y T finals by a lot, … whatever it takes, … lol
the person tested on 23andme
check the haplogroups for T-CTS3767 as your have V5 version
will send person name privately
Another T1a2 test result
T1a2-Y6033
Felipe Araújo
Massapê, Ceara, Brazil
Messapê ? …Apulian connection? Or Maybe it means something different in Brazilian / Portuguese.
surname seems fabricated
Portuguese and Galician: habitational name from any of various places called Araújo in Portugal
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