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    Haplogorups have absolutely nothing to do with looks and please never write such crazy stuff here again. I am J2a4h and look like a mix of South and Eastern European, my brother is also J2a4h and looks like a mix between Eastern and Central European. I look like the Mom of my Dad(also like my Dad,but the look comes from her) and my brother looks like the Mom of Mom,so both of us look like persons in our family which do not even have y haplogorups. We look like all people in our line, including the women and the men which gene we do not carry,so linking haplogorups to looks is crazy. In 23andme the lighest Bulgarians are E-V13,R1a and J2, the darkest G2a and I2a, this of course means nothing. But lets not speak about looks here. Cheers :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    Haplogorups have absolutely nothing to do with looks and please never write such crazy stuff here again. I am J2a4h and look like a mix of South and Eastern European, my brother is also J2a4h and looks like a mix between Eastern and Central European. I look like the Mom of my Dad(also like my Dad,but the look comes from her) and my brother looks like the Mom of Mom,so both of us look like persons in our family which do not even have y haplogorups. We look like all people in our line, including the women and the men which gene we do not carry,so linking haplogorups to looks is crazy. In 23andme the lighest Bulgarians are E-V13,R1a and J2, the darkest G2a and I2a, this of course means nothing. But lets not speak about looks here. Cheers :)
    which post are you referencing this comment on?
    or do you have the wrong thread
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    I meant the guy T, from Italy Adamo I think was his name, linking black hair and olive skin to haplogorups I would search for the post and also I am saying to him so he knows it has nothing to do, not in a bad way :)

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    Here is what he wrote :
    I'm one of those Italians that has jet black hair and olive skin so naturally I always suspected I had some form of Assyrian or Mesopotamian influence in my blood. I was surprised that I don't harbour the J-M172 lineage (haplogroup j2) as this is the typical northern middle-eastern Fertile Crescent haplogroup,( it is also found in 20-25% of italian men.) instead, belonging to hg T this is MUCH rarer ( 4% of Italians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    I meant the guy T, from Italy Adamo I think was his name, linking black hair and olive skin to haplogorups I would search for the post and also I am saying to him so he knows it has nothing to do, not in a bad way :)
    i agree that hair and eye colour has nothing to do with haplogroups. my paternal line which is T has a majority of green, grey or blue eyes, some blond and some black, but majority light brown hair.

    The only thing that could make some sense on hair colour is , the further east one goes the more black hair dominates.

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    That's correct to a certain degree because one can inherit from either or both family sides loll

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    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/832/imageqxwu.jpg/ Link to global prevalence map of haplogroup T, can someone downloaded it and post it on the site please cant do with iPad lol.

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    Can u see it ? T.jpg

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    Yes! Thank you yaan! : ) these are the only zones on the genographic project 2.0 map that have hg T. It's all yellow zones, or about 10% maybe 15%. It seems it arrived from Africa to northern Saudi Arabia, where one branch split to south-central Iraq and the other to Egypt. The Egypt branch later brought T to the Horn of Africa. On this map, from what I can see, are covered most of Egypt, south/central Iraq, stretches of northern Saudi Arabia and all of Jordan.

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    Sure :) But there is two kinds right?
    One is big in Somalia and Ethiopia and Arabs and the other kind(u) is 1-4 % in South Europe and parts of Middle East,Jews ,Switzerland and Austria right?

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    We would have to consult Zanipolo for more information on this, he knows more than I do on this haplogroup, but yes there is T1 and T2, T2 is the African variety I believe, T1 is found in Middle East parts of Europe, all of this at low frequencies of course. Hopefully he will log on soon and takeaway look at the map : ) from my own personal speculations though I see a link between T and wandering north Arabian Bedouin people's such as the Quraish tribe in which many men are hg T, in the Hejaz regions of western Red Sea Arabia. Many Jordanians are hg T and they are a Hashemite kingdom as many wandering Arabs where in those areas also and Hashemites are linked to Mecca and the prophet Muhammad.
    Last edited by adamo; 29-04-13 at 08:49.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    We would have to consult Zanipolo for more information on this, he knows more than I do on this haplogroup, but yes there is T1 and T2, T2 is the African variety I believe, T1 is found in Middle East parts of Europe, all of this at low frequencies of course. Hopefully he will log on soon and takeaway look at the map : ) from my own personal speculations though I see a link between T and wandering north Arabian Bedouin people's such as the Quraish tribe in which many men are hg T, in the Hejaz regions of western Red Sea Arabia. Many Jordanians are hg T and they are a Hashemite kingdom as many wandering Arabs where in those areas also and Hashemites are linked to Mecca and the prophet Muhammad.
    I gave you the link on post #9

    There is no African variety , the T marker is west-asian ( Russian claim it to be central asian ), basically Iran ( Persia)

    what is T1 and T2?

    pre 2008 T was known k2
    then it became T1 , T2 and T3 ..........T1 ended up being a private line and disused, T2 became T1a and T3 became T1b.

    Now from last year, T1a became T1a1 and T1b became T1a2
    and T1a3 was introduced a Kuwait Saudi arabian line ...a line said to be the Thomas Jefferson line

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    @adamo

    whats this one-eyed focus on being Jordanian because they have a higher percentage?

    T is a very old marker and would have been more likely a hunter-gatherer marker along with G and others.

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    I don't know lol genographic project told me 20% of Jordanians. Didn't say anything about Persia, and the map as you saw has no T in Iran. So if I'm T1a1 that means I'm T1a? It says I'm M70 then next I'm L299 mutation. (T1a1). What does all that mean? And I'm T-PF7443 whatever that is, where is that found or originate from? That subclade

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    I don't know lol genographic project told me 20% of Jordanians. Didn't say anything about Persia, and the map as you saw has no T in Iran. So if I'm T1a1 that means I'm T1a? It says I'm M70 then next I'm L299 mutation. (T1a1). What does all that mean? And I'm T-PF7443 whatever that is, where is that found or originate from? That subclade
    The base for T is M184, out of this is M70
    PF7443 ?.....is this correct or is it PF7463

    Where did you get this map?

    northern iranian 2012 percentages of Ydna
    Eb1b1b1a1a (9.5%)
    E1b1b1c (1.6%)
    G2a* (1.6%)
    G2a* (3.2%)
    G2a3b2 (1.6%)
    G2c (1.6%)
    J1c3 ( 4.8%)
    J2a* (4.8%)
    J2a3 (4.8%)
    J2a3a (4.8%)
    J2a3b (3.2%)
    J2a3h (3.2%)
    L* (1.6%)
    L1 (1.6%)
    L3 (1.6%)
    N (1.6%)
    Q1a2 (1.6%)
    Q1a3% (1.6%)
    Q1b1 (1.6%)
    R1a1a (19.0%)
    R1b (3.2%)
    R1b1a2* (1.6%)
    R1b1a2a* (12.7%)
    T (7.9%)


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    No it is M184 then M70 then I'm L299. ( T1a1) I'm very well T-PF7443 and NOT T-PF7463. The map I posted above on this thread is my genographic 2.0 haplogroup T map.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    No it is M184 then M70 then I'm L299. ( T1a1) I'm very well T-PF7443 and NOT T-PF7463. The map I posted above on this thread is my genographic 2.0 haplogroup T map.
    is this genographic 2.0 a company ? because I have never seen this type of map in FTDNA, 23andme and Nat geno

    PF7443 does not exist in ISOGG which has all markers up to date
    the closest markers for T from NAt geno complete SNP testing for T is:
    PF7460, PF7463, PF7464, PF7465, PF7466, PF7480


    and last update is
    Added PF5547, PF5596, PF5597, PF5618, PF5621, PF5626, PF5629, PF5631, PF5636, PF5637, PF5641, PF5646, PF5651, PF5655, PF7447, PF7471, PF7472 on 11 February 2013,

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    The national geographics genographic project 2.0 I had my DNA analyzed and this is the frequency map they gave me for my hg T. Seems to be spread at 10% across much of Egypt, northern Saudi Arabia, Jordan and south-central Iraq if you ask me.

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    M70 defines T1. It is suggested the older hg T was overwhelmed across the Middle East by incoming E, J and G males. So what doesit mean if I'm PF7443? I'm the only one in the project with this SNP. Hg t seems to be rampant across Saudi Arabia with the Quraish tribes of Mohammad in the Najd/Hejaz regions of north-west/central Arabia in particular having much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    The national geographics genographic project 2.0 I had my DNA analyzed and this is the frequency map they gave me for my hg T. Seems to be spread at 10% across much of Egypt, northern Saudi Arabia, Jordan and south-central Iraq if you ask me.
    Did they designate you as Greek for #1 ?, because Nat Geno use DNATribes and there is no south Italian, south Italian is under the term Greek ( from naples to silcily)

    I am also surprised they gave you only a H for mtDna as their policy is to give you a subclade as they detect all your maternal SNPs

    I can put you in contact with a T project guy who specialises in T in mesopatamia / arabian areas. He is with 23andme but is also active in FTDNA. He actually looked at mine in detail and lumped me in a project called Atlantic-T .

    Let me know and I will give you his email address , he will ask you to register with 23andme ( no fee) to discuss in their forums just the T for middle east, he will also present you with a migrational area/zones of your line

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    I would be honoured to have his email, thanks zanipolo you are a god! : ) yes they only designated me as "H" for some reason, and my admixture of haplogroups was clustered as "Georgian" for some reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    I would be honoured to have his email, thanks zanipolo you are a god! : ) yes they only designated me as "H" for some reason, and my admixture of haplogroups was clustered as "Georgian" for some reason...
    email address sent to you privately.

    hmm Georgian...not Bulkar or Azeri

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    The assignment of regional affiliation is less precise I suppose, but with y-DNA T and mtdna H I was apparently classified nearest to Georgians...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    So I guess even though haplogroup T is found in maybe 10-13% of Assyrians, 10% of Druze people, 8% of Armenians, OVERALL it is found abundantly in a large number of these men from West Asia. This is in a sense the global maximum. It seems less to be found in entire populations and more to be found in certain isolated Middle East communities. Where the haplogroup T men overwhelmed or destroyed by haplogroup J1-J2 men and other more common Middle East lineages? Where their levels ALWAYS this low even in the " highest frequencies" of the Middle East? What about Jordan with its massive 21% of T, why all the T in this isolated pocket? Could this be the radiation point, the home of T? I know that T got to the Horn of Africa (Ethiopia and Somalia) from Egypt (and then subsequently to Fulbe of Cameroon from Horn of Africa) and it got to high percentage but small isolated pockets of India from the Iranian peninsula but can Jordan be the home of all T? I believe so but this is conflicting because the sister haplogroup of T , haplogroup L only significantly overlaps with T ( even if at, again, low percentages) in Iran thus symbolizing this may be the origin point of T , In Iran, a little more far out from the central Fertile Crescent (Iraq). This is evident if I look at maps of both haplogroup T and L, they overlaps in Iran, albeit, even if at unsatisfiyingly low percentages
    Could T group be the result of the Umayyad Empire family. It spread from Iran to Spain (which match the t haplogroup map) and when it was taken over by the Abbasid one they were chased and executed massively. That could explain the spread and the low population. I also think so because many of the Arab families whos known from that family are T1 haplogroup.

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    I keep looking and re-looking at my T results on genographic project; the three action ally highest frequencies of T are Jordan (15-20%) Egypt (10-20%) Somalia ( 15-20%, a middle eastern backdraft arriving in Africa via Egypt) and Iraq with accounts varying from 7-15%. There are many T's though across Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Middle East in general and even in Europe , all at much lo wer frequencies, the % getting lower as we move away from Arabia/ Fertile Crescent, although there are bizarre higher pockets across Europe, such as Chios island, campania Italy, 10% across parts of central Italy or weird minuscule 20% zones in Austria/Bavaria, 20% on south-western Sicily, a few 5-8% hotspots on Iberian peninsula etc. but Jordan,Egypt, Iraq,Somalia, highest national levels probably; to me it originated in Jordan by the Red Sea, where it was linked to ancient Phoenicians.

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