Y dna haplogroup T

No it is M184 then M70 then I'm L299. ( T1a1) I'm very well T-PF7443 and NOT T-PF7463. The map I posted above on this thread is my genographic 2.0 haplogroup T map.
 
adamo said:
No it is M184 then M70 then I'm L299. ( T1a1) I'm very well T-PF7443 and NOT T-PF7463. The map I posted above on this thread is my genographic 2.0 haplogroup T map.
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is this genographic 2.0 a company ? because I have never seen this type of map in FTDNA, 23andme and Nat geno

PF7443 does not exist in ISOGG which has all markers up to date
the closest markers for T from NAt geno complete SNP testing for T is:
PF7460, PF7463, PF7464, PF7465, PF7466, PF7480


and last update is
Added PF5547, PF5596, PF5597, PF5618, PF5621, PF5626, PF5629, PF5631, PF5636, PF5637, PF5641, PF5646, PF5651, PF5655, PF7447, PF7471, PF7472 on 11 February 2013,
 
The national geographics genographic project 2.0 I had my DNA analyzed and this is the frequency map they gave me for my hg T. Seems to be spread at 10% across much of Egypt, northern Saudi Arabia, Jordan and south-central Iraq if you ask me.
 
M70 defines T1. It is suggested the older hg T was overwhelmed across the Middle East by incoming E, J and G males. So what doesit mean if I'm PF7443? I'm the only one in the project with this SNP. Hg t seems to be rampant across Saudi Arabia with the Quraish tribes of Mohammad in the Najd/Hejaz regions of north-west/central Arabia in particular having much.
 
adamo said:
The national geographics genographic project 2.0 I had my DNA analyzed and this is the frequency map they gave me for my hg T. Seems to be spread at 10% across much of Egypt, northern Saudi Arabia, Jordan and south-central Iraq if you ask me.
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Did they designate you as Greek for #1 ?, because Nat Geno use DNATribes and there is no south Italian, south Italian is under the term Greek ( from naples to silcily)

I am also surprised they gave you only a H for mtDna as their policy is to give you a subclade as they detect all your maternal SNPs

I can put you in contact with a T project guy who specialises in T in mesopatamia / arabian areas. He is with 23andme but is also active in FTDNA. He actually looked at mine in detail and lumped me in a project called Atlantic-T .

Let me know and I will give you his email address , he will ask you to register with 23andme ( no fee) to discuss in their forums just the T for middle east, he will also present you with a migrational area/zones of your line
 
I would be honoured to have his email, thanks zanipolo you are a god! : ) yes they only designated me as "H" for some reason, and my admixture of haplogroups was clustered as "Georgian" for some reason...
 
adamo said:
I would be honoured to have his email, thanks zanipolo you are a god! : ) yes they only designated me as "H" for some reason, and my admixture of haplogroups was clustered as "Georgian" for some reason...
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email address sent to you privately.

hmm Georgian...not Bulkar or Azeri
 
The assignment of regional affiliation is less precise I suppose, but with y-DNA T and mtdna H I was apparently classified nearest to Georgians...lol
 
adamo said:
So I guess even though haplogroup T is found in maybe 10-13% of Assyrians, 10% of Druze people, 8% of Armenians, OVERALL it is found abundantly in a large number of these men from West Asia. This is in a sense the global maximum. It seems less to be found in entire populations and more to be found in certain isolated Middle East communities. Where the haplogroup T men overwhelmed or destroyed by haplogroup J1-J2 men and other more common Middle East lineages? Where their levels ALWAYS this low even in the " highest frequencies" of the Middle East? What about Jordan with its massive 21% of T, why all the T in this isolated pocket? Could this be the radiation point, the home of T? I know that T got to the Horn of Africa (Ethiopia and Somalia) from Egypt (and then subsequently to Fulbe of Cameroon from Horn of Africa) and it got to high percentage but small isolated pockets of India from the Iranian peninsula but can Jordan be the home of all T? I believe so but this is conflicting because the sister haplogroup of T , haplogroup L only significantly overlaps with T ( even if at, again, low percentages) in Iran thus symbolizing this may be the origin point of T , In Iran, a little more far out from the central Fertile Crescent (Iraq). This is evident if I look at maps of both haplogroup T and L, they overlaps in Iran, albeit, even if at unsatisfiyingly low percentages
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Could T group be the result of the Umayyad Empire family. It spread from Iran to Spain (which match the t haplogroup map) and when it was taken over by the Abbasid one they were chased and executed massively. That could explain the spread and the low population. I also think so because many of the Arab families whos known from that family are T1 haplogroup.
 
I keep looking and re-looking at my T results on genographic project; the three action ally highest frequencies of T are Jordan (15-20%) Egypt (10-20%) Somalia ( 15-20%, a middle eastern backdraft arriving in Africa via Egypt) and Iraq with accounts varying from 7-15%. There are many T's though across Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Middle East in general and even in Europe , all at much lo wer frequencies, the % getting lower as we move away from Arabia/ Fertile Crescent, although there are bizarre higher pockets across Europe, such as Chios island, campania Italy, 10% across parts of central Italy or weird minuscule 20% zones in Austria/Bavaria, 20% on south-western Sicily, a few 5-8% hotspots on Iberian peninsula etc. but Jordan,Egypt, Iraq,Somalia, highest national levels probably; to me it originated in Jordan by the Red Sea, where it was linked to ancient Phoenicians.
 
adamo said:
I keep looking and re-looking at my T results on genographic project; the three action ally highest frequencies of T are Jordan (15-20%) Egypt (10-20%) Somalia ( 15-20%, a middle eastern backdraft arriving in Africa via Egypt) and Iraq with accounts varying from 7-15%. There are many T's though across Saudi Arabia, Oman, the Middle East in general and even in Europe , all at much lo wer frequencies, the % getting lower as we move away from Arabia/ Fertile Crescent, although there are bizarre higher pockets across Europe, such as Chios island, campania Italy, 10% across parts of central Italy or weird minuscule 20% zones in Austria/Bavaria, 20% on south-western Sicily, a few 5-8% hotspots on Iberian peninsula etc. but Jordan,Egypt, Iraq,Somalia, highest national levels probably; to me it originated in Jordan by the Red Sea, where it was linked to ancient Phoenicians.
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I 'm very amazed when looking at the Y-T distribution (it seems effectively we are speaking about Y DNA and not mt DNA):
some hotpots very far one from another very often near to sea shores, except in some points - the spread suggests founder effects of maritime populations - in Europe, Jews could be important in the inland spreading -Phoenicians could be ONE of the spreaders, but the total distribution don't allow me to tell ALL Y-T were linked to Phoenicia - Switzerland is a problem, because it knew cardial and post-cardial arrivals by Rhône river from Provence and Mediterranea, and TOO surely some heavy persence of Jews so, a more precise SNPs based analysis is needed -
 
I don't think hg-T is linked to Jews, the only high frequency is found in Tras O Montes Portuguese Jews (15%). Maximum frequencies: Jordan (20%) Egypt (16%) Iraq (13%) near Anatolia (10-13% Assyrian populations) Horn of Africa (Somalia 13%) Oman (10%) also in Kurdish Jews (20%) Iraqi Jews (18%) Iranian Jews (14%) (some Jewish diasporas have it) island of Chios off turkey (20%) Samsun (Turkish village) 20% Sicily (5-17%) small pocket of southern Bavaria (20%) small spots across south-central Italy can have up to 10%, Balearics islands off Iberian coast (15%); really weirdly distributed haplogroup, my genographic results are my reference for all this by the way, T may have originated, in my opinion, either on the iranian plateau, Jordan right by the Red Sea near Egypt, or maybe even near northern Saudi Arabia.
 
To me personally, haplogroup T is linked to the Phoenicians, as it is found in southwestern Sicily, Ibiza, Corsica, the Egyptian coast; all areas where Phoenician maritime expansion took place. The ancestors of Phoenicians where the Canaanites. The Persians account is that the Phoenicians originally came from the erythrean sea (modern Persian gulf, eastern Arabia.) near Bahrain or east-central Arabia southern Iraq southwestern Iran region (Persian gulf). The Greeks for example, spoke of two islands Tylos and Aradus (modern day Bahrain) which boasted they where the motherland of the semitic Phoenicians and held ancient relics of Phoenician/Canaanite temples. The Phoenicians of Tyre in particular had long maintained their ancient Persian gulf origins. They moved from the Persian gulf region towards the Levantine coast near modern day Lebanon/Jordan.
 
MOESAN said:
I 'm very amazed when looking at the Y-T distribution (it seems effectively we are speaking about Y DNA and not mt DNA):
some hotpots very far one from another very often near to sea shores, except in some points - the spread suggests founder effects of maritime populations - in Europe, Jews could be important in the inland spreading -Phoenicians could be ONE of the spreaders, but the total distribution don't allow me to tell ALL Y-T were linked to Phoenicia - Switzerland is a problem, because it knew cardial and post-cardial arrivals by Rhône river from Provence and Mediterranea, and TOO surely some heavy persence of Jews so, a more precise SNPs based analysis is needed -
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Originally T came from K2 which came from K. K came from south Asia, of which the oldest K9 went to south-east Asia and Australia. From south-asia K2-M184 went and settled Iran and parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan. M70 a branch of M184 was created (as per these scientists) in the Pamir Knot area, from there the M70 branched out north of the Caspian sea, and south of the Caspian sea. This southern branch arrived in Kurdish/Assyrian areas...from there it went to Europe.
The northern branch went to estonia ( some say cimmeranians had some T ) then gotland, sweden, norway and the faroe and orkney islands. ( there is a paper on this )

The funny thing is that the Greeks say the Dorians came from Pamir in the Himalayas , they migrated along the south Anatolian coast and settled in Samos, Chios, Rhodes, Crete, south Peloponnese and Corfu.......they all hold T ydna haplogroup. The came about 1200BC ( bronze-age migrations )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pamir_Mountains
 
Zanipolo you deserve a medal for that post, awesome.
 
So T originated in the Afghanistan/Tajikistan region?
 
So shouldn't more tests be done on Tajiks, afghans, Iranians, Pakistanis? If this is where T first came from, is there any data on these regions or is data especially scarce over there.
 
According to my genographic project, hg T is linked to emirian and kebaran culture of the levant (Syria,Palestine,Lebanon) area during the upper/middle Paleolithic.
 
Does anyone have info on T1a1 (L299) also known as T-M320 in particular? It's downstream from M70 (T1) and T1a.
 
adamo said:
So T originated in the Afghanistan/Tajikistan region?
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Tajiks are persian and not afghan people, basically NE persian
 
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