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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    ALL T have = T-M184 marker: 3% in Jordan, 5% in Lebanon, Armenian Sasuntzis 21%, Zoroastrians Persians 13%, SW Armenians/Cilicia 12%.

    90% of T have T-M70+ : 28% (7/25) of Lezginians , 16% Assyrians

    Also depends on which of the 2 main branches you inquiring about.

    I seen claims of 22% for jordanians, but I have never seen this
    Thank you, Sile.

    My father-in-law is of Spanish descent and is T-M70 of the alpha cluster. We are somewhat swayed by the Phoenician/Mediterranean story that National Geno has presented, but I guess there is a possibility of Jewish descent or perhaps even Moorish descent. I would like to get some kind of inclination but I have no idea what's most likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Thank you, Sile.

    My father-in-law is of Spanish descent and is T-M70 of the alpha cluster. We are somewhat swayed by the Phoenician/Mediterranean story that National Geno has presented, but I guess there is a possibility of Jewish descent or perhaps even Moorish descent. I would like to get some kind of inclination but I have no idea what's most likely.
    T-M70 splits in 2 in old Anatolia, with T1a1 being mostly southern and T1a2 being mostly northern european.

    A person named Humanist on another forum specializes in assyrian Y-dna and T for assyrians is 16%. Assyrians would be also northern lebanese. If this is the link with Phoenicians you seek. Then again phoenicians where in ancient egypt to

    maybe your ancestor was like the USA president Thomas , from ancient Egypt to Iberia to Wales
    có che un pòpoło no 'l defende pi ła só łéngua el xe prónto par èser s'ciavo

    when a people no longer dares to defend its language it is ripe for slavery.

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    T is not very present in Lebanon (3-5%). As for Jordan, I've seen frequencies between 3 and 21%. The genographic project claims 15-20% T for Jordanians. I've seen studies of 3 to 12% for Palestinians, 8-15% of Egyptians, 6-13% of Iraqis, 13% of Turkish Kurds, but it seems more present in Iraqi Jews, iranian Jews and Kurdish Jews 14-22%. Also found at 12-15% frequencies across much of southwestern Iran.

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    It is found in many Jewish diaspora groups predominantly Iraqi Jews (22%), Kurdish Jews (18%) and Iranian Jews (14%). It is also found in north Portuguese Jews 15%). Oddly enough, T is rare in Israel itself and in nearby Lebanon and Syria. T is present, but at very low frequencies (3%) in Ashkenazi Jews. To counter this "Jewish" origin link, some 20% of Hashemite Arab Jordanians, also have T. It is a marker present in Assyrian (16%) and Turkish Kurd (13%) populations. It can also be found in many Iranian men.

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    according to this map T1a has a more assyrian distribution originating from north-central Iran, pushing to Armenia/Azerbaijan and then spilling into anatolia slightly and the levant (syrians,Lebanese) spilling into egypt and parts of arabia as well. WHEREAS T3 seems to radiate from anatolia from where it spilt into saudi arabians, kuwaitis and bakhtiaris in the middle east.

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    T2 VARIETY (L162,L208,L1117): 90% of north-central Iranians (high diversity/age) 50% of southern Iranians, 100% of Azerbaijani T, 100% OF armenian (high diversity and age), 100% of Lurs people, 100% of Chechen, 100% of syrian and 92% of Lebanese T is T1a. 100% of Druze, 75% of Egyptian and 90% of Ethiopian. About 57% of Saudi Arabian(high diversity), 75% of Omanian, and 82% of T near Dubai (high diversity). Also about 45% of Turkish T is T2. T1a probably originated in north-central Iran, moved near Urartu (the Armenia/Azerbaijan area) and then dipped towards syria/Lebanon, continuing across the levant/Canaan region and penetrating Africa to reach the Horn of Africa. T3 on the other hand, originated later on, in Turkey. it would move south to many saudi arabian, kuwaiti and bakhtiari bedouin tribes.

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    I got my 23andme test back...............I still think FtDna is far superior.

    anyway here goes .



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    conservative numbers ABOVE
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    99.9% European


    Southern European
    33.2% Italian
    2.4% Iberian
    1.0% Balkan
    0.0% Sardinian
    16.2% Nonspecific Southern European

    Northern European
    22.6% French and German
    0.8% British and Irish
    0.0% Scandinavian
    0.0% Finnish
    17.2% Nonspecific Northern European

    1.2% Eastern European
    0.1% Ashkenazi
    5.1% Nonspecific European

    0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.1% North African
    0.0% Middle Eastern
    0.0% Nonspecific Middle Eastern & North African
    0.0% Sub-Saharan African

    0.0% South Asian
    0.0% East Asian & Native American
    0.0% East Asian

    0.0% Native American
    0.0% Nonspecific East Asian & Native American

    0.0% Oceanian
    < 0.1% Unassigned

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    I got my 23andme test back...............I still think FtDna is far superior.

    anyway here goes .



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    conservative numbers ABOVE
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    speculative numbers BELOW

    below is me
    99.9% European


    Southern European
    33.2% Italian
    2.4% Iberian
    1.0% Balkan
    0.0% Sardinian
    16.2% Nonspecific Southern European

    Northern European
    22.6% French and German
    0.8% British and Irish
    0.0% Scandinavian
    0.0% Finnish
    17.2% Nonspecific Northern European

    1.2% Eastern European
    0.1% Ashkenazi
    5.1% Nonspecific European

    0.1% Middle Eastern & North African
    0.1% North African
    0.0% Middle Eastern
    0.0% Nonspecific Middle Eastern & North African
    0.0% Sub-Saharan African

    0.0% South Asian
    0.0% East Asian & Native American
    0.0% East Asian

    0.0% Native American
    0.0% Nonspecific East Asian & Native American

    0.0% Oceanian
    < 0.1% Unassigned
    T Migrational map and theory by project managers a year ago



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    It seems to be present in Italy mostly where Phoenicians settled. For example, many T samples are from Palermo (ancient Phoenician "Ziz", was passed on to succeeding Carthaginians). Mazara del vallo (anciently Phoenician city of Mazar) ,there was also much Phoenician presence near Sciacca.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    It seems to be present in Italy mostly where Phoenicians settled. For example, many T samples are from Palermo (ancient Phoenician "Ziz", was passed on to succeeding Carthaginians). Mazara del vallo (anciently Phoenician city of Mazar) ,there was also much Phoenician presence near Sciacca.
    The chart is from 2010 to May 2013, it a combination of older name markers and new ones, so here is a summary of the markers.

    All T1a1* + T2 = modern T1a1a ( ie P77 branch)

    All T1a2 + T1b = modern T1a2a ( ie L131 branch )

    All T1a3 = the new find from May 2013

    All T1a* = mix of the top 2 branches

    I agree with you on the Phoenicians
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    Do you know what sub group of HG T Thomas Jefferson had?

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    Jefferson was T1a.

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    using y-predictor, below is Thomas Jefferson

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    What is weird is that 3.8 out of 10 Kazakhs from the Altai region have hg T. And 10% of Tuvinians from Kyzl near Northern Mongolia have T as well.

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    It's interesting to note some of the youngest branches of T are found in Gaziantep, Adana, Diyarbakir, Harran, Latakia on the Turko-Syrian border.

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    It can also be found in areas of a turkey such as Antalya, Van in the Kurdish eastern regions, Sivas etc.

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    antalya has 13.3% since tested in 2012 and not the 3.3% as previously noted.

    why the russians believe T-M184 is origin of babylonian and that T-M70 is central asian.

    Kazakhs Kazakh (Turkic) Kosh-Agachski Raion 19/49 38.8% [7] K(xL, NOP). According to Dulik 2011 only T fit.
    Tuvinians Tuvan (Turkic) Kyzyl and Ubsunur Hollow 10/102 9.8% [8]

    Haplogroup T-M184 is not associated with the R1, G and J lineages that entered Africa from Eurasia relatively recently. Luis et al. (2004) suggest that the presence of the clade on the African continent may, like R1* representatives, point to an older introduction from Asia. The Levant rather than the Arabian Peninsula appears to have been the main route of entry, as the Egyptian and Turkish haplotypes are considerably older in age (13,700 ybp and 9,000 ybp, respectively) than those found in Oman (only 1,600 ybp).

    The distribution of haplogroup T-M184 in most parts of Europe is patchy or regionalized; for example, haplogroup T-M184 was found in 1.7% (10/591) of a pool of six samples of males from southwestern Russia, but it was completely absent from a pool of eight samples totalling 637 individuals from the northern half of European Russia.[6] The Russians from the southwest were from the following cities: Roslavl, Livny, Pristen, Repyevka, and Belgorod; and Kuban Cossacks from the Republic of Adygea.

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    Ok so ....I don't get it; is it the Babylonian ones or the central asian guys?

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    Or did it simultaneously spring up among Babylonians in particular and central Asians as well?

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    So please explain to me how it happened geographically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adamo View Post
    Ok so ....I don't get it; is it the Babylonian ones or the central asian guys?
    M184 the base ( fountation) of T formed with the Babylonians/Mesopotamians in the Tigris valley as per ancestry, nat geo and others companies stated, the M70 line formed in the pamir mountain areas, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan areas .
    so, everyone states T is west-asian ( justified IMO ) because of the babylonian area and its founder M184, but russians state its central-asian because M70 ( which is 90% of all T ) was created east of the caspian sea.

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    Antalya is 13.3% T1 haplogroup . the ancient people there where called the Lycians . Under the leadership of Sarpedon they travelled to support the trojans in their wars agaunst the myceneans.
    - Hittites could never conquer their lands
    - They where renowned as being great sailors and pirates.
    - Ancient tales state they originated from Crete and where originally a branch of the minoans.

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    So every man with T-M70 has an ancestor that traveled out further than the caspiann which makes sense, because L is found at 10-15% across Pakistan, southern India, and Tajikistan has like 10%, Iran like 5% and T neighboured L but slightly more to the west of Pakistan, towards neighbouring countries to the west.

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