Y dna haplogroup T

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You saw the paper and I didn’t, … I won’t challenge it, I’ll go with the flow, but I’m skeptical of it !

I doubt these T1a1 as well .............though the Hittites did come from modern armenia/georgia area before entering Anatolia/Asia Minor


BTW....there is chit chat that our T1a2 in on the north side of the black sea in origin ( proto-scyhians )................I will get more information

 

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one-to-one - S vs CL23 and SZ36

… at 60 SNPs (as for MTA) minimum segments threshold size, … input cM as needed as to get lowest results:

 

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1-to-1 … 60 SNPs, cM as needed.

S vs Latin R850 - Romans R120 and R1543

 

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One-to-One … 60 SNPs, cM as needed

… S vs VK17 and VK398:

 

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one-to-one - S vs CL23 and SZ36

… at 60 SNPs (as for MTA) minimum segments threshold size, … input cM as needed as to get lowest results:

what are we doing here ?

 

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what are we doing here ?

I’m using MTA Deep Dive settings (60 SNPs) on GedMatch One-to-One, and trying to get a “minimum” result:

… on GedMatch “One-to-One Autosomal DNA Comparison”, input the Ancient Kit ID and Yours,

… Write 60 where it says: “SNP window size threshold. Leave blank for default to vary dynamically between 200-400”,

… run it! … if no results go back and Write 6 where it says: “Minimum segment cM size to be included in total: (Must be at least 3 cm. Leave blank for default value = 7)”,

… run it again, … if no results go back and change it to 5, … if no results go back and lower to 4 or 3 and run it,

… if still no results go back, and add a 3 where it says: “Size (in SNPs) of Mismatch-Bunching limit. (Leave blank for default mismatch eval window / 2)” and run it again.

… good luck lol

… for example: me vs R1 … see the settings in the red squares that I had to use to get results with the 60 SNPs threshold.

 

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I’m using MTA Deep Dive settings (60 SNPs) on GedMatch One-to-One, and trying to get a “minimum” result:

… on GedMatch “One-to-One Autosomal DNA Comparison”, input the Ancient Kit ID and Yours,

… Write 60 where it says: “SNP window size threshold. Leave blank for default to vary dynamically between 200-400”,

… run it! … if no results go back and Write 6 where it says: “Minimum segment cM size to be included in total: (Must be at least 3 cm. Leave blank for default value = 7)”,

… run it again, … if no results go back and change it to 5, … if no results go back and lower to 4 or 3 and run it,

… if still no results go back, and add a 3 where it says: “Size (in SNPs) of Mismatch-Bunching limit. (Leave blank for default mismatch eval window / 2)” and run it again.

… good luck lol

… for example: me vs R1 … see the settings in the red squares that I had to use to get results with the 60 SNPs threshold.

for myself .v. R1
all chr used except 3, 6, 9 and 12

Largest segment = 6.5 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 123.3cM (3.437 Pct)

33 shared segments found for this comparison.

648286 SNPs used for this comparison.

54.59 Pct SNPs are full identical

 

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on min segment size of 5 ....i only get
Chr B37 Start Pos'n B37 End Pos'n Centimorgans (cM) SNPs
19 .......7,663,317 ....... 9,939,831 .....6.5 .....560

 

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@salento

you are closer than I for R1 ..........is this the same for MTA ?

I stated a while ago......looks like we came via dalmatia/liburnia area .........to Marche .....your line went south ( Picene and Daunian) and my line went north

something like SNP tracker

 

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@salento
you are closer than I for R1 ..........is this the same for MTA ?
I stated a while ago......looks like we came via dalmatia/liburnia area .........to Marche .....your line went south ( Picene and Daunian) and my line went north
something like SNP tracker

… not on MTA anymore, you’re way closer to R1 than me, …

…though I do get the “Modern” MyHeritage Chieti (Abruzzo) Genetic Group (Martinsicuro is in Abruzzo)

 

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… my Lecce Genetic Group has Marche (and Rome) in 1600 - 1650 … this genetic group is hundreds of years old, … maybe it’s a clue indicating a common genetic link of Piceni and Iapigi (Daunians - Peuceti - Messapi)
I Think

 

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… my Lecce Genetic Group has Marche (and Rome) in 1600 - 1650 … this genetic group is hundreds of years old, … maybe it’s a clue indicating a common genetic link of Piceni and Iapigi (Daunians - Peuceti - Messapi)
I Think

this is my new #1 , replacing sample R1 .................but R1 has double the SNP's

 

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​one-to-one R120 (Late Antiquity Roman) vs R850 (Ardea Latin) and 1543 (Imperial Roman)

 

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It seems many are confused with which T it belongs to which branch
Currently
T1a1
T1a2
T1a3
T-PH110
are the branches
.................................
But some scientific testers use
T1a1a for T1a1
T1a1b for T1a2
T1a2a for T1a3


in the distant past 2011 to 2014 it was as the map below states
T2 = T1a1 branch

T3 = T1a2 branch

 

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Distance to:	DER031
8.70873699	Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
10.63597198	Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
12.86849253	ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
15.31279530	kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany

Dodecad K12b:

DER031,0,0,0.95,0,54.58,0,0,0,10.37,0,33.76,0.35
ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic,0,0,0,7.78,44.92,3.01,0,0,11.36,0,32.93,0
R850_Ardea_Latin,7.3,0,4.52,1.08,21.26,10.54,0,0.43,14.77,0,40.1,0
R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
R1543_Imperial_Rome,8.92,0,5.86,0,21.15,9.11,0.41,0.36,14.95,0,38.92,0.31
CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom,6,1.15,3.48,0,36.14,24.04,0.16,0.59,7.04,0,21.33,0.07
SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary,5.31,0,2.69,0,32.16,22.1,0.15,0,9.96,0,27.22,0.41
I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern,4.91,0,1.54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0,37,0
I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD,6.34,0.29,11.67,0,35.87,20.88,0,3.68,15.38,0.36,5.46,0.06
Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,3.81,0.14,50.90,0,0,0.68,15.71,0,28.76,0
Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0,2.60,0,45.47,0,0,0,14.99,0,36.19,0.75
kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany,0,0.45,3.45,0,59.31,0,0,0.53,15.77,0,20.49,0
VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga,2.47,2.89,0.05,0.68,28.23,60.27,0,0,0.06,0,3.77,1.58
VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara,8.38,2.47,0.53,0,35.05,41.08,0,0,0.48,0,9.88,2.14
I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.21,0.37,42.93,36.24,0,0,7.78,0.22,9.65,0.61
I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic,0,0,2.08,1.14,49.17,30.37,0,0,6.38,0,10.05,0.81
KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,3.81,0,53.94,16.35,0,0,8.50,0,17.40,0
KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia,0,0,0,0,57.20,17.89,0,2.49,6.68,0,15.74,0

 

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Distance to: Torziok12b
4.82277928 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
10.29711610 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
13.60258064 R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome
17.30128608 I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
18.43716627 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
18.84040870 I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
22.17713011 I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD
22.56245332 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
23.18973911 KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
25.41673858 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
31.09767515 R850_Ardea_Latin
31.47556195 ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
31.51982392 R1543_Imperial_Rome
34.91681543 Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
35.19496271 Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
36.99720665 DER031
38.27756523 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
38.50644881 kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany



Target: Torziok12b
Distance: 1.8050% / 1.80501612
50.6 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
37.6 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
6.3 DER031
2.9 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
2.6 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia

 

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Interesting.......my 1st cousin, once removed from Trentino

Target: TrentinoCles
Distance: 1.8336% / 1.83361321
34.4 DER031
32.2 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga
32.0 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
1.4 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara



Distance to: TrentinoCles
6.50109222 CL23_Collegno_Italy_Longobard_Kingdom
7.97467241 SZ36_Longobard_Migration_Hungary
10.61070214 R120_Late_Antiquity_Rome
19.11735599 I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Modern
20.18327278 I0700_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
20.54872259 I1108_Malak_Preslavets_Balkans_MP_Neolithic
21.75104135 KOB003_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
23.55030998 VK398_Viking_Sweden_Skara
24.31628261 KOB007_Kolin-Staralka_Funnelbeaker_Bohemia
25.64338316 I4055_SE_Iberia_300AD
27.11581826 ANI152_Varna_Golden_King_Eneolithic
28.26651730 R850_Ardea_Latin
29.12351799 R1543_Imperial_Rome
30.80966082 Kar6_I0795_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
31.43546723 Kars537_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
32.88626917 DER031
36.19962431 kar16a_I0797_LBK_EN_Karsdorf_Germany
42.12987301 VK17_Viking_Russia_Ladoga

 

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@Salento

Matt Verona ( Vironet line )

Shared info on his close matches which I do not have................maybe you have them

Jason LaBenne ( from the Bear man you linked a while ago ) ...............Hubert LaBenne b.1629 Tilleur , Belgium

John Zeno ...................Domenico Ziino , Messina Italy

Kenneth Wike ...............Germany

 

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All above are T1a2 ydna branch

 

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T-SK1480 and Parent still overlap, … same place for 2000 years, … They loved Italy and the Roman Empire