Y dna haplogroup T

torzio said:
Now

Z19945 arrived in ancient Picene lands

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Salento said:
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what does chieti represent ?

is it

Their territory was placed under Roman municipal jurisdiction after the Social War.[6] In imperial times, Chieti's population reached 60,000 inhabitants but, after the fall of the Western Roman Empire, it was destroyed by Visigoths and Heruli. Later it was seat of a gastaldate under the Lombard kings. After its destruction by Peppin, it became a fief of the Duchy of Benevento.

I do not recall Visigoths in Italy ( visi = western ) ..........but Ostrogoths ( ostro = eastern ) whose capital was Ravenna ............but they only stayed in Italy as rulers for about 100 years replaced by Lombards after losing a war to them.

Heruli seem like a mix of Goths and Sycthians coming from the black sea ( romania area )

But , papers also say
The Heruli are specifically believed to have spoken an East Germanic language. These languages were also spoken by the Goths, Burgundians, Rugii, Vandals, Gepids and others.[9][10][11] It has however also been proposed that they spoke a North Germanic language.[12]
 
Chieti is my 2nd place myheritage Genetic Group,
1st is Bari, ... 3rd Lecce (Salento), ...

the Chieti genetic group spreads around close to the Piceni areas
 
... from your video:

the southern border of the Piceni reached into Abruzzo, ... the River Matrinus (Torrente Piomba), ... then Aternum (Pescara) and its river, ...

... that’s why my Chieti (Abruzzo) Genetic Group makes sense:

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23 vs LivDNA Haplogroups

LivingDNA trumps 23andme mtDNA :)

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Salento said:
23 vs LivDNA Haplogroups

LivingDNA trumps 23andme mtDNA :)

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What is this all about ....moving Jefferson from a T1a1 branch to a T1a2 branch ?
 
torzio said:
What is this all about ....moving Jefferson from a T1a1 branch to a T1a2 branch ?
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... that's not what it says,

... the “your” in the images is about me, and not Jefferson.

23 and LivDNA use Jefferson as the y T general point of reference.

... from my 23andme results:

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I can see how it can be confusing :)
 
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Another T match

Surname CAUS ( original )......some changed surname to Causin

3 places they appear , need to check......Venice, Spresiano and Udine

some now living in Brazil

trying to check austrian records, since veneto and friuli where under austria from 1820-1870
 
Salento said:
... that's not what it says,

... the “your” in the images is about me, and not Jefferson.

23 and LivDNA use Jefferson as the y T general point of reference.

... from my 23andme results:

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I can see how it can be confusing :)
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The T project stated that the Jefferson is this in Yfull...T-PF7444
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-PF7444...LEALRndQKnjw_39VrALhcux_Au-eLL8FUDDISYQ6t-xto

others in Yfull state, state the top ID is Jefferson line ....USA flag VA in link below
https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-CTS3767/
 
Salento said:
@Torzio
the 1st Jefferson link is T1a1...
the 2nd Jefferson link is T1a2...

just sayin’ :)
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I am saying he is T1a1 with PF7455
 
y T Vikings coordinates

VK398 ... T-BY215080 (T1a2...)
VK17... T-Y138678 (T1a...)

Code: 
VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.00

VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85,12.84,0.00

VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61

VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0.33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00

VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.55,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38

VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49

VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22

VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0.00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00


Code: 
VK17_Dod_K7b,0.00,6.60,3.86,1.43,5.59,82.52,0.00

VK17_Dod_W9,0.59,0.00,1.46,81.54,0.03,3.55,8.16,4.67,0.00

VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23

VK17_Dod_13,1.94,0.00,0.85,0.81,1.12,0.00,23.14,0.21,1.13,1.24,69.56,0.00,0.00

VK17_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.06,20.77,0.19,1.64,0.00,16.74,0.00,35.60,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.96,0.00,1.05

VK17_EU_K13,44.12,42.69,5.90,0.11,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.98,0.00,0.07,0.09,1.28

VK17_EU_K15,39.67,17.44,20.45,17.47,2.27,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.16

VK17_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.42,4.20,0.00,0.00,2.69,0.00,12.13,0.00,12.56,32.45,9.80,5.29,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.43,0.00,13.58,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00


http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
 
Salento said:
y T Vikings coordinates

VK398 ... T-BY215080 (T1a2...)
VK17... T-Y138678 (T1a...)

Code: 
VK398_Dod_K7b,0.12,13.33,2.25,1.52,13.17,69.62,0.00

VK398_Dod_W9,0.75,0.00,1.42,68.75,0.43,1.96,13.85,12.84,0.00

VK398_Dod_K12b,8.51,1.82,0.00,0.00,35.33,41.96,0.00,0.00,0.68,0.00,10.07,1.61

VK398_Dod_13,1.67,0.32,1.81,0.00,2.08,0.00,31.67,0.33,0.56,10.18,51.37,0.00,0.00

VK398_MDLP_K16,0.22,0.27,22.43,0.00,0.00,0.00,20.55,0.00,25.21,0.01,29.39,0.53,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.38

VK398_EU_K13,47.61,23.05,11.16,7.28,4.35,3.52,0.30,0.00,0.84,0.68,0.72,0.00,0.49

VK398_EU_K15,26.70,35.27,12.81,6.71,5.98,6.62,0.54,3.19,0.39,0.00,0.71,0.32,0.47,0.09,0.22

VK398_EU_K36,0.01,0.00,0.00,3.79,0.00,6.69,0.00,0.00,4.72,0.00,5.41,0.00,4.35,8.85,8.71,20.80,0.00,2.35,0.00,0.00,0.00,13.14,3.26,13.81,0.00,0.16,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.26,0.48,2.21,0.00


Code: 
VK17_Dod_K7b,0.00,6.60,3.86,1.43,5.59,82.52,0.00

VK17_Dod_W9,0.59,0.00,1.46,81.54,0.03,3.55,8.16,4.67,0.00

VK17_Dod_K12b,2.57,2.93,0.02,0.50,28.20,60.64,0.00,0.12,0.01,0.00,3.78,1.23

VK17_Dod_13,1.94,0.00,0.85,0.81,1.12,0.00,23.14,0.21,1.13,1.24,69.56,0.00,0.00

VK17_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.06,20.77,0.19,1.64,0.00,16.74,0.00,35.60,0.00,23.00,0.00,0.00,0.96,0.00,1.05

VK17_EU_K13,44.12,42.69,5.90,0.11,2.74,0.00,0.00,0.00,2.98,0.00,0.07,0.09,1.28

VK17_EU_K15,39.67,17.44,20.45,17.47,2.27,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.54,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.16

VK17_EU_K36,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.44,0.42,4.20,0.00,0.00,2.69,0.00,12.13,0.00,12.56,32.45,9.80,5.29,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,6.43,0.00,13.58,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00


http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/
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Interesting is that Balkar origin was the first ancient association I was given 8 plus years ago from DNATribes ...............Balkar is north-caucasus area, Abazin is next to Balkar

Distance to:VK398_Dod_K12b
2.2870767672.80% English_South + 27.20% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
2.3041303170.60% French_Northwest + 29.40% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
2.3111680270.20% English_mixed + 29.80% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
2.3204139791.00% English_mixed + 9.00% Nogai
2.3719849083.20% English_North + 16.80% Turk_Deliorman
2.4046568892.00% English_South + 8.00% Nogai
2.417834579.20% Abazin + 90.80% English_North
2.4241870035.60% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely + 64.40% Scottish
2.4285388690.00% English_North + 10.00% Nogai
2.4403169612.40% Crimean_Tatar_Mountain + 87.60% English_North
2.4465857584.80% English_North + 15.20% Turk_Trakya
2.4531441140.00% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely + 60.00% Irish
2.4534196590.40% English_North + 9.60% Kabardin
2.455469049.20% Circassian + 90.80% English_North
2.471547309.20% Balkar + 90.80% English_North
2.4720752577.40% French_Northwest + 22.60% Moldavian_North
2.4741282691.00% English_North + 9.00% Karachay
2.4935087667.80% English_North + 32.20% Hungarian_Transylvania_Szekely
2.4960374291.40% English_North + 8.60% Ossetian
2.5106429481.00% English_South + 19.00% Moldavian_Center
2.526654968.00% Balkar + 92.00% English_mixed
2.528716668.20% Abazin + 91.80% English_mixed
2.5449678879.00% English_mixed + 21.00% Moldavian_Center
2.5466277882.60% English_North + 17.40% Pomak_Greece
2.5514714191.60% English_mixed + 8.40% Kabardin
 
Y Haplogroup T ancient samples in timeline order. Any additional samples please forward me

India Roopkund Lake B ( 150 yBP )
I3403 ( 147 ± 92 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1b-Y21207
mtDNA: X2d

Lebanon Sidon Crusader ( 700 yBP - Medieval )
SI-42
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: J1b1a

Sweden Varnhem ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK398
Y-DNA: T1a1b2a
mtDNA: H1b1+16362

Russia near Finland Ladoga Varangians ( 950 yBP - Viking Age )
VK17
Y-DNA: T1a1a1
mtDNA: U5a2a1b

Italy near France Collegno ( 1350 yBP - Early Medieval ) Longobard Period
CL23
Y-DNA: T1a1b1a1 - CTS6071
mtDNA: H

Hungary Szólád ( Early Medieval ) Lombard Period no carbon date
SZ36
Y-DNA: T1a1a1a1a2b2 - PF7275
mtDNA: U4c2a

Lebanon Qornet ed-Deir ( 1794 yBP - Roman )
QED-2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a - P77
mtDNA: T1

Kazakhstan Kok-Mardan ( 1800 yBP - Late Antiquity ) Kaunchi Culture ( Kangju )
DA125 ( 1755 ± 41 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a1-Y13279
mtDNA: U2e2a1

Israel Tel Abel Beth Maccah
I2201, Iron Age, 1011-846 calBCE
I2201
mtDNA: X2
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2b2b1a1a2 - CTS6280

Turkmenistan Gonur Depe ( 3600 yBP - Bronze Age ) Bactria Margiana (BMAC)
I1781 ( 3550 ± 30 yBP / 3841 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: T1a1q

Israel Tel Megiddo
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 1971-1278 calBCE
I4518
mtDNA: HV2a1
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214

Syria Alalakh site
Middle-Late Bronze Age, 2111-1303 BC
ALA015
mtDNA: K1a
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L208

Syria Elba site
Middle Bronze Age I(Eblaite), 2000-1800 BCE
ETM026
mtDNA: K1a4
Y-DNA: T1a1 - L162

Iran Tepe Hissar C (4100 yBP- Bronze Age) Tepe Hissar Culture
I2514 ( 3915 ± 25 yBP / 4341 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a2a1a-Y13284
mtDNA: W3b

I2512 ( 4265 ± 25 yBP / 4846 yBP )
Y-DNA: T-M184
mtDNA: HV / HV9

Morocco Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )
( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
KEB.6
Y-DNA: T1a1a - L162
mtDNA: K1a4a1

Russia Ipatovo 3 ( 5400 yBP - Early Bronze Age ) Early Steppe Maykop Culture
IV3002 ( 5383 ± 64 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1 -CTS6004 probablyT1a2a-Y8614
mtDNA: X1'2'3

Israel Peqi'in Cave ( 6150 yBP - Late Chalcolithic ) 9 Samples !! ! Most ever found in one place and 4th oldest samples
I1155
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a

I1160
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: N1a1b

I1165
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: HV1a’b’c’

I1166
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: H

I1170
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T1a2

I1172
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: K1a

I1178
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: I6

I1180
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: T

I1187
Y-DNA: T1a1a1b2 - CTS2214
mtDNA: U6d
Peqi'in Cave atDNA notes: Northern origin. They also carry the WHG G allele for Blue eyes at Rs12913832.

Bulgaria Varna (6500 yBP-Chalcolithic) Varna Culture
ANI152
Y-DNA: T-Y3804 (x T1-Y3813)
mtDNA: U2

Germany Karsdorf ( 7100yBP - Early Neolithic ) LBK Culture
I0795
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H1 or H1au1b*

I0797
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: H46b

Kars537 ( 6958 ± 49 yBP )
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: J1c6a

Bulgaria Malak Preslavets ( 7600yBP - Mesolithic/Early Neolithic ) Criș Culture
I0700
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e

I1108
Y-DNA: T1a1a2-Y63197
mtDNA: T2e

Jordan 'Ain Ghazal ( 9600 yBP - Early Neolithic ) Late Middle PPNB ( 9573 ± 39 yBP )
Oldest Haplogroup T sample on record
I1707
Y-DNA: T1a - M70
mtDNA: R0a
Oldest Haplogroup T sample ever found
 
@MrT

... R850 Latin Tribe Ardea 650 BC
Y-DNA T1a1a T-L208
mtDNA T2c1f
 
I3403 Skeleton Lake Traveler 1805 AD
Y-DNA T1a2 (L131) - mtDNA X2d

coordinates:
Dodecad K7 K12b K13 - MDLP K16 - EU K13 K15 K36

Code: 
I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K7b,0.00,27.35,0.00,0.40,34.38,37.09,0.77

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K12b,4.91,0.00,1.54,0.70,25.57,17.55,0.36,0.48,11.88,0.00,37.00,0.00

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K13_G,0.00,0.24,0.41,0.00,16.56,0.87,36.11,0.00,0.27,24.98,20.56,0.00,0.00

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_MDLP_K16,0.00,0.00,9.57,0.00,0.72,0.16,44.88,0.44,12.51,3.62,24.82,2.88,0.00,0.39,0.00,0.00

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_EU_K13,16.10,8.21,23.64,14.20,32.79,2.25,0.71,1.45,0.00,0.13,0.00,0.00,0.51

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_EU_K15,11.31,11.46,6.92,0.22,20.25,13.18,30.80,2.89,1.16,1.01,0.00,0.21,0.00,0.00,0.59

I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_EU_K36,0.00,2.33,6.50,0.00,0.00,6.11,0.00,0.00,10.17,0.00,0.00,20.73,0.00,1.83,1.13,1.08,0.00,16.65,0.00,13.26,0.00,5.34,0.86,2.33,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,3.21,8.48
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/


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Distance to:I3403_Skeleton_Lake_Traveler_Dod_K13
2.13883146Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R57
2.37934865Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R54
2.49481462Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R64
2.70242484Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R58
3.08019480Imperial_Era_Palestrina_:R436
3.59062669Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche_:R835
3.84728476Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R65
4.00051247Imperial_Era_Civitanova_Marche_:R836
4.17557182Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R59
4.28486873Imperial_Era_Marcellino_&_Pietro_:R136
4.29489232Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R52
4.56857746Imperial_Era_Centocelle_Necropolis_:R49
4.64731105Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_:R973
4.65300978Imperial_Era_Via_Paisiello_Necropolis_:R131
4.69716936Imperial_Era_Necropolis_of_Monte_Agnese_:R1544
4.76908796Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R53
4.89778521Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R117
5.14442417Late_Antiquity_Celio_:R35
5.20579485Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R1290
5.50892912Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R121
5.64719399Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R60
5.73303584Medieval_Era_Tivoli_Palazzo_Cianti_:R970
5.76404372Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R118
5.96233176Medieval_Era_Villa_Magna_:R56
6.01774044Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia_:R122
 
... by “coincidence” R120 (T1a2... T-L446) ... Dodecad K12 top ancient match has my mtDNA :)
(R1283 mtDNA H12 - Y-DNA J2b)

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R120_Late_Antiquity_S_Ercolano_Necropolis_Ostia,5.11,0.47,2.1,0,33.79,17.98,0,1.11,11.27,0,27.96,0.21
 
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