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Thread: How did Haplogroup N reach Anatolia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    There is much less N in the Balkans than in Turkey.
    Yes, and for Bosnian Serbs (about 6%) it's coincidence, it's a small sample. In Serbia is less 2%, in Upper Macedonia is about 0,5-1%, in Croatia is similar, etc. Balkans is no area where N carriers could be find in a significant number.

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    I've read somewhere that some Hunnic warriors settled round Bosnia during their invasions.

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    Historically Migration Waves to Anatolia:
    First of all, Kypchaks migrating from east to west caused some Oghuz tribes to move south (Khwarezm and Transoxiana) whereas Pechenegs moved westward (Europe). Oghuz tribes encountered with Ghaznavids and had war called "Battle of Dandanaqan" and they seized Khorasan. After expanding to the westward, they encountered with Byzantium, and had battle with them in Anatolia. After attacking Anatolia, some of the local settlers moved to the west of Anatolia or Greece whereas Turkic people massively started to conquer and settle in Anatolia. Chronologically you can see the migration waves.
    1. Battle of Dandanaqan (1040); Oghuz Turks started to move to Azerbaijan and Iran.
    2. Battle of Manzikert (1071): Oghuz Turks started to settle in Anatolia.
    3. Battle of Qatwan (1141) caused new migration waves to Azerbaijan and Iran. Incoming Oghuz tribes terminated Seljuks in Iran, but the wing of Seljuks in Turkey continued.
    4. The armies of Genghis Khan (1222-1227) caused the biggest migration wave to Anatolia. Ottoman tribe also came to Anatolia as a result of Mongol invasion.
    5. The armies of Timur (1402) did not cause much migration to Anatolia, but they reduced the number of Armenians.
    6. The Conquer of Constantinople (1453): The Ottoman sultans started to make some Turkish tribes settle in Balkans to provide security of the west.

    As a result of all these migration waves, Central Asian Turkic tribes brought J2, R1a, R1b, C3, N, G and Q between 11th-15th centuries. The local people of Anatolia might also have similar haplogroups, but to be sure, you should test your SNPs and determine haplotype/subclade because the subclades of incomers are different from the indigeneous though they might have the same haplogroups.

    Anyway, you N might have been brought from Central Asia by Turkic tribes if it is similar to the ones in Central Asian subclades. If not, maybe from the north of Europe, Siberia or Northeast of Asia through the Balkans. In fact, N is not typical to Central Asia, but it is more typical to north of Siberia and America.

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    Hi, Why table Y-DNA per country https://www.eupedia.com/europe/europ...logroups.shtml
    indicates 1% for Bosnian Serbs and (2,5%) for Serbia (minus?)

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    Re: YHgN: there is a study , follow the link please , it has a lot information :
    https://journals.plos.org/plosone/ar...e.0066102.t001
    Genetic Evidence of an East Asian Origin and Paleolithic Northward Migration of Y-chromosome Haplogroup N

    The Y-chromosome haplogroup N-M231 (Hg N) is distributed widely in eastern and central Asia, Siberia, as well as in eastern and northern Europe. Previous studies suggested a counterclockwise prehistoric migration of Hg N from eastern Asia to eastern and northern Europe. However, the root of this Y chromosome lineage and its detailed dispersal pattern across eastern Asia are still unclear. We analyzed haplogroup profiles and phylogeographic patterns of 1,570 Hg N individuals from 20,826 males in 359 populations across Eurasia. We first genotyped 6,371 males from 169 populations in China and Cambodia, and generated data of 360 Hg N individuals, and then combined published data on 1,210 Hg N individuals from Japanese, Southeast Asian, Siberian, European and Central Asian populations. The results showed that the sub-haplogroups of Hg N have a distinct geographical distribution. The highest Y-STR diversity of the ancestral Hg N sub-haplogroups was observed in the southern part of mainland East Asia, and further phylogeographic analyses supports an origin of Hg N in southern China. Combined with previous data, we propose that the early northward dispersal of Hg N started from southern China about 21 thousand years ago (kya), expanding into northern China 12–18 kya, and reaching further north to Siberia about 12–14 kya before a population expansion and westward migration into Central Asia and eastern/northern Europe around 8.0–10.0 kya. This northward migration of Hg N likewise coincides with retreating ice sheets after the Last Glacial Maximum (22–18 kya) in mainland East Asia.


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    Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup N: A Non-trivial Time-Resolved Phylogeography that Cuts across Language Families

    https://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S...6)30160-4#fig1

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