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    Quote Originally Posted by Drac View Post
    Do you mean all pigmentation or just eye pigmentation? If eye pigmentation only, NE Spain is lighter eyed than Central Italy and similar to Veneto, Piedmont and Lombardia.
    Light eyes. Spain, in this research, was counted as a whole, not divided in sub-regions like Italy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cambria Red View Post
    Iberia has as many Atlantids (Paleo-Atlantids, Nordid-Atlantids and variations thereof) as Atlanto-Mediterraneans.
    Yes, Spain has 50% of people as light as Irish. Sure!

    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    Light eyes in Spain are common. Here you have some examples, it's not hard to find :



































    I can post dozens of light eyed Italians and pretending that light eyes in Italy are common. They are, but pics don't tell us in which percentage they are diffuse. Maps like these posted are ridicolous as they show that some areas in Middle East are fairer than some areas in Europe.
    Anyway Spaniards look pretty similar to Italians so I don't understand the reason of the dispute...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybilla View Post
    I can post dozens of light eyed Italians and pretending that light eyes in Italy are common. They are, but pics don't tell us in which percentage they are diffuse. Maps like these posted are ridicolous as they show that some areas in Middle East are fairer than some areas in Europe.
    Actually light-eyes in Italy and Spain ARE common. I posted this photos because that french ***** said he didn't never see a spaniards with light eyes, stop with this imaginary competition of Spain vs Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sybilla View Post
    Light eyes. Spain, in this research, was counted as a whole, not divided in sub-regions like Italy.



    Yes, Spain has 50% of people as light as Irish. Sure!



    I can post dozens of light eyed Italians and pretending that light eyes in Italy are common. They are, but pics don't tell us in which percentage they are diffuse. Maps like these posted are ridicolous as they show that some areas in Middle East are fairer than some areas in Europe.
    Anyway Spaniards look pretty similar to Italians so I don't understand the reason of the dispute...
    What makes you think that Atlantids are all supposed to look exactly like a majority of Irish or other types from NW Europe. It's a fact that there is a significant Atlantid element in Spain and Portugal. What's the big deal about that? What's the problem? Do we have to post a few hundred group photos of Atlantid Iberians for you?
    Last edited by Cambrius (The Red); 24-02-11 at 19:46.

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    The British Isles have a very significant, if not majority, of germanic input. But many of them, specially Irish, could pass easily in Iberia or France. In these types of Irish , there is an undeniable similarity with Iberians.

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    To be honest the Spaniards depicted above look on the whole fairer in skin colour than the Italians, even some of the lighter-eyed Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cambria Red View Post
    The map (bad, just like 95% of the others) is about ALL light eyes, not just blue; that means blue, green, grey and amber. Dark eyes are brown, hazel and "black". Black eyes are really saturated brown and very uncommon in Europe. BTW, green is apparently the rarest light eye color.
    I know, it's a bit difficult to divide the eye colors, hoevere belive me NE italy is the most light eyed part of italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by julia90 View Post
    I know, it's a bit difficult to divide the eye colors, hoevere belive me NE italy is the most light eyed part of italy
    I agree with that. I was in the eastern part of Lombardi and I noticed more light eyes there than any other area I visited in Italy. Beautiful region, BTW.

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    beautiful pics of italian mediterranean people (phenotype)

    Men..dark and handsome....





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    Do you have similiar pics of females, too?

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    So big-lipped, ill-shaved swarthies like most of these men are "handsome"?

    They probably take home bags of dirty washing for mamma to wash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    So big-lipped, ill-shaved swarthies like most of these men are "handsome"?

    They probably take home bags of dirty washing for mamma to wash.
    De gustibus non disputandum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mzungu mchagga View Post
    Do you have similiar pics of females, too?





    i will continue later, also with the male picks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    So big-lipped, ill-shaved swarthies like most of these men are "handsome"?

    They probably take home bags of dirty washing for mamma to wash.
    meeeeee ! shut up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julia90 View Post




    i will continue later, also with the male picks
    Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    meeeeee ! shut up.
    Sorry, you like these men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julia90 View Post





    i will continue later, also with the male picks
    Wow great! THANK YOU!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    Sorry, you like these men.
    You don't like the women above, or they are too 'swarthy' also ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    You don't like the women above, or they are too 'swarthy' also ?
    They are fine except number 3 but I prefer blondes and redheads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    They are fine except number 3 but I prefer blondes and redheads.
    Weren't you Sicilian ?

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    Nope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vallicanus View Post
    Nope.
    sei italiano?

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    North, south, east, west, Italian women are generally quite lovely.

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    To (hopefully) understand the genetics of Italy, one has to check out its history.

    All countries in Europe are a mixture of Y-DNA haplogroups (not just one)

    To account for this variations one needs to understand this history of the Roman Empire and their slave trade.

    The question: Where the slaves come from? (to supply over a million+ slaves to Rome, there is this article : The Roman slave supply, Walter Scheidel, Princeton and Stanford University 2007. PDF, page 13.., they were from; the Iberian peninsula, the southern Balkans, North Africa, Western Anatolia, Gaul, the Levant, Britain, Germany,, Parthia ,. "Roman merchants bartered Italian wine for CELTIC chattels.etc, etc etc."

    Quote: "Roman law required dealers (in slavery) to disclose the ethinic origin of slaves."

    Find article Yahoo or Google: The roman slave trade. www. princeton.edu etc.

    All the above pictures clearly show the diversity of people that no doubt may be descendants of the million+ slaves of 2000 brought to Italy.

    One has to consider the population of Rome prior to 2000 years ago to see the reality of the different haplogroups found in Italy today infused by the slave trade.

    Consider also that most likely the vast majority of slaves were MALE, since they were needed for the workforce. And males do pro-create and spread their Y-DNA!!! Fast forward 2000 years and voila! Haplogroups tested in Italy, are: R1b, R1a, J1, J2, G, E3b, I etc., etc, .

    One needed go back 20,000 years ago, just drop one 0 for a closer "reasonable" timeline.

    Melusine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melusine View Post
    To account for this variations one needs to understand this history of the Roman Empire and their slave trade.

    The question: Where the slaves come from? (to supply over a million+ slaves to Rome, there is this article : The Roman slave supply, Walter Scheidel, Princeton and Stanford University 2007. PDF, page 13.., they were from; the Iberian peninsula, the southern Balkans, North Africa, Western Anatolia, Gaul, the Levant, Britain, Germany,, Parthia ,. "Roman merchants bartered Italian wine for CELTIC chattels.etc, etc etc."

    Quote: "Roman law required dealers (in slavery) to disclose the ethinic origin of slaves."

    Find article Yahoo or Google: The roman slave trade. www. princeton.edu etc.

    All the above pictures clearly show the diversity of people that no doubt may be descendants of the million+ slaves of 2000 brought to Italy.

    One has to consider the population of Rome prior to 2000 years ago to see the reality of the different haplogroups found in Italy today infused by the slave trade.

    Consider also that most likely the vast majority of slaves were MALE, since they were needed for the workforce. And males do pro-create and spread their Y-DNA!!! Fast forward 2000 years and voila! Haplogroups tested in Italy, are: R1b, R1a, J1, J2, G, E3b, I etc., etc, .
    It's not just slaves, there were also many free immigrants who moved to Roman Italy. Just look at how many emperors they had who were of foreign extraction.

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