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    Haplogroup J2 M172 & Expansion Map of the Roman Empire.

    Haplogroup J2 M172 - Roman Republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anatolian chevalier View Post
    Please help ? J2 is semitic/arabic? people who have j2 haplogroup can they have blond blue eye/colored eyes?

    Ancient Anatolians have J2 haplogroup?

    Burt Bacharach have j2 dna he look white :)
    First read this:
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    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anatolian chevalier View Post
    Please help ? J2 is semitic/arabic? people who have j2 haplogroup can they have blond blue eye/colored eyes?

    Ancient Anatolians have J2 haplogroup?

    Burt Bacharach have j2 dna he look white :)
    My brother and I are both J2. I have green eyes and he has blue eyes. Our Paternal ancestry is French from Norman stock.

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    Off course they can have it and lots of them do:) Do not put that much into connection between Y Haplogroup and looks :)

    I know tested people and often the most blond and light eyed are E-V13 and J2 :)

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    Also a Haplogroup could not be Semitic of Arabic, these are languages :)

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    Maciamo could you maybe made e separation between J2a and J2b in the Charts or you think it would not be necessary since the lines share the J2 mutations and are too close? So J2a and J2b are like R1a-Z280 and R1a-Z93 so to say, different but yet both R1a?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    Maciamo could you maybe made e separation between J2a and J2b in the Charts or you think it would not be necessary since the lines share the J2 mutations and are too close? So J2a and J2b are like R1a-Z280 and R1a-Z93 so to say, different but yet both R1a?
    J2a to J2b is like R1a to R1b. This makes the most sense in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    J2a to J2b is like R1a to R1b. This makes the most sense in my opinion.
    But if it was like this there would have been no J2,just J2a and J2b, so both J2a and J2b are just part of J2, while R1a an d R1b are different, almost nobody talks about R1 and here there is not frequency for R1 but R1a and R1b :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    But if it was like this there would have been no J2,just J2a and J2b, so both J2a and J2b are just part of J2, while R1a an d R1b are different, almost nobody talks about R1 and here there is not frequency for R1 but R1a and R1b :)
    It is exactly how I wrote it. The clades have similar ages too, you should stop doubting.

    Noone is "simply J2" or "simply J1". If they are of unknown clade, they will have an asterix sign next to it: *

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    It is exactly how I wrote it. The clades have similar ages too, you should stop doubting.

    Noone is "simply J2" or "simply J1". If they are of unknown clade, they will have an asterix sign next to it: *
    R1a and R1b are different lines, while J2a and J2b are different sublines of the same line, all J2b people are also J2 so are all J2a people :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    R1a and R1b are different lines, while J2a and J2b are different sublines of the same line, all J2b people are also J2 so are all J2a people :)
    And all R1a and R1b are sublines of R1. And R1 and R2 are sublines of R.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    R1a and R1b are different lines, while J2a and J2b are different sublines of the same line, all J2b people are also J2 so are all J2a people :)
    I think you're missing the point. You're dead wrong. R1a and R1b are also different sublines of the same R1 line. All R1a people are also R1, so are R1b people. There father is R1 much the same as J2 is the father of J2a and J2b. Use common sense.

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    We cross posted, Dibran. :)

    Exactly so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    We cross posted, Dibran. :)
    Hahah. Indeed we did :)

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    Being of 100% North-western European (Saxon/Dutch, possibly British, along with Danish) stock, the fact that my haplogroup is so uncommon that far north intrigues me. I expected to be R1a or b, not like J2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    R1a and R1b are different lines, while J2a and J2b are different sublines of the same line, all J2b people are also J2 so are all J2a people :)
    You're getting owned here by 3 posters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatherland View Post
    You're getting owned here by 3 posters.

    No basically all 3 of them disagreed with the ideas of Maciamo( and all Geneticists) and insulted his work, apparently these people know nothing about Genetics.

    I wonder if Maciamo will ban them for making fun with his ideas. I personally agree with him on J2 , and learn once and for all this is not TA and nobody cares about Albanian or Croat nationalism or any kind of nationalism here, so guys how do you fell being owned by me ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daggo View Post
    Being of 100% North-western European (Saxon/Dutch, possibly British, along with Danish) stock, the fact that my haplogroup is so uncommon that far north intrigues me. I expected to be R1a or b, not like J2.
    A lot of North West Europeans are J2, some clades of J2a coming from Roman or Jewish or Celtic people , some J2b2 clades coming from a lot of sources, you guys here need to learn that your direct male line is not what defines who you are :) Maybe 80% of the man in your family from the down of time are R1b , but the rest could be everything , it changes nothing and it means nothing in terms of self identification :)

    Congrats on your cool and not common in your part of the world male line :)

    There is J2 from early middle ages ( 1 a and 1 b I think) from The Netherlands :) Here some guys said that the people were Avar mercenaries or something, but it could come from a lot of sources in NL :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    No basically all 3 of them disagreed with the ideas of Maciamo( and all Geneticists) and insulted his work, apparently these people know nothing about Genetics.

    I wonder if Maciamo will ban them for making fun with his ideas. I personally agree with him on J2 , and learn once and for all this is not TA and nobody cares about Albanian or Croat nationalism or any kind of nationalism here, so guys how do you fell being owned by me ;)
    You obviously don't understand what you read no matter who writes it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daggo View Post
    Being of 100% North-western European (Saxon/Dutch, possibly British, along with Danish) stock, the fact that my haplogroup is so uncommon that far north intrigues me. I expected to be R1a or b, not like J2.

    I am not sure,
    but I think they found j2b in Netherlands in Roman tombs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    You obviously don't understand what you read no matter who writes it.


    J2a and J2b are both just part of the line J2, while R1a and R1b are different lines, look at the map here, why do you not agree with me, Maciamo and all Genetics, please do elaborate :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I am not sure,
    but I think they found j2b in Netherlands in Roman tombs
    Yes and also J2a I think :) They were most likely mercenaries :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    You obviously lack the knowledge, but maybe one day you will learn :) I wish you luck :)

    J2a and J2b are both just part of the line J2, while R1a and R1b are different lines, look at the map here, why do you not agree with me, Maciamo and all Genetics, please do elaborate :)
    What don't you comprehend here? Y phylogenies bifurcate all along the line.

    Yes, J2a and J2b are both "sublines" of J2.

    https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/phy...roups.shtml#J2

    And J1 and J2 are both sublines of J.
    "http://www.jogg.info/pages/51/files/Logan3_files/image006.jpg

    R1a and R1b don't have any special status. They are sublines of R1, and R1 and R2 are sublines of R.
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    M207 (R)
    M173 (R1)
    M420 (R1a)
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    (R2*)
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)


    Phylogeny of the y male chromosome:
    https://images.nature.com/full/natur...nrg1124-f3.gif

    Do you see the branching all along the line? Get it?

    If you want to say that R1b and R1a split before J2a and J2b split then look up the dates and compare, not that I see what that would prove, because in any case it's thousands of years ago.

    Before posting further please pick up and read some introductory material on the y chromosome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    What don't you comprehend here? Y phylogenies bifurcate all along the line.

    Yes, J2a and J2b are both "sublines" of J2a.

    https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/phy...roups.shtml#J2

    And J1 and J2 are both sublines of J.
    "http://www.jogg.info/pages/51/files/Logan3_files/image006.jpg

    Likewise, R1a and R1b are sublines of R1, and R1 and R2 are sublines of R.
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    M207 (R)
    M173 (R1)
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    (R1a*)
    M343 (R1b)
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    M479 (R2)
    M124 (R2a)
    L263 (R2a1)
    F1092 (R2a2)
    Y12100 (R2a3)
    (R2*)
    "
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(Y-DNA)

    Phylogeny of the y male chromosome:
    https://images.nature.com/full/natur...nrg1124-f3.gif

    Get it?

    If you want to say that R1b and R1a split before J2a and J2b split then look up the dates and compare, not that I see what that would prove, because in any case it's thousands of years ago.

    Before posting further please pick up and read some introductory material on the y chromosome.

    J2a and J2b are not both subclades of J2a, could you please read what you have written ....

    Maciamo would you please educate this people

    I have not said anything about which spilt when

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    There is J2, R1a and R1b, nobody is speaking about R1

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