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    It was a typo, already corrected. You jumped the gun. Had you bothered to click the link you would have seen I specifically linked to the eupedia article.

    "Yes, J2a and J2b are both "sublines" of J2."




    R1a and R1b also split from a common ancestor: R1. Look at the damn links to the y phylogeny. R1a and R1b are not "more" separate lines than J2 or J2a or J2b are. They're all separate lines.

    You seem to have a problem with logic and with that I can't help you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    A lot of North West Europeans are J2, some clades of J2a coming from Roman or Jewish or Celtic people , some J2b2 clades coming from a lot of sources, you guys here need to learn that your direct male line is not what defines who you are :) Maybe 80% of the man in your family from the down of time are R1b , but the rest could be everything , it changes nothing and it means nothing in terms of self identification :)

    Congrats on your cool and not common in your part of the world male line :)

    There is J2 from early middle ages ( 1 a and 1 b I think) from The Netherlands :) Here some guys said that the people were Avar mercenaries or something, but it could come from a lot of sources in NL :)
    I wasn't implying that my Y-DNA determined who I was, I'm well aware that it's only your direct male lineage and not your heritage as a whole, I just said I found it interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    There is J2, R1a and R1b, nobody is speaking about R1
    Actually J2a and J2b seem less related to each other in terms of their distribution than R1a and R1b, where you see one (R1b) dominating the west while R1a the East.

    The distribution of J2a and J2b is more "random" in comparison to each other and especially that of J2b alone.

    Not that it really matters but since you consider the J2 a more tight family, perhaps you should do more research on their rebellious kids. ;)

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    J2 splits into J2a-M410 and J2b-M102 some 27,700 years ago: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J2/

    While R1 splits into R1a and R1b some 22,800 years ago, see here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R1/

    So to the contrary of what Yaan claims. In actuality the split of J2 into J2a and J2b is older than the split of R1 into R1a and R1b. (Or perhaps he doesn't understand simple phylogeny, that R1 is the ancestor of R1a and R1b, just like J2 is the ancestor of J2a and J2b).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trojet View Post
    J2 splits into J2a-M410 and J2b-M102 some 27,700 years ago: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J2/

    While R1 splits into R1a and R1b some 22,800 years ago, see here: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R1/

    So to the contrary of what Yaan claims. In actuality the split of J2 into J2a and J2b is older than the split of R1 into R1a and R1b. (Or perhaps he doesn't understand simple phylogeny, that R1 is the ancestor of R1a and R1b, just like J2 is the ancestor of J2a and J2b).
    So you all guys spit on Maciamo and serious Genetics why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    So you all guys spit on Maciamo and serious Genetics why?
    I thought perhaps we are all being stubborn and not really listening to what you're saying, so I went and I checked what Maciamo wrote on J2. I still don't get your point.

    I guess you'd have to provide a paragraph written by him or geneticists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik View Post
    I thought perhaps we are all being stubborn and not really listening to what you're saying, so I went and I checked what Maciamo wrote on J2. I still don't get your point.

    I guess you'd have to provide a paragraph written by him or geneticists.
    Yes exactly :) I am saying that there is a Haplogroup called J2, which has 2 major subtypes J2a and J2b, while the guys here say- No it is stupid, actually there is no Haplogroup J2, there is one Called J2a and a different one called J2b :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    Yes exactly :) I am saying that there is a Haplogroup called J2, which has 2 major subtypes J2a and J2b, while the guys here say- No it is stupid, actually there is no Haplogroup J2, there is one Called J2a and a different one called J2b :)
    No one here has said that there is no haplogroup J2.

    Forget it, this is pointless.

    My advice to other members: ignore these posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    No one here has said that there is no haplogroup J2.

    Forget it, this is pointless.

    My advice to other members: ignore these posts.
    Please never ever write to me, I am here to discuss with people who are interested in genetics.

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    Buddy, you don't control who responds to content on this site. As for genetics, your lack of knowledge is proved by the absolute gibberish you're posting. Nor, it seems, are you capable of reading comprehension beyond the elementary school level, at least not in English. Take up another hobby and stop wasting everyone's time with uninformed nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nik View Post
    I thought perhaps we are all being stubborn and not really listening to what you're saying, so I went and I checked what Maciamo wrote on J2. I still don't get your point.

    I guess you'd have to provide a paragraph written by him or geneticists.
    yaan seems to be saying -

    nobody speaks about R1 haplogroup, they only speak about R1a or R1b , so

    nobody should speak about J2, but should only speak about J2a or J2b
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sile View Post
    yaan seems to be saying -

    nobody speaks about R1 haplogroup, they only speak about R1a or R1b , so

    nobody should speak about J2, but should only speak about J2a or J2b
    Yes this is all I was saying :) So people do understand :)

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    I have asked Maciamo some years ago to make a separate chart for J2a and J2b but he said that it is not necessary, because unlike R1a and R1b, J2a and J2b are not apart enough :) I do see his point and so do all Genetic people :)

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    I have no idea what's going on and who's claiming what. I'm out.

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    And there we go again: uninformed, insistent people ruin a perfectly good thread because informed posters drop out. I don't know a way to stop it. The rules don't allow bans for being both uninformed and stubborn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    And there we go again: uninformed, insistent people ruin a perfectly good thread because informed posters drop out. I don't know a way to stop it. The rules don't allow bans for being both uninformed and stubborn.
    Informed people like me say there is a haplogroup J2, people like you say no, no, no, no there is Haplogroup J2a and another one J2b. What of the things I have said is not right? Can you please say what of the things I have said is not right? Maciamo and genetics think like me and you and a bunch of nationalist Albanians come here to stalk me and in the end I deserve a ban....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    Informed people like me say there is a haplogroup J2, people like you say no, no, no, no there is Haplogroup J2a and another one J2b. What of the things I have said is not right? Can you please say what of the things I have said is not right? Maciamo and genetics think like me and you and a bunch of nationalist Albanians come here to stalk me and in the end I deserve a ban....
    Dude, just drop it. You're dead wrong and so is Maciamo if he ever said that to you. Read Trojet's post up above your nonsense and educate yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    No one here has said that there is no haplogroup J2.

    Forget it, this is pointless.

    My advice to other members: ignore these posts.
    Yaan, Angela never said there's no J2 and neither has anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leka View Post
    Dude, just drop it. You're dead wrong and so is Maciamo if he ever said that to you. Read Trojet's post up above your nonsense and educate yourself.

    All I said it there is no separate haplogroup J2a or J2b there is a haplogroup called J2.

    So you say there is no haplogroup called J2? Check the chart here in the site please!

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    Then what is the problem? I said there is no J2a or J2b only J2, which has asubtubes of J2a and J2b, why are they ******** me then ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yaan View Post
    Then what is the problem? I said there is no J2a or J2b only J2, which has asubtubes of J2a and J2b, why are they ******** me then ?
    Yaan, this post should have been sufficient in clearing things up for you:

    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post
    It was a typo, already corrected. You jumped the gun. Had you bothered to click the link you would have seen I specifically linked to the eupedia article.

    "Yes, J2a and J2b are both "sublines" of J2."




    R1a and R1b also split from a common ancestor: R1. Look at the damn links to the y phylogeny. R1a and R1b are not "more" separate lines than J2 or J2a or J2b are. They're all separate lines.

    You seem to have a problem with logic and with that I can't help you.

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    I still do not see why they have attacked me? I have said there is no J2a Haplogroup or J2b Haplogroup only J2 Haplogroup, a and b are just subtypes.

    J2a and J2b are like R1a-M458 and R1a -Z93! Because both of the first are Haplogroup J2 and the second haplogroup R1a .

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    All J2a men are also J2 so are all J2b men, so if we all agree on this what is the problem and why are we still leading this discussion? :)

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    Think of J2 as a chocolate donut. J2a is a chocolate donut with frosting, and J2b is a glazed chocolate donut. They are variations of the same kind of donut: chocolate

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    Quote Originally Posted by davef View Post
    Think of J2 as a chocolate donut. J2a is a chocolate donut with frosting, and J2b is a glazed chocolate donut. They are variations of the same kind of donut: chocolate
    This is exactly what I am saying

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