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    Albanians have to do a lot with the Greek history as long as both ethnicities descent from paleo/Balkans ethnolinguistic people. It would be normal after all
    Not enough loan words between the two languages to be neighbors for at least 3000 years. We have more loan words from the Turkish than Albanian and we were only neighbors and subjects for 4 centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    @ Blevins

    Until now you told us nothing,
    remember that proto-Cetina is connected with Greeks
    and Thracians were also what you claim,
    while Illyrians were Celtoids
    IN FACT EAST OF OLYMP LIVED THE THRACIANS TRIBE PIEROI OF ORPHEUS, THE NORTHERN MYCENEANS, AND THE HERAKLEIDES which evolute to Makedonians.
    SO YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING AND IS JUST ANOTHER SPECULATED SPAM-POST JUST FOR IMPRESSIONS
    YOU POST US A LINK WHICH YOU HAVE NOIT READ IT EVEN YOU





    @ Pirro

    FIRST
    LEARN TO WRITE CORRECT THE NAME OF EPIROS GREEK KING

    SECOND
    Alexander's grandma was Illyrian origin, a typical bargain among kings,
    But read this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Erigon_Valley
    the hate among Makedonians Brygians included and Illyrians was so big.

    THIRD

    they claim that 3 Makedonians were is up your mind

    read the etymolgy of the names


    100 MAKEDONIAN NAMES ALL HAVE GREEK ETYMOLOGY

    KINGS OF MACEDON AND DIADOCHI
    1. ALEXANDROS m Ancient Greek (ALEXANDER Latinized)
    Pronounced: al-eg-ZAN-dur
    From the Greek name Alexandros, which meant ‘defending men’ from Greek alexein ‘to defend, protect, help’ and aner ‘man’ (genitive andros). Alexander the Great, King of Macedon, is the most famous bearer of this name. In the 4th century BC he built a huge empire out of Greece, Egypt, Persia, and parts of India. The name was borne by five kings of Macedon.

    2. PHILIPPOS m Ancient Greek (PHILIP Latinized)
    Pronounced: FIL-ip
    From the Greek name Philippos which means ‘friend of horses’, composed of the elements philos ‘friend’ and hippos ‘horse’. The name was borne by five kings of Macedon, including Philip II the father of Alexander the Great.

    3. AEROPOS m Ancient Greek, Greek Mythology
    Male form of Aerope who in Greek mythology was the wife of King Atreus of Mycenae. Aeropos was also the son of Aerope, daughter of Kepheus: ‘Ares, the Tegeans say, mated with Aerope, daughter of Kepheus (king of Tegea), the son of Aleos. She died in giving birth to a child, Aeropos, who clung to his mother even when she was dead, and sucked great abundance of milk from her breasts. Now this took place by the will of Ares.’ (Pausanias 8.44.) The name was borne by two kings of Macedon.

    4. ALKETAS m Ancient Greek (ALCAEUS Latinized)
    Pronounced: al-SEE-us
    Derived from Greek alke meaning ‘strength’. This was the name of a 7th-century BC lyric poet from the island of Lesbos.

    5. AMYNTAS m Ancient Greek
    Derived from Greek amyntor meaning ‘defender’. The name was borne by three kings of Macedon.

    6. ANTIGONOS m Ancient Greek (ANTIGONUS Latinized)
    Pronounced: an-TIG-o-nus
    Means ‘like the ancestor’ from Greek anti ‘like’ and goneus ‘ancestor’. This was the name of one of Alexander the Great’s generals. After Alexander died, he took control of most of Asia Minor. He was known as Antigonus ‘Monophthalmos’ (‘the One-Eyed’). Antigonos II (ruled 277-239 BC) was known as ‘Gonatos’ (‘knee, kneel’).

    7. ANTIPATROS m Ancient Greek (ANTIPATER Latinized)
    Pronounced: an-TI-pa-tur
    From the Greek name Antipatros, which meant ‘like the father’ from Greek anti ‘like’ and pater ‘father’. This was the name of an officer of Alexander the Great, who became the regent of Macedon during Alexander’s absence.

    8. ARCHELAOS m Ancient Greek (ARCHELAUS Latinized)
    Pronounced: ar-kee-LAY-us
    Latinized form of the Greek name Archelaos, which meant ‘master of the people’ from arche ‘master’ and laos ‘people’. It was also the name of the 7th Spartan king who came in the throne of Sparti in 886 BC, long before the establishment of the Macedonian state.

    9. ARGAIOS m Greek Mythology (ARGUS Latinized)
    Derived from Greek argos meaning ‘glistening, shining’. In Greek myth this name belongs to both the man who built the Argo and a man with a hundred eyes. The name was borne by three kings of Macedon.

    10. DEMETRIOS m Ancient Greek (DEMETRIUS Latinized)
    Latin form of the Greek name Demetrios, which was derived from the name of the Greek goddess Demeter. Kings of Macedon and the Seleucid kingdom have had this name. Demetrios I (ruled 309-301 BC) was known as ‘Poliorketes’ (the ‘Beseiger’).

    11. KARANOS m Ancient Greek (CARANUS Latinized)
    Derived from the archaic Greek word ‘koiranos’ or ‘karanon”, meaning ‘ruler’, ‘leader’ or ‘king’. Both words stem from the same archaic Doric root ‘kara’ meaning head, hence leader, royal master. The word ‘koiranos’ already had the meaning of ruler or king in Homer. Karanos is the name of the founder of the Argead dynasty of the Kings of Macedon.

    12. KASSANDROS m Greek Mythology (CASSANDER Latinized)
    Pronounced: ka-SAN-dros
    Possibly means ‘shining upon man’, derived from Greek kekasmai ‘to shine’ and aner ‘man’ (genitive andros). In Greek myth Cassandra was a Trojan princess, the daughter of Priam and Hecuba. She was given the gift of prophecy by Apollo, but when she spurned his advances he cursed her so nobody would believe her prophecies. The name of a king of Macedon.

    13. KOINOS m Ancient Greek
    Derived from Greek koinos meaning ‘usual, common’. An Argead king of Macedon in the 8th century BC.

    14. LYSIMACHOS m Ancient Greek (LYSIMACHUS Latinized)
    Means ‘a loosening of battle’ from Greek lysis ‘a release, loosening’ and mache ‘battle’. This was the name of one of Alexander the Great’s generals. After Alexander’s death Lysimachus took control of Thrace.

    15. SELEUKOS m Ancient Greek (SELEUCUS Latinized)
    Means ‘to be light’, ‘to be white’, derived from the Greek word leukos meaning ‘white, bright’. This was the name of one of Alexander’s generals that claimed most of Asia and founded the Seleucid dynasty after the death of Alexander in Babylon.

    16. ARRIDHAIOS m Ancient Greek
    Son of Philip II and later king of Macedon. The greek etymology is Ari (= much) + adj Daios (= terrifying). Its full meaning is “too terrifying”. Its Aeolian type is Arribaeos.

    17. ORESTES m Greek Mythology
    Pronounced: o-RES-teez
    Derived from Greek orestais meaning ‘of the mountains’. In Greek myth he was the son of Agamemnon. He killed his mother Clytemnestra after she killed his father. The name of a king of Macedon (ruled 399-396 BC).

    18. PAUSANIAS m Ancient Greek
    King of Macedon in 393 BC. Pausanias was also the name of the Spartan king at the Battle of Plataea in 479 BC, and the name of the Greek traveller, geographer and writer whose most famous work is ‘Description of Greece’, and also the name of the man who assassinated Philip II of Macedon in 336 BC.

    19. PERDIKKAS m Ancient Greek (PERDICCAS Latinized)
    Derived from Greek perdika meaning ‘partridge’. Perdikkas I is presented as founder of the kingdom of Macedon in Herodotus 8.137. The name was borne by three kings of Macedon.

    20. PERSEUS m Greek Mythology
    Pronounced: PUR-see-us
    It derives from Greek verb pertho meaning ‘to destroy, conquer’. Its full meaning is the “conqueror”. Perseus was a hero in Greek legend. He killed Medusa, who was so ugly that anyone who gazed upon her was turned to stone, by looking at her in the reflection of his shield and slaying her in her sleep. The name of a king of Macedon (ruled 179-168 BC).

    21. PTOLEMEOS m Ancient Greek (PTOLEMY Latinized)
    Pronounced: TAWL-e-mee
    Derived from Greek polemeios meaning ‘aggressive’ or ‘warlike’. Ptolemy was the name of several Greco-Egyptian rulers of Egypt, all descendents of Ptolemy I, one of Alexander the Great’s generals. This was also the name of a Greek astronomer. Ptolemy ‘Keraunos’ (ruled 281-279 BC) is named after the lighting bolt thrown by Zeus.

    22. TYRIMMAS m Greek Mythology
    Tyrimmas, an Argead king of Macedon and son of Coenus. Also known as Temenus. In Greek mythology, Temenus was the son of Aristomaches and a great-great grandson of Herakles. He became king of Argos. Tyrimmas was also a man from Epirus and father of Evippe, who consorted with Odysseus (Parthenius of Nicaea, Love Romances, 3.1). Its full meaning is “the one who loves cheese”.

    QUEENS AND ROYAL FAMILY
    23. EURYDIKE f Greek Mythology (EURYDICE Latinized)
    Means ‘wide justice’ from Greek eurys ‘wide’ and dike ‘justice’. In Greek myth she was the wife of Orpheus. Her husband tried to rescue her from Hades, but he failed when he disobeyed the condition that he not look back upon her on their way out. Name of the mother of Philip II of Macedon.

    24. BERENIKE f Ancient Greek (BERENICE Latinized)
    Pronounced: ber-e-NIE-see
    Means ‘bringing victory’ from pherein ‘to bring’ and nike ‘victory’. This name was common among the Ptolemy ruling family of Egypt.

    25. KLEOPATRA f Ancient Greek (CLEOPATRA Latinized), English
    Pronounced: klee-o-PAT-ra
    Means ‘glory of the father’ from Greek kleos ‘glory’ combined with patros ‘of the father’. In the Iliad, the name of the wife of Meleager of Aetolia. This was also the name of queens of Egypt from the Ptolemaic royal family, including Cleopatra VII, the mistress of both Julius Caesar and Mark Antony. After being defeated by Augustus she committed suicide by allowing herself to be bitten by an asp. Also the name of a bride of Philip II of Macedon.

    26. CYNNA f Ancient Greek
    Half-sister of Alexander the great. Her name derives from the adj. of doric dialect Cyna (= tough).

    27. THESSALONIKI f Ancient Greek
    Means ‘victory over the Thessalians’, from the name of the region of Thessaly and niki, meaning ‘victory’. Name of Alexander the Great’s step sister and of the city of Thessaloniki which was named after her in 315 BC.

    GENERALS, SOLDIERS, PHILOSOPHERS AND OTHERS
    28. PARMENION m ancient Greek
    The most famous General of Philip and Alexander the great. Another famous bearer of this name was the olympic winner Parmenion of Mitiline. His name derives from the name Parmenon + the ending -ion used to note descendancy. It means the “descedant of Parmenon”.

    29. PEUKESTAS m Ancient Greek
    He saved Alexander the Great in India. One of the most known Macedonians. His name derives from Πευκής (= sharp) + the Doric ending -tas. Its full meaning is the “one who is sharp”.

    30. ARISTOPHANES m Ancient Greek
    Derived from the Greek elements aristos ‘best’ and phanes ‘appearing’. The name of one of Alexander the Great’s personal body guard who was present during the murder of Cleitus. (Plutarch, Alexander, ‘The Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans’). This was also the name of a 5th-century BC Athenian playwright.

    31. KORRAGOS m Ancient Greek
    The Macedonian who challenged into a fight the Olympic winner Dioxippos and lost. His name derives from Koira (= army) + ago (= lead). Korragos has the meaning of “the leader of the army”.

    32. ARISTON m Ancient Greek
    Derived from Greek aristos meaning ‘the best’. The name of a Macedonian officer on campaign with Alexander the Great (Arrian, Anabasis, Book II, 9 and Book III, 11, 14).

    33. KLEITUS m Ancient Greek (CLEITUS Latinized)
    Means ‘calling forth’ or ‘summoned’ in Greek. A phalanx battalion commander in Alexander the Great’s army at the Battle of Hydaspes. Also the name of Alexander’s nurse’s brother, who severed the arm of the Persian Spithridates at the Battle of the Granicus.

    34. HEPHAISTION m Greek Mythology
    Derived from Hephaistos (‘Hephaestus’ Latinized) who in Greek mythology was the god of fire and forging and one of the twelve Olympian deities. Hephaistos in Greek denotes a ‘furnace’ or ‘volcano’. Hephaistion was the companion and closest friend of Alexander the Great. He was also known as ‘Philalexandros’ (‘friend of Alexander’).

    35. HERAKLEIDES m Ancient Greek (HERACLEIDES Latinized)
    Perhaps means ‘key of Hera’ from the name of the goddess Hera combined with Greek kleis ‘key’ or kleidon ‘little key’. The name of two Macedonian soldiers on campaign with Alexander the Great (Arrian, Anabasis, Book I, 2; Book III, 11 and Book VII, 16).

    36. KRATEROS m Ancient Greek (CRATERUS Latinized)
    Derived from Greek adj. Κρατερός (= Powerful). This was the name of one of Alexander the Great’s generals. A friend of Alexander the Great, he was also known as ‘Philobasileus’ (‘friend of the King’).

    37. NEOPTOLEMOS m Greek Mythology (NEOPTOLEMUS Latinized)
    Means ‘new war’, derived from Greek neos ‘new’ and polemos ‘war’. In Greek legend this was the name of the son of Achilles, brought into the Trojan War because it was prophesied the Greeks could not win it unless he was present. After the war he was slain by Orestes because of his marriage to Hermione. Neoptolemos was believed to be the ancestor of Alexander the Great on his mother’s (Olympias’) side (Plutarch). The name of two Macedonian soldiers during Alexander’s campaigns (Arrian, Anabasis, Book I, 6 and Book II, 27).

    38. PHILOTAS m Ancient Greek
    From Greek philotes meaning ‘friendship’. Son of Parmenion and a commander of Alexander the Great’s Companion cavalry.

    39. PHILOXENOS m Ancient Greek
    Meaning ‘friend of strangers’ derived from Greek philos meaning friend and xenos meaning ‘stranger, foreigner’. The name of a Macedonian soldier on campaign with Alexander the Great (Arrian, Anabasis, Book III, 6).

    40. MENELAOS m Greek Mythology (MENELAUS Latinized)
    Means ‘withstanding the people’ from Greek meno ‘to last, to withstand’ and laos ‘the people’. In Greek legend he was a king of Sparta and the husband of Helen. When his wife was taken by Paris, the Greeks besieged the city of Troy in an effort to get her back. After the war Menelaus and Helen settled down to a happy life. Macedonian naval commander during the wars of the Diadochi and brother of Ptolemy Lagos.

    41. LAOMEDON m ancient greek
    Friend from boyhood of Alexander and later Satrap. His names derives from the greek noun laos (λαός = “people” + medon (μέδω = “the one who governs”)

    42. POLYPERCHON Ancient Greek
    Macedonian, Son of Simmias His name derives from the greek word ‘Πολύ’ (=much) + σπέρχω (= rush).

    43. HEGELOCHOS m (HEGELOCHUS Latinized)
    Known as the conspirator. His name derives from the greek verb (ηγέομαι = “walking ahead” + greek noun λόχος = “set up ambush”).

    44. POLEMON m ancient Greek
    From the house of Andromenes. Brother of Attalos. Means in greek “the one who is fighting in war”.

    45. AUTODIKOS m ancient greek
    Somatophylax of Philip III. His name in greek means “the one who takes the law into his (own) hands”

    46. BALAKROS m ancient Greek
    Son of Nicanor. We already know Macedonians usually used a “beta” instead of a “phi” which was used by Atheneans (eg. “belekys” instead of “pelekys”, “balakros” instead of “falakros”). “Falakros” has the meaning of “bald”.

    47. NIKANOR (Nικάνωρ m ancient Greek; Latin: Nicanor) means “victor” – from Nike (Νικη) meaning “victory”.
    Nicanor was the name of the father of Balakras. He was a distinguished Macedonian during the reign of Phillip II.
    Another Nicanor was the son of Parmenion and brother of Philotas. He was a distinguished officer (commander of the Hypaspists) in the service of Alexander the Great. He died of disease in Bactria in 330 BC.

    48. LEONNATOS m ancient Greek
    One of the somatophylakes of Alexander. His name derives from Leon (= Lion) + the root Nat of noun Nator (= dashing). The full meaning is “Dashing like the lion”.

    49. KRITOLAOS m ancient Hellinic
    He was a potter from Pella. His name was discovered in amphoras in Pella during 1980-87. His name derives from Κρίτος (= the chosen) + Λαός (= the people). Its full meaning is “the chosen of the people”.

    50. ZOILOS m ancient Hellinic
    Father of Myleas from Beroia – From zo-e (ΖΩΗ) indicating ‘lively’, ‘vivacious’. Hence the Italian ‘Zoilo’

    51. ZEUXIS m ancient Hellinic
    Name of a Macedonian commander of Lydia in the time of Antigonos III and also the name of a Painter from Heraclea – from ‘zeugnumi’ = ‘to bind’, ‘join together’

    52. LEOCHARIS m ancient Hellinic
    Sculptor – Deriving from ‘Leon’ = ‘lion’ and ‘charis’ = ‘grace’. Literally meaning the ‘lion’s grace’.

    53. DEINOKRATIS m ancient Hellinic
    Helped Alexander to create Alexandria in Egypt.
    From ‘deinow’ = ‘to make terrible’ and ‘kratein’ = “to rule”
    Obviously indicating a ‘terrible ruler’

    54. ADMETOS (Άδμητος) m Ancient Greek
    derive from the word a+damaw(damazw) and mean tameless,obstreperous.Damazw mean chasten, prevail

    55. ANDROTIMOS (Ανδρότιμος) m Ancient Greek
    derive from the words andreios (brave, courageous) and timitis(honest, upright )

    56. PEITHON m Ancient Greek
    Means “the one who persuades”. It was a common name among Macedonians and the most famous holders of that names were Peithon, son of Sosicles, responsible for the royal pages and Peithon, son of Krateuas, a marshal of Alexander the Great.

    57. SOSTRATOS m Ancient Greek
    Derives from the Greek words “Σως (=safe) +Στρατος (=army)”. He was son of Amyntas and was executed as a conspirator.

    58. DIMNOS m Ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek verb “δειμαίνω (= i have fear). One of the conspirators.

    59. TIMANDROS m Ancient Greek
    Meaning “Man’s honour”. It derives from the greek words “Τιμή (=honour) + Άνδρας (=man). One of the commanders of regular Hypaspistes.

    60. TLEPOLEMOS ,(τληπόλεμος) m Ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words “τλήμων (=brave) + πόλεμος (=war)”. In greek mythology Tlepolemos was a son of Heracles. In alexanders era, Tlepolemos was appointed Satrap of Carmania from Alexander the Great.

    61. AXIOS (Άξιος) m ancient Greek
    Meaning “capable”. His name was found on one inscription along with his patronymic “Άξιος Αντιγόνου Μακεδών”.

    62. THEOXENOS (Θεόξενος) ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words “θεός (=god) + ξένος (=foreigner).His name appears as a donator of the Apollo temple along with his patronymic and city of origin(Θεόξενος Αισχρίωνος Κασσανδρεύς).

    63. MITRON (Μήτρων) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek word “Μήτηρ (=Mother)”. Mitron of Macedon appears in a inscription as a donator

    64. KLEOCHARIS (Κλεοχάρης) M ancient greek
    Derives from greek words “Κλέος (=fame) + “Χάρις (=Grace). Kleocharis, son of Pytheas from Amphipoli was a Macedonian honoured in the city of Eretria at the time of Demetrius son of Antigonus.

    65. PREPELAOS (Πρεπέλαος) m, ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words “πρέπω (=be distinguished) + λαος (=people). He was a general of Kassander.

    66. HIPPOLOCHOS (Ιππόλοχος) m, ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek words “Ίππος” (= horse) + “Λόχος”(=set up ambush). Hippolochos was a Macedonian historian (ca. 300 B.C.)

    67. ALEXARCHOS (Αλέξαρχος) m, ancient Greek
    Derives from Greek “Αλέξω” (=defend, protect, help) + “Αρχος ” (= master). Alexarchos was brother of Cassandros.

    68. ASCLEPIODOROS (Ασκληπιοδορος) m Ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek words Asclepios (= cut up) + Doro (=Gift). Asclepios was the name of the god of healing and medicine in Greek mythology. Asclepiodoros was a prominent Macedonian, son of Eunikos from Pella. Another Asclepiodoros in Alexander’s army was son of Timandros.

    69. KALLINES (Καλλινης) m Ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words kalli + nao (=stream beautifully). He was a Macedonian, officer of companions.

    70. PLEISTARHOS (Πλείσταρχος) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek words Pleistos (=too much) + Arhos ((= master). He was younger brother of Cassander.

    71. POLYKLES (Πολυκλής) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the words Poli (=city) + Kleos (glory). Macedonian who served as Strategos of Antipater.

    72. POLYDAMAS (Πολυδάμας) m ancient Greek
    The translation of his name means “the one who subordinates a city”. One Hetairos.

    73. APOLLOPHANES (Απολλοφάνης) m ancient greek.
    His name derives from the greek verb “απολλυμι” (=to destroy) and φαίνομαι (= appear to be). Apollophanes was a prominent Macedonian who was appointed Satrap of Oreitae.

    74. ARCHIAS (Αρχίας) m ancient Greek
    His name derive from greek verb Άρχω (=head or be in command). Archias was one of the Macedonian trierarchs in Hydaspes river.

    75. ARCHESILAOS (Αρχεσίλαος) m ancient Greek
    His name derive from greek verb Άρχω (=head or be in command) + Λαος (= people). Archesilaos was a Macedonian that received the satrapy of Mesopotamia in the settlement of 323.

    76. ARETAS (Αρετας) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek word Areti (=virtue). He was commander of Sarissoforoi at Gaugamela.

    77. KLEANDROS (Κλέανδρος) m ancient Greek
    Derives from greek verb Κλέος (=fame) + Ανδρος (=man). He was commander of Archers and was killed in Hallicarnasus in 334 BC.

    78. AGESISTRATOS (Αγησίστρατος) m ancient greek
    Father of Paramonos, a general of Antigonos Doson. His name derives from verb ηγήσομαι ( = lead in command) + στρατος (= army). “Hgisomai” in Doric dialect is “Agisomai”. Its full meaning is “the one who leads the army”

    79. AGERROS (Αγερρος) M ancient Greek
    He was father of Andronikos, general of Alexander. His name derives from the verb αγέρρω (= the one who makes gatherings)

    80. AVREAS (Αβρέας) m ancient Greek
    Officer of Alexander the great. His name derives from the adj. αβρός (=polite)

    81. AGATHANOR (Αγαθάνωρ) m ancient Greek
    Som of Thrasycles. He was priest of Asklepios for about 5 years. His origin was from Beroia as is attested from an inscription. His name derives from the adj. αγαθός (= virtuous) + ανήρ (= man). The full meaning of his name is “Virtuous man”

    82. AGAKLES (Αγακλής) m ancient Greek
    He was son of Simmihos and was from Pella. He is known from a resolution of Aetolians. His name derives from the adj. Αγακλεής (= too glorious)

    83. AGASIKLES (Αγασικλής) m ancient Greek
    Son of Mentor, from Dion of Macedonia. It derives from the verb άγαμαι (= admire) + Κλέος (=fame). Its full meaning is “the one who admires fame”

    84. AGGAREOS (Αγγάρεος) m ancient Greek
    Son of Dalon from Amphipolis. He is known from an inscription of Amphipolis (S.E.G vol 31. ins. 616) It derives from the noun Αγγαρεία (= news)

    85. AGELAS (Αγέλας) m ancient Greek
    Son of Alexander. He was born during the mid-5th BCE and was an ambassador of Macedonians during the treaty between Macedonians and Atheneans. This treaty exists in inscription 89.vol1 Fasc.1 Ed.3″Attic inscrip.”
    His name was common among Heraclides and Bacchiades. One Agelas was king of Corinth during the first quarter of 5 BCE. His name derives from the verb άγω (= lead) and the noun Λαός (= people or even soldiers (Homeric)). The full meaning is the “one who leads the people/soldiers”.

    86. AGIPPOS (Άγιππος) m ancient Greek
    He was from Beroia of Macedonia and lived during middle 3rd BCE. He is known from an inscription found in Beroia where his name appears as the witness in a slave-freeing. Another case bearing the name Agippos in the Greek world was the father of Timokratos from Zakynthos. The name Agippos derives from the verb άγω (= lead) + the word ίππος (= Horse). Its full meaning is “the one who leads the horse/calvary”.

    87. AGLAIANOS (Αγλαϊάνος) m ancient Greek
    He was from Amphipolis of Macedonia (c. 4th BC) and he is known from an inscription S.E.G vol41., insc. 556
    His name consists of aglai- from the verb αγλαϊζω (= honour) and the ending -anos.

    88. AGNOTHEOS (Αγνόθεος) m ancient Greek
    Macedonian, possibly from Pella. His name survived from an inscription found in Pella between 300-250 BCE. (SEG vol46.insc.799)
    His name derives from Αγνός ( = pure) + Θεός (=God). The full meaning is “the one who has inside a pure god”

    89. ATHENAGORAS (Αθηναγόρας) m ancient Greek
    General of Philip V. He was the general who stopped Dardanian invasion in 199 BC. His name derives from the verb αγορά-ομαι (=deliver a speech) + the name Αθηνά (= Athena).

    90. PERIANDROS (Περίανδρος) m ancient Greek
    Son of the Macedonian historian Marsyas. His name derives from Περί (= too much) + άνηρ (man, brave). Its full meaning is “too brave/man”.

    91. LEODISKOS (Λεοντίσκος) m ancient Greek
    He was son of Ptolemy A’ and Thais, His name derives from Λέων (= lion) + the ending -iskos (=little). His name’s full etymology is “Little Lion”

    92. EPHRANOR (Ευφράνωρ) m ancient Greek
    He was General of Perseas. It derives from the verb Ευφραίνω (= delight). Its full meaning is “the one who delights”.

    93. DIONYSOPHON m Ancient Greek
    It has the meaning “Voice of Dionysos”. The ending -phon is typical among ancient greek names.

    MACEDONIAN WOMEN
    94. ANTIGONE f ancient Greek
    Usage: Greek Mythology
    Pronounced: an-TIG-o-nee
    Means ‘against birth’ from Greek anti ‘against’ and gone ‘birth’. In Greek legend Antigone was the daughter of Oedipus and Jocasta. King Creon of Thebes declared that her slain brother Polynices was to remain unburied, a great dishonour. She disobeyed and gave him a proper burial, and for this she was sealed alive in a cave. Antigone of Pydna was the mistress of Philotas, the son of Parmenion and commander of Alexander the Great’s Companion cavalry (Plutarch, Alexander, ‘The Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans’).

    95. VOULOMAGA (Βουλομάγα) f ancient greek
    Derives from greek words “Βούλομαι (=desire) + άγαν (=too much)”. Her name is found among donators.

    96. ATALANTE (Αταλαντη) f ancient Greek
    Her name means in Greek “without talent”. She was daughter of Orontes, and sister of Perdiccas.

    97. AGELAEIA (Αγελαεία) f ancient Greek
    Wife of Amyntas, from the city of Beroia (S.E.G vol 48. insc. 738)
    It derives from the adj. Αγέλα-ος ( = the one who belongs to a herd)

    98. ATHENAIS (Αθηναϊς) f ancient Greek
    The name was found on an altar of Heracles Kigagidas in Beroia. It derives from the name Athena and the ending -is meaning “small”. Its whole meaning is “little Athena”.

    99. STRATONIKE f Ancient Greek (STRATONICE Latinized)
    Means ‘victorious army’ from stratos ‘army’ and nike ‘victory’. Sister of King Perdiccas II. “…and Perdiccas afterwards gave his sister Stratonice to Seuthes as he had promised.” (Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War, Chapter VIII)

    100. THETIMA f Ancient Greek
    A name from Pella Katadesmos. It has the meaning “she who honors the gods”; the standard Attic form would be Theotimē.



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    just remember to eat dinner its almost night at Aimos
    Cetina related with Mycenaean civilization come on this is a joke not Seima -Turbino. Considering also lack of R1b so far and minimal step for sure Seima - Turbino.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    @ Blevins

    Until now you told us nothing,
    remember that proto-Cetina is connected with Greeks
    and Thracians were also what you claim,
    while Illyrians were Celtoids
    IN FACT EAST OF OLYMP LIVED THE THRACIANS TRIBE PIEROI OF ORPHEUS, THE NORTHERN MYCENEANS, AND THE HERAKLEIDES which evolute to Makedonians.
    SO YOUR OPINION MEANS NOTHING AND IS JUST ANOTHER SPECULATED SPAM-POST JUST FOR IMPRESSIONS
    YOU POST US A LINK WHICH YOU HAVE NOIT READ IT EVEN YOU





    @ Pirro

    FIRST
    LEARN TO WRITE CORRECT THE NAME OF EPIROS GREEK KING

    SECOND
    Alexander's grandma was Illyrian origin, a typical bargain among kings,
    But read this
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Erigon_Valley
    the hate among Makedonians Brygians included and Illyrians was so big.

    THIRD

    they claim that 3 Makedonians were is up your mind

    read the etymolgy of the names


    100 MAKEDONIAN NAMES ALL HAVE GREEK ETYMOLOGY

    KINGS OF MACEDON AND DIADOCHI
    1. ALEXANDROS m Ancient Greek (ALEXANDER Latinized)
    Pronounced: al-eg-ZAN-dur
    From the Greek name Alexandros, which meant ‘defending men’ from Greek alexein ‘to defend, protect, help’ and aner ‘man’ (genitive andros). Alexander the Great, King of Macedon, is the most famous bearer of this name. In the 4th century BC he built a huge empire out of Greece, Egypt, Persia, and parts of India. The name was borne by five kings of Macedon.

    2. PHILIPPOS m Ancient Greek (PHILIP Latinized)
    Pronounced: FIL-ip
    From the Greek name Philippos which means ‘friend of horses’, composed of the elements philos ‘friend’ and hippos ‘horse’. The name was borne by five kings of Macedon, including Philip II the father of Alexander the Great.

    3. AEROPOS m Ancient Greek, Greek Mythology
    Male form of Aerope who in Greek mythology was the wife of King Atreus of Mycenae. Aeropos was also the son of Aerope, daughter of Kepheus: ‘Ares, the Tegeans say, mated with Aerope, daughter of Kepheus (king of Tegea), the son of Aleos. She died in giving birth to a child, Aeropos, who clung to his mother even when she was dead, and sucked great abundance of milk from her breasts. Now this took place by the will of Ares.’ (Pausanias 8.44.) The name was borne by two kings of Macedon.

    4. ALKETAS m Ancient Greek (ALCAEUS Latinized)
    Pronounced: al-SEE-us
    Derived from Greek alke meaning ‘strength’. This was the name of a 7th-century BC lyric poet from the island of Lesbos.

    5. AMYNTAS m Ancient Greek
    Derived from Greek amyntor meaning ‘defender’. The name was borne by three kings of Macedon.

    6. ANTIGONOS m Ancient Greek (ANTIGONUS Latinized)
    Pronounced: an-TIG-o-nus
    Means ‘like the ancestor’ from Greek anti ‘like’ and goneus ‘ancestor’. This was the name of one of Alexander the Great’s generals. After Alexander died, he took control of most of Asia Minor. He was known as Antigonus ‘Monophthalmos’ (‘the One-Eyed’). Antigonos II (ruled 277-239 BC) was known as ‘Gonatos’ (‘knee, kneel’).

    7. ANTIPATROS m Ancient Greek (ANTIPATER Latinized)
    Pronounced: an-TI-pa-tur
    From the Greek name Antipatros, which meant ‘like the father’ from Greek anti ‘like’ and pater ‘father’. This was the name of an officer of Alexander the Great, who became the regent of Macedon during Alexander’s absence.

    8. ARCHELAOS m Ancient Greek (ARCHELAUS Latinized)
    Pronounced: ar-kee-LAY-us
    Latinized form of the Greek name Archelaos, which meant ‘master of the people’ from arche ‘master’ and laos ‘people’. It was also the name of the 7th Spartan king who came in the throne of Sparti in 886 BC, long before the establishment of the Macedonian state.

    9. ARGAIOS m Greek Mythology (ARGUS Latinized)
    Derived from Greek argos meaning ‘glistening, shining’. In Greek myth this name belongs to both the man who built the Argo and a man with a hundred eyes. The name was borne by three kings of Macedon.

    10. DEMETRIOS m Ancient Greek (DEMETRIUS Latinized)
    Latin form of the Greek name Demetrios, which was derived from the name of the Greek goddess Demeter. Kings of Macedon and the Seleucid kingdom have had this name. Demetrios I (ruled 309-301 BC) was known as ‘Poliorketes’ (the ‘Beseiger’).

    11. KARANOS m Ancient Greek (CARANUS Latinized)
    Derived from the archaic Greek word ‘koiranos’ or ‘karanon”, meaning ‘ruler’, ‘leader’ or ‘king’. Both words stem from the same archaic Doric root ‘kara’ meaning head, hence leader, royal master. The word ‘koiranos’ already had the meaning of ruler or king in Homer. Karanos is the name of the founder of the Argead dynasty of the Kings of Macedon.

    12. KASSANDROS m Greek Mythology (CASSANDER Latinized)
    Pronounced: ka-SAN-dros
    Possibly means ‘shining upon man’, derived from Greek kekasmai ‘to shine’ and aner ‘man’ (genitive andros). In Greek myth Cassandra was a Trojan princess, the daughter of Priam and Hecuba. She was given the gift of prophecy by Apollo, but when she spurned his advances he cursed her so nobody would believe her prophecies. The name of a king of Macedon.

    13. KOINOS m Ancient Greek
    Derived from Greek koinos meaning ‘usual, common’. An Argead king of Macedon in the 8th century BC.

    14. LYSIMACHOS m Ancient Greek (LYSIMACHUS Latinized)
    Means ‘a loosening of battle’ from Greek lysis ‘a release, loosening’ and mache ‘battle’. This was the name of one of Alexander the Great’s generals. After Alexander’s death Lysimachus took control of Thrace.

    15. SELEUKOS m Ancient Greek (SELEUCUS Latinized)
    Means ‘to be light’, ‘to be white’, derived from the Greek word leukos meaning ‘white, bright’. This was the name of one of Alexander’s generals that claimed most of Asia and founded the Seleucid dynasty after the death of Alexander in Babylon.

    16. ARRIDHAIOS m Ancient Greek
    Son of Philip II and later king of Macedon. The greek etymology is Ari (= much) + adj Daios (= terrifying). Its full meaning is “too terrifying”. Its Aeolian type is Arribaeos.

    17. ORESTES m Greek Mythology
    Pronounced: o-RES-teez
    Derived from Greek orestais meaning ‘of the mountains’. In Greek myth he was the son of Agamemnon. He killed his mother Clytemnestra after she killed his father. The name of a king of Macedon (ruled 399-396 BC).

    18. PAUSANIAS m Ancient Greek
    King of Macedon in 393 BC. Pausanias was also the name of the Spartan king at the Battle of Plataea in 479 BC, and the name of the Greek traveller, geographer and writer whose most famous work is ‘Description of Greece’, and also the name of the man who assassinated Philip II of Macedon in 336 BC.

    19. PERDIKKAS m Ancient Greek (PERDICCAS Latinized)
    Derived from Greek perdika meaning ‘partridge’. Perdikkas I is presented as founder of the kingdom of Macedon in Herodotus 8.137. The name was borne by three kings of Macedon.

    20. PERSEUS m Greek Mythology
    Pronounced: PUR-see-us
    It derives from Greek verb pertho meaning ‘to destroy, conquer’. Its full meaning is the “conqueror”. Perseus was a hero in Greek legend. He killed Medusa, who was so ugly that anyone who gazed upon her was turned to stone, by looking at her in the reflection of his shield and slaying her in her sleep. The name of a king of Macedon (ruled 179-168 BC).

    21. PTOLEMEOS m Ancient Greek (PTOLEMY Latinized)
    Pronounced: TAWL-e-mee
    Derived from Greek polemeios meaning ‘aggressive’ or ‘warlike’. Ptolemy was the name of several Greco-Egyptian rulers of Egypt, all descendents of Ptolemy I, one of Alexander the Great’s generals. This was also the name of a Greek astronomer. Ptolemy ‘Keraunos’ (ruled 281-279 BC) is named after the lighting bolt thrown by Zeus.

    22. TYRIMMAS m Greek Mythology
    Tyrimmas, an Argead king of Macedon and son of Coenus. Also known as Temenus. In Greek mythology, Temenus was the son of Aristomaches and a great-great grandson of Herakles. He became king of Argos. Tyrimmas was also a man from Epirus and father of Evippe, who consorted with Odysseus (Parthenius of Nicaea, Love Romances, 3.1). Its full meaning is “the one who loves cheese”.

    QUEENS AND ROYAL FAMILY
    23. EURYDIKE f Greek Mythology (EURYDICE Latinized)
    Means ‘wide justice’ from Greek eurys ‘wide’ and dike ‘justice’. In Greek myth she was the wife of Orpheus. Her husband tried to rescue her from Hades, but he failed when he disobeyed the condition that he not look back upon her on their way out. Name of the mother of Philip II of Macedon.

    24. BERENIKE f Ancient Greek (BERENICE Latinized)
    Pronounced: ber-e-NIE-see
    Means ‘bringing victory’ from pherein ‘to bring’ and nike ‘victory’. This name was common among the Ptolemy ruling family of Egypt.

    25. KLEOPATRA f Ancient Greek (CLEOPATRA Latinized), English
    Pronounced: klee-o-PAT-ra
    Means ‘glory of the father’ from Greek kleos ‘glory’ combined with patros ‘of the father’. In the Iliad, the name of the wife of Meleager of Aetolia. This was also the name of queens of Egypt from the Ptolemaic royal family, including Cleopatra VII, the mistress of both Julius Caesar and Mark Antony. After being defeated by Augustus she committed suicide by allowing herself to be bitten by an asp. Also the name of a bride of Philip II of Macedon.

    26. CYNNA f Ancient Greek
    Half-sister of Alexander the great. Her name derives from the adj. of doric dialect Cyna (= tough).

    27. THESSALONIKI f Ancient Greek
    Means ‘victory over the Thessalians’, from the name of the region of Thessaly and niki, meaning ‘victory’. Name of Alexander the Great’s step sister and of the city of Thessaloniki which was named after her in 315 BC.

    GENERALS, SOLDIERS, PHILOSOPHERS AND OTHERS
    28. PARMENION m ancient Greek
    The most famous General of Philip and Alexander the great. Another famous bearer of this name was the olympic winner Parmenion of Mitiline. His name derives from the name Parmenon + the ending -ion used to note descendancy. It means the “descedant of Parmenon”.

    29. PEUKESTAS m Ancient Greek
    He saved Alexander the Great in India. One of the most known Macedonians. His name derives from Πευκής (= sharp) + the Doric ending -tas. Its full meaning is the “one who is sharp”.

    30. ARISTOPHANES m Ancient Greek
    Derived from the Greek elements aristos ‘best’ and phanes ‘appearing’. The name of one of Alexander the Great’s personal body guard who was present during the murder of Cleitus. (Plutarch, Alexander, ‘The Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans’). This was also the name of a 5th-century BC Athenian playwright.

    31. KORRAGOS m Ancient Greek
    The Macedonian who challenged into a fight the Olympic winner Dioxippos and lost. His name derives from Koira (= army) + ago (= lead). Korragos has the meaning of “the leader of the army”.

    32. ARISTON m Ancient Greek
    Derived from Greek aristos meaning ‘the best’. The name of a Macedonian officer on campaign with Alexander the Great (Arrian, Anabasis, Book II, 9 and Book III, 11, 14).

    33. KLEITUS m Ancient Greek (CLEITUS Latinized)
    Means ‘calling forth’ or ‘summoned’ in Greek. A phalanx battalion commander in Alexander the Great’s army at the Battle of Hydaspes. Also the name of Alexander’s nurse’s brother, who severed the arm of the Persian Spithridates at the Battle of the Granicus.

    34. HEPHAISTION m Greek Mythology
    Derived from Hephaistos (‘Hephaestus’ Latinized) who in Greek mythology was the god of fire and forging and one of the twelve Olympian deities. Hephaistos in Greek denotes a ‘furnace’ or ‘volcano’. Hephaistion was the companion and closest friend of Alexander the Great. He was also known as ‘Philalexandros’ (‘friend of Alexander’).

    35. HERAKLEIDES m Ancient Greek (HERACLEIDES Latinized)
    Perhaps means ‘key of Hera’ from the name of the goddess Hera combined with Greek kleis ‘key’ or kleidon ‘little key’. The name of two Macedonian soldiers on campaign with Alexander the Great (Arrian, Anabasis, Book I, 2; Book III, 11 and Book VII, 16).

    36. KRATEROS m Ancient Greek (CRATERUS Latinized)
    Derived from Greek adj. Κρατερός (= Powerful). This was the name of one of Alexander the Great’s generals. A friend of Alexander the Great, he was also known as ‘Philobasileus’ (‘friend of the King’).

    37. NEOPTOLEMOS m Greek Mythology (NEOPTOLEMUS Latinized)
    Means ‘new war’, derived from Greek neos ‘new’ and polemos ‘war’. In Greek legend this was the name of the son of Achilles, brought into the Trojan War because it was prophesied the Greeks could not win it unless he was present. After the war he was slain by Orestes because of his marriage to Hermione. Neoptolemos was believed to be the ancestor of Alexander the Great on his mother’s (Olympias’) side (Plutarch). The name of two Macedonian soldiers during Alexander’s campaigns (Arrian, Anabasis, Book I, 6 and Book II, 27).

    38. PHILOTAS m Ancient Greek
    From Greek philotes meaning ‘friendship’. Son of Parmenion and a commander of Alexander the Great’s Companion cavalry.

    39. PHILOXENOS m Ancient Greek
    Meaning ‘friend of strangers’ derived from Greek philos meaning friend and xenos meaning ‘stranger, foreigner’. The name of a Macedonian soldier on campaign with Alexander the Great (Arrian, Anabasis, Book III, 6).

    40. MENELAOS m Greek Mythology (MENELAUS Latinized)
    Means ‘withstanding the people’ from Greek meno ‘to last, to withstand’ and laos ‘the people’. In Greek legend he was a king of Sparta and the husband of Helen. When his wife was taken by Paris, the Greeks besieged the city of Troy in an effort to get her back. After the war Menelaus and Helen settled down to a happy life. Macedonian naval commander during the wars of the Diadochi and brother of Ptolemy Lagos.

    41. LAOMEDON m ancient greek
    Friend from boyhood of Alexander and later Satrap. His names derives from the greek noun laos (λαός = “people” + medon (μέδω = “the one who governs”)

    42. POLYPERCHON Ancient Greek
    Macedonian, Son of Simmias His name derives from the greek word ‘Πολύ’ (=much) + σπέρχω (= rush).

    43. HEGELOCHOS m (HEGELOCHUS Latinized)
    Known as the conspirator. His name derives from the greek verb (ηγέομαι = “walking ahead” + greek noun λόχος = “set up ambush”).

    44. POLEMON m ancient Greek
    From the house of Andromenes. Brother of Attalos. Means in greek “the one who is fighting in war”.

    45. AUTODIKOS m ancient greek
    Somatophylax of Philip III. His name in greek means “the one who takes the law into his (own) hands”

    46. BALAKROS m ancient Greek
    Son of Nicanor. We already know Macedonians usually used a “beta” instead of a “phi” which was used by Atheneans (eg. “belekys” instead of “pelekys”, “balakros” instead of “falakros”). “Falakros” has the meaning of “bald”.

    47. NIKANOR (Nικάνωρ m ancient Greek; Latin: Nicanor) means “victor” – from Nike (Νικη) meaning “victory”.
    Nicanor was the name of the father of Balakras. He was a distinguished Macedonian during the reign of Phillip II.
    Another Nicanor was the son of Parmenion and brother of Philotas. He was a distinguished officer (commander of the Hypaspists) in the service of Alexander the Great. He died of disease in Bactria in 330 BC.

    48. LEONNATOS m ancient Greek
    One of the somatophylakes of Alexander. His name derives from Leon (= Lion) + the root Nat of noun Nator (= dashing). The full meaning is “Dashing like the lion”.

    49. KRITOLAOS m ancient Hellinic
    He was a potter from Pella. His name was discovered in amphoras in Pella during 1980-87. His name derives from Κρίτος (= the chosen) + Λαός (= the people). Its full meaning is “the chosen of the people”.

    50. ZOILOS m ancient Hellinic
    Father of Myleas from Beroia – From zo-e (ΖΩΗ) indicating ‘lively’, ‘vivacious’. Hence the Italian ‘Zoilo’

    51. ZEUXIS m ancient Hellinic
    Name of a Macedonian commander of Lydia in the time of Antigonos III and also the name of a Painter from Heraclea – from ‘zeugnumi’ = ‘to bind’, ‘join together’

    52. LEOCHARIS m ancient Hellinic
    Sculptor – Deriving from ‘Leon’ = ‘lion’ and ‘charis’ = ‘grace’. Literally meaning the ‘lion’s grace’.

    53. DEINOKRATIS m ancient Hellinic
    Helped Alexander to create Alexandria in Egypt.
    From ‘deinow’ = ‘to make terrible’ and ‘kratein’ = “to rule”
    Obviously indicating a ‘terrible ruler’

    54. ADMETOS (Άδμητος) m Ancient Greek
    derive from the word a+damaw(damazw) and mean tameless,obstreperous.Damazw mean chasten, prevail

    55. ANDROTIMOS (Ανδρότιμος) m Ancient Greek
    derive from the words andreios (brave, courageous) and timitis(honest, upright )

    56. PEITHON m Ancient Greek
    Means “the one who persuades”. It was a common name among Macedonians and the most famous holders of that names were Peithon, son of Sosicles, responsible for the royal pages and Peithon, son of Krateuas, a marshal of Alexander the Great.

    57. SOSTRATOS m Ancient Greek
    Derives from the Greek words “Σως (=safe) +Στρατος (=army)”. He was son of Amyntas and was executed as a conspirator.

    58. DIMNOS m Ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek verb “δειμαίνω (= i have fear). One of the conspirators.

    59. TIMANDROS m Ancient Greek
    Meaning “Man’s honour”. It derives from the greek words “Τιμή (=honour) + Άνδρας (=man). One of the commanders of regular Hypaspistes.

    60. TLEPOLEMOS ,(τληπόλεμος) m Ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words “τλήμων (=brave) + πόλεμος (=war)”. In greek mythology Tlepolemos was a son of Heracles. In alexanders era, Tlepolemos was appointed Satrap of Carmania from Alexander the Great.

    61. AXIOS (Άξιος) m ancient Greek
    Meaning “capable”. His name was found on one inscription along with his patronymic “Άξιος Αντιγόνου Μακεδών”.

    62. THEOXENOS (Θεόξενος) ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words “θεός (=god) + ξένος (=foreigner).His name appears as a donator of the Apollo temple along with his patronymic and city of origin(Θεόξενος Αισχρίωνος Κασσανδρεύς).

    63. MITRON (Μήτρων) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek word “Μήτηρ (=Mother)”. Mitron of Macedon appears in a inscription as a donator

    64. KLEOCHARIS (Κλεοχάρης) M ancient greek
    Derives from greek words “Κλέος (=fame) + “Χάρις (=Grace). Kleocharis, son of Pytheas from Amphipoli was a Macedonian honoured in the city of Eretria at the time of Demetrius son of Antigonus.

    65. PREPELAOS (Πρεπέλαος) m, ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words “πρέπω (=be distinguished) + λαος (=people). He was a general of Kassander.

    66. HIPPOLOCHOS (Ιππόλοχος) m, ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek words “Ίππος” (= horse) + “Λόχος”(=set up ambush). Hippolochos was a Macedonian historian (ca. 300 B.C.)

    67. ALEXARCHOS (Αλέξαρχος) m, ancient Greek
    Derives from Greek “Αλέξω” (=defend, protect, help) + “Αρχος ” (= master). Alexarchos was brother of Cassandros.

    68. ASCLEPIODOROS (Ασκληπιοδορος) m Ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek words Asclepios (= cut up) + Doro (=Gift). Asclepios was the name of the god of healing and medicine in Greek mythology. Asclepiodoros was a prominent Macedonian, son of Eunikos from Pella. Another Asclepiodoros in Alexander’s army was son of Timandros.

    69. KALLINES (Καλλινης) m Ancient Greek
    Derives from greek words kalli + nao (=stream beautifully). He was a Macedonian, officer of companions.

    70. PLEISTARHOS (Πλείσταρχος) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek words Pleistos (=too much) + Arhos ((= master). He was younger brother of Cassander.

    71. POLYKLES (Πολυκλής) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the words Poli (=city) + Kleos (glory). Macedonian who served as Strategos of Antipater.

    72. POLYDAMAS (Πολυδάμας) m ancient Greek
    The translation of his name means “the one who subordinates a city”. One Hetairos.

    73. APOLLOPHANES (Απολλοφάνης) m ancient greek.
    His name derives from the greek verb “απολλυμι” (=to destroy) and φαίνομαι (= appear to be). Apollophanes was a prominent Macedonian who was appointed Satrap of Oreitae.

    74. ARCHIAS (Αρχίας) m ancient Greek
    His name derive from greek verb Άρχω (=head or be in command). Archias was one of the Macedonian trierarchs in Hydaspes river.

    75. ARCHESILAOS (Αρχεσίλαος) m ancient Greek
    His name derive from greek verb Άρχω (=head or be in command) + Λαος (= people). Archesilaos was a Macedonian that received the satrapy of Mesopotamia in the settlement of 323.

    76. ARETAS (Αρετας) m ancient Greek
    Derives from the greek word Areti (=virtue). He was commander of Sarissoforoi at Gaugamela.

    77. KLEANDROS (Κλέανδρος) m ancient Greek
    Derives from greek verb Κλέος (=fame) + Ανδρος (=man). He was commander of Archers and was killed in Hallicarnasus in 334 BC.

    78. AGESISTRATOS (Αγησίστρατος) m ancient greek
    Father of Paramonos, a general of Antigonos Doson. His name derives from verb ηγήσομαι ( = lead in command) + στρατος (= army). “Hgisomai” in Doric dialect is “Agisomai”. Its full meaning is “the one who leads the army”

    79. AGERROS (Αγερρος) M ancient Greek
    He was father of Andronikos, general of Alexander. His name derives from the verb αγέρρω (= the one who makes gatherings)

    80. AVREAS (Αβρέας) m ancient Greek
    Officer of Alexander the great. His name derives from the adj. αβρός (=polite)

    81. AGATHANOR (Αγαθάνωρ) m ancient Greek
    Som of Thrasycles. He was priest of Asklepios for about 5 years. His origin was from Beroia as is attested from an inscription. His name derives from the adj. αγαθός (= virtuous) + ανήρ (= man). The full meaning of his name is “Virtuous man”

    82. AGAKLES (Αγακλής) m ancient Greek
    He was son of Simmihos and was from Pella. He is known from a resolution of Aetolians. His name derives from the adj. Αγακλεής (= too glorious)

    83. AGASIKLES (Αγασικλής) m ancient Greek
    Son of Mentor, from Dion of Macedonia. It derives from the verb άγαμαι (= admire) + Κλέος (=fame). Its full meaning is “the one who admires fame”

    84. AGGAREOS (Αγγάρεος) m ancient Greek
    Son of Dalon from Amphipolis. He is known from an inscription of Amphipolis (S.E.G vol 31. ins. 616) It derives from the noun Αγγαρεία (= news)

    85. AGELAS (Αγέλας) m ancient Greek
    Son of Alexander. He was born during the mid-5th BCE and was an ambassador of Macedonians during the treaty between Macedonians and Atheneans. This treaty exists in inscription 89.vol1 Fasc.1 Ed.3″Attic inscrip.”
    His name was common among Heraclides and Bacchiades. One Agelas was king of Corinth during the first quarter of 5 BCE. His name derives from the verb άγω (= lead) and the noun Λαός (= people or even soldiers (Homeric)). The full meaning is the “one who leads the people/soldiers”.

    86. AGIPPOS (Άγιππος) m ancient Greek
    He was from Beroia of Macedonia and lived during middle 3rd BCE. He is known from an inscription found in Beroia where his name appears as the witness in a slave-freeing. Another case bearing the name Agippos in the Greek world was the father of Timokratos from Zakynthos. The name Agippos derives from the verb άγω (= lead) + the word ίππος (= Horse). Its full meaning is “the one who leads the horse/calvary”.

    87. AGLAIANOS (Αγλαϊάνος) m ancient Greek
    He was from Amphipolis of Macedonia (c. 4th BC) and he is known from an inscription S.E.G vol41., insc. 556
    His name consists of aglai- from the verb αγλαϊζω (= honour) and the ending -anos.

    88. AGNOTHEOS (Αγνόθεος) m ancient Greek
    Macedonian, possibly from Pella. His name survived from an inscription found in Pella between 300-250 BCE. (SEG vol46.insc.799)
    His name derives from Αγνός ( = pure) + Θεός (=God). The full meaning is “the one who has inside a pure god”

    89. ATHENAGORAS (Αθηναγόρας) m ancient Greek
    General of Philip V. He was the general who stopped Dardanian invasion in 199 BC. His name derives from the verb αγορά-ομαι (=deliver a speech) + the name Αθηνά (= Athena).

    90. PERIANDROS (Περίανδρος) m ancient Greek
    Son of the Macedonian historian Marsyas. His name derives from Περί (= too much) + άνηρ (man, brave). Its full meaning is “too brave/man”.

    91. LEODISKOS (Λεοντίσκος) m ancient Greek
    He was son of Ptolemy A’ and Thais, His name derives from Λέων (= lion) + the ending -iskos (=little). His name’s full etymology is “Little Lion”

    92. EPHRANOR (Ευφράνωρ) m ancient Greek
    He was General of Perseas. It derives from the verb Ευφραίνω (= delight). Its full meaning is “the one who delights”.

    93. DIONYSOPHON m Ancient Greek
    It has the meaning “Voice of Dionysos”. The ending -phon is typical among ancient greek names.

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    94. ANTIGONE f ancient Greek
    Usage: Greek Mythology
    Pronounced: an-TIG-o-nee
    Means ‘against birth’ from Greek anti ‘against’ and gone ‘birth’. In Greek legend Antigone was the daughter of Oedipus and Jocasta. King Creon of Thebes declared that her slain brother Polynices was to remain unburied, a great dishonour. She disobeyed and gave him a proper burial, and for this she was sealed alive in a cave. Antigone of Pydna was the mistress of Philotas, the son of Parmenion and commander of Alexander the Great’s Companion cavalry (Plutarch, Alexander, ‘The Lives of the Noble Grecians and Romans’).

    95. VOULOMAGA (Βουλομάγα) f ancient greek
    Derives from greek words “Βούλομαι (=desire) + άγαν (=too much)”. Her name is found among donators.

    96. ATALANTE (Αταλαντη) f ancient Greek
    Her name means in Greek “without talent”. She was daughter of Orontes, and sister of Perdiccas.

    97. AGELAEIA (Αγελαεία) f ancient Greek
    Wife of Amyntas, from the city of Beroia (S.E.G vol 48. insc. 738)
    It derives from the adj. Αγέλα-ος ( = the one who belongs to a herd)

    98. ATHENAIS (Αθηναϊς) f ancient Greek
    The name was found on an altar of Heracles Kigagidas in Beroia. It derives from the name Athena and the ending -is meaning “small”. Its whole meaning is “little Athena”.

    99. STRATONIKE f Ancient Greek (STRATONICE Latinized)
    Means ‘victorious army’ from stratos ‘army’ and nike ‘victory’. Sister of King Perdiccas II. “…and Perdiccas afterwards gave his sister Stratonice to Seuthes as he had promised.” (Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War, Chapter VIII)

    100. THETIMA f Ancient Greek
    A name from Pella Katadesmos. It has the meaning “she who honors the gods”; the standard Attic form would be Theotimē.



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    just remember to eat dinner its almost night at Aimos
    1. Alexandros - defending men in greek, but what does it mean in Trojan, Paris was called Alexander as well....? I guess Trojans were Greek after all? Keep bouncing is all fun for us:)


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    So they are Thracian?? 1500 BC Thracian tumulus in Macedonia? Right?


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    Nobody said they are Thracian.
    You said they were Illyrians and now you say are thracian


    But with NO evidences ,
    Just a personal claim and your opinion

    So your Post is not to be taken Serious,
    Come ask The archaiologists

    other wise you just are a volunteer for Personal opinion evidences Scholar.

    And what 1500 BC?
    at 1500 Both Myceneans and Greeks were in their known Lands,
    and Illyrian were in Austria, and original Albanians at Dacia.

    So Bye Bye personal Opinion,

    The one who found that Tumulus in Greece are Illyrian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    1. Alexandros - defending men in greek, but what does it mean in Trojan, Paris was called Alexander as well....? I guess Trojans were Greek after all? Keep bouncing is all fun for us:)


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    ANOTHER PERSONAL OPINION OF YOURS?

    Woaw, TYOU SHOULD GO TO SETI SEARCHING FOR ALLIENS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Cetina related with Mycenaean civilization come on this is a joke not Seima -Turbino. Considering also lack of R1b so far and minimal step for sure Seima - Turbino.


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    Blevins mycenean core shows Catacomb culture,
    And Yes Cetina is the first split of Greeks around 2500-3000 BC


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Blevins mycenean core shows Catacomb culture,
    And Yes Cetina is the first split of Greeks around 2500-3000 BC


    Do not forget to eat, maybe dinner will calm you.
    I am on diet so no dinner ... so let’s have some more fun, what about Seima-Turbino, is that my invention???? Bouncing keep bouncing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    ANOTHER PERSONAL OPINION OF YOURS?

    Woaw, TYOU SHOULD GO TO SETI SEARCHING FOR ALLIENS.
    What is the meaning of Aléxandros in Trojan???? Same as Greek or else?
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_(mythology)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Nobody said they are Thracian.
    You said they were Illyrians and now you say are thracian


    But with NO evidences ,
    Just a personal claim and your opinion

    So your Post is not to be taken Serious,
    Come ask The archaiologists

    other wise you just are a volunteer for Personal opinion evidences Scholar.

    And what 1500 BC?
    at 1500 Both Myceneans and Greeks were in their known Lands,
    and Illyrian were in Austria, and original Albanians at Dacia.

    So Bye Bye personal Opinion,

    The one who found that Tumulus in Greece are Illyrian.
    My personal opinion? But Did I write this book as well. Seima Turbino culture

    The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.
    By David W. Anthony, 2007

    Did I write this as well:
    https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingL...eceMycenae.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    ANOTHER PERSONAL OPINION OF YOURS?

    Woaw, TYOU SHOULD GO TO SETI SEARCHING FOR ALLIENS.
    There’s nothing wrong with SETI :)

    I already joined [email protected]

    I’m scanning for ET and writing to you at the same time. lol

    Everybody should join SETI.

    https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/
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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I am on diet so no dinner ... so let’s have some more fun, what about Seima-Turbino, is that my invention???? Bouncing keep bouncing.


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    Fun what fun?

    you forgot to eat, you forgot what you write, you forgot what you read,

    hm it is better not to make fun with you,
    it is not wise to make fun with people who had brain stroke,

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    I don't forget anything......just to clarify Members of this Forum.
    For many years Greek archeology has tried to establish a connection between Tumulus burials (Kurgan Culture) and Mycenaean Culure.
    But according to The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World, David W Anthony and https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingL...eceMycenae.htm

    "The Mycenaeans were West Indo-Europeans, part of a much greater expansion and migration of Indo-Europeans (IEs) from the northern shores of the Black Sea and Caspian Sea. A general consensus of scholarly opinion was that they migrated into Eastern Europe from the Pontic-Caspian steppe in the period between 3300-2600 BC. After having left the main westwards migration of proto-IE around 2500 BC, they gradually blended into the indigenous population in the lower Balkans (the Pelasgians) between then and 2000 BC. However, in recent years that idea has undergone some refinement.
    Clearly the Mycenaeans were part of an imported steppe culture. But the close relationship between Mycenaean and proto-Indo-Iranian languages shows that these two branches divided fairly late, sometime between 2500-2000 BC. Archaeologically, Mycenaean chariots, spearheads, daggers and other bronze objects show striking similarities to the Seima-Turbino culture (between about 1900-1600 BC) of the northern Russian forest-steppes, known for the great mobility of its nomadic warriors (Seima-Turbino sites have been found as far away as Mongolia). It is therefore likely that the Mycenaeans descended from the steppe into Greece between 1900-1650 BC, where they intermingled with the locals to create a new, unique Greek culture. Naturally, as the new dominant force in the region, their language would also have dominated. The locals had gained between 62% and 86% of their DNA from people who had introduced farming from Anatolia as part of 'Old Europe'. They would have adopted this language fairly quickly and, if not them, then their children or grandchildren would have, which is why modern Greek expresses its IE origins so clearly. However, the IE influence on DNA in Greece was more subtle than across much of Europe, showing that these Mycenaean IEs arriving in Greece were less in number than some of their IE cousins.

    The new proto-Greek speakers covered a swathe of territory that reached as far north as Epirus. They emerged into the archaeological record rather suddenly, with the appearance of shaft grave royal burials around 1650 BC. but, whilst the first city states had emerged by 1600 BC (the same time at which Mycenaean culture also appears on Cyprus), the Mycenaeans did not form one nation state. Instead they banded their independent city states together under one leader in times of trouble. During their own time they were known primarily as Achaeans, after the Achaea region of Greece."

    So there is no relation between tumulus burials and Proto-Greeks, by 1500 BC there were no Greeks neither in Macedonia nor in Epirus. The Mycenaeanization of Macedonia (close to Mount Olympus) started later as stated in this research.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...cedonia_Greece


    And it seems that while gathering this info I might have had a brain stroke according to Yetos with illuminating effects.

    P.S.It is so fun to see Yetos Bouncing around like a wind-up toy just to deny the obvious, by 1500 BC there were no Greeks neither in Macedonia nor in Epirus.

    Have a good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13;574699

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    So there is no relation between tumulus burials and Proto-Greeks, by 1500 BC there were no Greeks neither in Macedonia nor in Epirus. The Mycenaeanization of Macedonia (close to Mount Olympus) started later as stated in this research.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...cedonia_Greece
    [/B]

    And it seems that while gathering this info I might have had a brain stroke according to Yetos with illuminating effects.

    P.S.It is so fun to see Yetos Bouncing around like a wind-up toy just to deny the obvious, by 1500 BC there were no Greeks neither in Macedonia nor in Epirus.

    Have a good day.

    What ever your heart desires

    But it is obvious you really do not history not only of illyrians, But of Greece and Balkans generally.

    Notice the bellow



    Illyrians are the people who enter Balkans from Noricum Austria 2 milleniums after the Greek existance,

    Btw I have fun
    your links and posts are indeed funny

    The area of protoGreek



    As you see Illyrians at that Era were in Alps,
    and Albanian language was far more East and North.


    HISTORY IS NOT ONLY GEOGRAPHY BUT ALSO TIMING.
    And if you do not want to be the funny guy, realize the above.

    Blevins the Mycenean world





    BLEVINS YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE AN ANCESTOR OF MYCENEANS AS YOU CLAIMED BEFORE FEW YEARS?

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    by 1500 BC there were no Greeks neither in Macedonia nor in Epirus.
    And this was exactly the situation 100 years ago. History is really interesting.
    17 Dec.
    Paget to the Council.

    Now the Council's letters seem to imply (words quoted) that the King will keep no strangers save the Albanoys.

    Cales, 17 Dec. 1545. Signed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    What ever your heart desires

    But it is obvious you really do not history not only of illyrians, But of Greece and Balkans generally.

    Notice the bellow



    Illyrians are the people who enter Balkans from Noricum Austria 2 milleniums after the Greek existance,

    Btw I have fun
    your links and posts are indeed funny

    The area of protoGreek



    As you see Illyrians at that Era were in Alps,
    and Albanian language was far more East and North.


    HISTORY IS NOT ONLY GEOGRAPHY BUT ALSO TIMING.
    And if you do not want to be the funny guy, realize the above.

    Blevins the Mycenean world





    BLEVINS YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE AN ANCESTOR OF MYCENEANS AS YOU CLAIMED BEFORE FEW YEARS?
    Member of the forum here you have a bad example of people that instead of presenting counter arguments in form of academic research as I did for the origin of Mycenaean and their connection to Macedonia, they start talking about me( what I know and what I don’t know, and Illyrians and Albanians off topic) and post youtube videos. Anyway I presented to the forum members that there is a switch now from what was initially thought for Mycenaean origin. Most likely their origin is related to Seima -Turbino phenomenon as explained above. They have no relationship with Kurgan culture and tumulus burials in Macedonia and Epirus at 1,500 B.C.
    Feel free to oppose this but with proper academic research.




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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Member of the forum here you have a bad example of people that instead of presenting counter arguments in form of academic research as I did for the origin of Mycenaean and their connection to Macedonia, they start talking about me( what I know and what I don’t know, and Illyrians and Albanians off topic) and post youtube videos. Anyway I presented to the forum members that there is a switch now from what was initially thought for Mycenaean origin. Most likely their origin is related to Seima -Turbino phenomenon as explained above. They have no relationship with Kurgan culture and tumulus burials in Macedonia and Epirus at 1,500 B.C.
    Feel free to oppose this but with proper academic research.




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    when you have an based argument, and not just confusion, spam, and fogy opinions,
    Go ahead bring it we will read and I will discuss it

    At Least do you realize now that YOUR Hideous spam, (Illyrian Mark is just your empathy and Mania?

    Until now you brought nothing, for discuss.
    in a Thread for Makedonians you mixed up Seima-Turbino, Steppes, what next? Altaic mountains or Caledonian Dna?

    Your answer is given above,
    split of proto Greek is about 3000 BC

    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Tumulus burial (generally accepted as marker of Illyrians) in Macedonia close to Mount Olympus before Mycenaean expansion
    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post



    THIS IS NOT EVEN TO Be DISCUSSED
    not to use word disgusting
    cause provides an empathy, a mania, or hidden effort to persuade someone for wrong facts.
    besides it is tottaly wrong, and says nothing in Link as you claim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    when you have an based argument, and not just confusion, spam, and fogy opinions,
    Go ahead bring it we will read and I will discuss it

    At Least do you realize now that YOUR Hideous spam, (Illyrian Mark is just your empathy and Mania?

    Until now you brought nothing, for discuss.
    in a Thread for Makedonians you mixed up Seima-Turbino, Steppes, what next? Altaic mountains or Caledonian Dna?

    Your answer is given above,
    split of proto Greek is about 3000 BC

    [FONT=Verdana]


    THIS IS NOT EVEN TO Be DISCUSSED
    not to use word disgusting
    cause provides an empathy, a mania, or hidden effort to persuade someone for wrong facts.
    besides it is tottaly wrong, and says nothing in Link as you claim.
    I laid down academic sources and non for the link that exist between Mycenaean (verified Linear B Greek language1450 BC) culture and Seima Turbino Culture as follows:
    1.book The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.
    By David W. Anthony, 2007 page 447

    2. Eupedia page on R1a Greek Branch
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#Greek

    3. The history files
    https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingL...eceMycenae.htm

    4. Ancient Metallurgy in the USSR: The Early Metal Age By Evgenil Nikolaevich Chernykh page 203

    I invite the members of this forum to go through this information and draw their own conclusions.
    If the above is true than Kurgan people in Macedonia in 1500 BC have nothing to do with Proto Greeks and Mycenaeans. Their Hellenization happened afterwards.
    I will show Accademia research of Illyrian Kurgan relation in a second step and at a proper thread.




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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsnake49 View Post
    Not enough loan words between the two languages to be neighbors for at least 3000 years. We have more loan words from the Turkish than Albanian and we were only neighbors and subjects for 4 centuries.
    Yes, you have from Albanian if you put aside the albaniphobia. And Turkish was the language of government for many years.

    Albanian and Greek languages share a lot between them, especially the Tosk alban. While Gheg have very ancient loanwords from Greek.

    If you'll see the Illyrian map, most of Illyrian speaking areas are lying away from the Greek influence.

    There were distinct branches of proto Illyrian. The southern ones located in northern Greece moved into Anatolia circa 1200bce as so called Mushki people (Phrygians, Armenians)

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I don't forget anything......just to clarify Members of this Forum.
    For many years Greek archeology has tried to establish a connection between Tumulus burials (Kurgan Culture) and Mycenaean Culure.
    But according to The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World, David W Anthony and https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingL...eceMycenae.htm

    "The Mycenaeans were West Indo-Europeans, part of a much greater expansion and migration of Indo-Europeans (IEs) from the northern shores of the Black Sea and Caspian Sea. A general consensus of scholarly opinion was that they migrated into Eastern Europe from the Pontic-Caspian steppe in the period between 3300-2600 BC. After having left the main westwards migration of proto-IE around 2500 BC, they gradually blended into the indigenous population in the lower Balkans (the Pelasgians) between then and 2000 BC. However, in recent years that idea has undergone some refinement.
    Clearly the Mycenaeans were part of an imported steppe culture. But the close relationship between Mycenaean and proto-Indo-Iranian languages shows that these two branches divided fairly late, sometime between 2500-2000 BC. Archaeologically, Mycenaean chariots, spearheads, daggers and other bronze objects show striking similarities to the Seima-Turbino culture (between about 1900-1600 BC) of the northern Russian forest-steppes, known for the great mobility of its nomadic warriors (Seima-Turbino sites have been found as far away as Mongolia). It is therefore likely that the Mycenaeans descended from the steppe into Greece between 1900-1650 BC, where they intermingled with the locals to create a new, unique Greek culture. Naturally, as the new dominant force in the region, their language would also have dominated. The locals had gained between 62% and 86% of their DNA from people who had introduced farming from Anatolia as part of 'Old Europe'. They would have adopted this language fairly quickly and, if not them, then their children or grandchildren would have, which is why modern Greek expresses its IE origins so clearly. However, the IE influence on DNA in Greece was more subtle than across much of Europe, showing that these Mycenaean IEs arriving in Greece were less in number than some of their IE cousins.

    The new proto-Greek speakers covered a swathe of territory that reached as far north as Epirus. They emerged into the archaeological record rather suddenly, with the appearance of shaft grave royal burials around 1650 BC. but, whilst the first city states had emerged by 1600 BC (the same time at which Mycenaean culture also appears on Cyprus), the Mycenaeans did not form one nation state. Instead they banded their independent city states together under one leader in times of trouble. During their own time they were known primarily as Achaeans, after the Achaea region of Greece."

    So there is no relation between tumulus burials and Proto-Greeks, by 1500 BC there were no Greeks neither in Macedonia nor in Epirus. The Mycenaeanization of Macedonia (close to Mount Olympus) started later as stated in this research.
    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...cedonia_Greece


    And it seems that while gathering this info I might have had a brain stroke according to Yetos with illuminating effects.

    P.S.It is so fun to see Yetos Bouncing around like a wind-up toy just to deny the obvious, by 1500 BC there were no Greeks neither in Macedonia nor in Epirus.

    Have a good day.
    The Greek myth, says that Hellenes and Persians had a common ancestor. Seems they were right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Member of the forum here you have a bad example of people that instead of presenting counter arguments in form of academic research as I did for the origin of Mycenaean and their connection to Macedonia, they start talking about me( what I know and what I don’t know, and Illyrians and Albanians off topic) and post youtube videos. Anyway I presented to the forum members that there is a switch now from what was initially thought for Mycenaean origin. Most likely their origin is related to Seima -Turbino phenomenon as explained above. They have no relationship with Kurgan culture and tumulus burials in Macedonia and Epirus at 1,500 B.C.
    Feel free to oppose this but with proper academic research.




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    Tracians were probably the first IE people settling in Balkans. It would be interesting to know what was their R1 Y-dna branch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Tracians were probably the first IE people settling in Balkans. It would be interesting to know what was their R1 Y-dna branch.


    How ? Source? They suppose to be later then Hellenic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post


    How ? Source? They suppose to be later then Hellenic
    Interesting map. Can I have the source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Tracians were probably the first IE people settling in Balkans. It would be interesting to know what was their R1 Y-dna branch.
    We already do. At least one so far was found in Bronze Age Bulgaria that was R1a-Z93.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post


    How ? Source? They suppose to be later then Hellenic
    It's from the Greek writings. They said that they found around here the Tracians. Even most modern scholars agree with this. Tracians were supposed to live in most of Balkans even before the spread of Illyrians from the north.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    We already do. At least one so far was found in Bronze Age Bulgaria that was R1a-Z93.
    Thank you for this info. Do you have any idea what century might it have been? Iron age is a long period. It might have been a Persian invader.


    So it is connected with the Indo Iranian Y-dna. So far we know that they were Ev13+Z93. That's a good help.

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