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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    I laid down academic sources and non for the link that exist between Mycenaean (verified Linear B Greek language1450 BC) culture and Seima Turbino Culture as follows:
    1.book The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.
    By David W. Anthony, 2007 page 447

    2. Eupedia page on R1a Greek Branch
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#Greek

    2. Eupedia page on R1a Greek Branch
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#Greek

    4. Ancient Metallurgy in the USSR: The Early Metal Age By Evgenil Nikolaevich Chernykh page 203

    I invite the members of this forum to go through this information and draw their own conclusions.
    If the above is true than Kurgan people in Macedonia in 1500 BC have nothing to do with Proto Greeks and Mycenaeans. Their Hellenization happened afterwards.
    I will show Accademia research of Illyrian Kurgan relation in a second step and at a proper thread.




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    when I post a link of a video of a dialexis about Myceneans
    YOU WERE PROUD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR MYCENEAN ANCESTRY.

    Now it is time to Find The GREEKS by your Theory,
    wanted or Not the bellow is according what you provide

    Watch after min 41:00



    The answer to your theories and opinions, after min 41:00

    Offcourse I keep my precautions,
    since all this steppe and Yamnaa is problematic, for me,
    BUT if you agree with it, and you are, this is your answer,
    Which when I posted, you were laughing, and Cheer ''I am Mycenean'
    Now the answer to you, given before 2 years, according your Theories.
    If you notice it, you would not bother us, (Forum) and your shelf.


    BTW
    DO YOU STILL CLAIM THAT YOU ARE A MYCENAN ORIGIN?

    book When and Whence the Greeks, Giannopoulos



    anyway I still am precautious about steppe,
    and you can not convince me,
    although today seems more possible,
    but the book is according all the above you wrote.


    If you can not understand it, your problem.
    SO STOP POSTING ABOUT MYCENEANS IN A THREAD ABOUT MAKEDONIANS.
    MAKEDONIANS CLAIM DORIAN DESCENT, NOT MYCENEAN

    AND MAKE THREAD ABOUT YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE HISTORICAL QUESTIONS AND GENNETICS.
    OR HOW MUCH MYCENEAN ARE YOU, AS CLAIMED IN PAST.

    before Lazarides papper, you were making irony with me, about your R1b, claiming Mycenean relativity, and Myceneans were R1b, what now? they were Steppe with average 14% steppe ancestry?
    and ask me if i believe that you a descendant or an ancestror of them, remeber?
    Now what? what scratches you about Myceneans?, and you post in a thread about Makedonians?
    about tumuli in lands of proto-Greeks, which are Illyrian according your Opinion, (Illyrian!!!, so tumuli enter Greece from the lands of Celts!!!!!! , West to East!!! against IE expansion East to West!!! )



    you know the moto,
    the one who scratches his back at tsompani's batton, is looking to be beaten, not scratched.


    FINALLY
    BLEVINS13
    do these bellow ,
    1.book The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.
    By David W. Anthony, 2007 page 447

    2. Eupedia page on R1a Greek Branch
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#Greek

    4. Ancient Metallurgy in the USSR: The Early Metal Age By Evgenil Nikolaevich Chernykh page 203

    which you proudly claim, SAY That Tumuli is mark of Illyrians? NO
    I guess not, so your effort, was either to disinform us, or you wanted to scratch your back at the batton.
    And when someone realize you, instead of cover, you attack with just whatever,
    your primary purpose was to 'show-blind' us that Makedonians were Illyrians, since they found some tumuli,
    and at the end you mix seima-turbino (were they Illyrians too?) mettalurgy, Steppe Myceneans Illyrians etc,,
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    All of you,
    understand these simple things

    1) makedonians never claim mycenean ancestry, but dorian,
    2) proto-greek appears with proto-brygian much earlier and north of mycenean world,



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    All of you,
    understand these simple things

    1) makedonians never claim mycenean ancestry, but dorian,
    2) proto-greek appears with proto-brygian much earlier and north of mycenean world,


    They all claimed descent from Hetacleidaes. This was their myth. According to ancient Greek myth, Dorians were illegitimate sons of Mycenaeans. They just came back and restored or claimed back their heritage. Anyway, this was just a myth. All this myth explains the invasion of Illyrians from the north at the end of the bronze age. They moved into southern Balkans by destroying the Mycenaean hegemony. At the same time they went through into Anatolia and settled in former Hittite areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    They all claimed descent from Hetacleidaes. This was their myth. According to ancient Greek myth, Dorians were illegitimate sons of Mycenaeans. They just came back and restored or claimed back their heritage. Anyway, this was just a myth. All this myth explains the invasion of Illyrians from the north at the end of the bronze age. They moved into southern Balkans by destroying the Mycenaean hegemony. At the same time they went through into Anatolia and settled in former Hittite areas.



    what?
    Illyrians are the sea peoples ?

    amazing


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post


    what?
    Now Illyrians are the sea people?



    Yes, why not?! Not all of them, just some of them. It is not me the first to think such theory. R1b-Z2103 haplogroup is perfect in this scenario. It probably entered Anatolia at the time of sea people (Mushki people). Anyway, don't mess up the bronze age Illyrians with classical Illyrians whom all of us know. Classical Illyrians maybe descended from northern Illyrians, while Armenians and Phrygians descended from southern Illyrians.
    Albanian, Phrygian, and Armenian are all satem languages, but were satemized in iron age or especially at the end of the bronze age. It may have happened via Tracian influence in Balkans.

    Definitely, Macedons were Hellenised Illyrians, especially their royalty. Don't underestimate the influence of the Hellenistic culture and politics over the tribes living near Mediterranean basin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Thank you for this info. Do you have any idea what century might it have been? Iron age is a long period. It might have been a Persian invader.


    So it is connected with the Indo Iranian Y-dna. So far we know that they were Ev13+Z93. That's a good help.
    I don't think they share the same SNPs. If I am not mistaken it was 400-600BC the sample. They came out Swedish like autosomally in some calculators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Blevins
    when I post a link of a video of a dialexis about Myceneans
    YOU WERE PROUD AND TELL US ABOUT YOUR MYCENEAN ANCESTRY.

    Now it is time to Find The GREEKS by your Theory,
    wanted or Not the bellow is according what you provide

    Watch after min 41:00



    The answer to your theories and opinions, after min 41:00

    Offcourse I keep my precautions,
    since all this steppe and Yamnaa is problematic, for me,
    BUT if you agree with it, and you are, this is your answer,
    Which when I posted, you were laughing, and Cheer ''I am Mycenean'
    Now the answer to you, given before 2 years, according your Theories.
    If you notice it, you would not bother us, (Forum) and your shelf.


    BTW
    DO YOU STILL CLAIM THAT YOU ARE A MYCENAN ORIGIN?

    book When and Whence the Greeks, Giannopoulos



    anyway I still am precautious about steppe,
    and you can not convince me,
    although today seems more possible,
    but the book is according all the above you wrote.


    If you can not understand it, your problem.
    SO STOP POSTING ABOUT MYCENEANS IN A THREAD ABOUT MAKEDONIANS.
    MAKEDONIANS CLAIM DORIAN DESCENT, NOT MYCENEAN

    AND MAKE THREAD ABOUT YOU AND YOUR PEOPLE HISTORICAL QUESTIONS AND GENNETICS.
    OR HOW MUCH MYCENEAN ARE YOU, AS CLAIMED IN PAST.

    before Lazarides papper, you were making irony with me, about your R1b, claiming Mycenean relativity, and Myceneans were R1b, what now? they were Steppe with average 14% steppe ancestry?
    and ask me if i believe that you a descendant or an ancestror of them, remeber?
    Now what? what scratches you about Myceneans?, and you post in a thread about Makedonians?
    about tumuli in lands of proto-Greeks, which are Illyrian according your Opinion, (Illyrian!!!, so tumuli enter Greece from the lands of Celts!!!!!! , West to East!!! against IE expansion East to West!!! )



    you know the moto,
    the one who scratches his back at tsompani's batton, is looking to be beaten, not scratched.


    FINALLY
    BLEVINS13
    do these bellow ,
    1.book The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.
    By David W. Anthony, 2007 page 447

    2. Eupedia page on R1a Greek Branch
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#Greek

    4. Ancient Metallurgy in the USSR: The Early Metal Age By Evgenil Nikolaevich Chernykh page 203

    which you proudly claim, SAY That Tumuli is mark of Illyrians? NO
    I guess not, so your effort, was either to disinform us, or you wanted to scratch your back at the batton.
    And when someone realize you, instead of cover, you attack with just whatever,
    your primary purpose was to 'show-blind' us that Makedonians were Illyrians, since they found some tumuli,
    and at the end you mix seima-turbino (were they Illyrians too?) mettalurgy, Steppe Myceneans Illyrians etc,,
    Again I repeat, I have no opinion on my own for the proto- greek and Mycenaeans.
    I presented some research on Mycenaeans and their relation to Seima-Turbino culture.
    On the other side I presented some other research that Kurgan people lived in Macedonia based on tumulus burial around 1500 BC. Seima -Turbino and Kurgan are two separate cultures. Mycenaean were proven Greek speakers 1450 BC. But they were not in Macedonia at that time. Mycenaeanization of Macedonia happen afterwards. Around 1500 BC Kurgan people lived in Macedonia based on research that I presented.
    If you want to oppose the findings of these research that I presented, you are free to post other academic research but not Greek since they can’t be objective in this argument and I don’t understand anything of what they are talking about. So post Academic papers supporting the opposite that Mycenaean are Kurgan people coming from Macedonia and or Epirus.
    We can’t convince each other but good academic research can convince us.

    I will elaborate Illyrian Kurgan relationship not here and not now.

    Off topic: show me when I have claimed this Mycenaean ancestry, I do not recall that two years ago.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Yes, why not?! Not all of them, just some of them. It is not me the first to think such theory. R1b-Z2103 haplogroup is perfect in this scenario. It probably entered Anatolia at the time of sea people (Mushki people). Anyway, don't mess up the bronze age Illyrians with classical Illyrians whom all of us know. Classical Illyrians maybe descended from northern Illyrians, while Armenians and Phrygians descended from southern Illyrians.
    Albanian, Phrygian, and Armenian are all satem languages, but were satemized in iron age or especially at the end of the bronze age. It may have happened via Tracian influence in Balkans.

    Definitely, Macedons were Hellenised Illyrians, especially their royalty. Don't underestimate the influence of the Hellenistic culture and politics over the tribes living near Mediterranean basin.



    Ha?
    so Makedonians were influenced by the later of them Hellenistic culture,
    and they did not create it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Again I repeat, I have no opinion on my own for the proto- greek and Mycenaeans.
    I presented some research on Mycenaeans and their relation to Seima-Turbino culture.
    On the other side I presented some other research that Kurgan people lived in Macedonia based on tumulus burial around 1500 BC. Seima -Turbino and Kurgan are two separate cultures. Mycenaean were proven Greek speakers 1450 BC. But they were not in Macedonia at that time. Mycenaeanization of Macedonia happen afterwards. Around 1500 BC Kurgan people lived in Macedonia based on research that I presented.
    If you want to oppose the findings of these research that I presented, you are free to post other academic research but not Greek since they can’t be objective in this argument and I don’t understand anything of what they are talking about. So post Academic papers supporting the opposite that Mycenaean are Kurgan people coming from Macedonia and or Epirus.
    We can’t convince each other but good academic research can convince us.

    I will elaborate Illyrian Kurgan relationship not here and not now.

    Off topic: show me when I have claimed this Mycenaean ancestry, I do not recall that two years ago.


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    Mycenaeanization of Makedonia

    anyway, I suggest you a book,
    read it to understand, and solve your questions.

    and NO
    you can not elaborate 'Illyrian' tumuli from West to East, but from East to West.

    anyway when you make up your mind who were Illyrians, Makedonians, Myceneans, Thracians Yamnaa,
    and what time was each, come back,
    At least read the book of Giannopoulos, the Cetina's the Cotofeni, the Myceneans etc
    It is in harmony with steppe theory,

    Vucedol-Vatin etc is a point of entry, but also a point of exit,

    suggest you to study this map
    and realize that Myceneans are not the only Greeks neither the proto-Greeks


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    we have filled 34 pages with crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post


    Ha?
    so Makedonians were influenced by the later of them Hellenistic culture,
    and they did not create it?

    Yes. The Mycenaean civilization did crumble, but they did not disappeared. The cradle of Hellenistic civilization was Attic/Ionic , which was born from the ashes of the Mycenaean civilization. The official language during Philip II and Alexander the great was Attic/Ionic. Why you think was that? It was because it had a higher status. Athenians always claimed a true Ionic origin for themselves without any Dorian influence. They saw Dorians nearly as barbarians. Indeed Dorians were barbarians whom got civilized through time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post

    what?
    Illyrians are the sea peoples ?

    amazing
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectosages
    Father's Mtdna H95a1
    Grandfather Mtdna T2b24
    Great Grandfather Mtdna T1a1e
    GMother paternal side YDna R1b-S8172
    Mother's YDna R1a-Z282

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Mycenaeanization of Makedonia

    anyway, I suggest you a book,
    read it to understand, and solve your questions.

    and NO
    you can not elaborate 'Illyrian' tumuli from West to East, but from East to West.

    anyway when you make up your mind who were Illyrians, Makedonians, Myceneans, Thracians Yamnaa,
    and what time was each, come back,
    At least read the book of Giannopoulos, the Cetina's the Cotofeni, the Myceneans etc
    It is in harmony with steppe theory,

    Vucedol-Vatin etc is a point of entry, but also a point of exit,

    suggest you to study this map
    and realize that Myceneans are not the only Greeks neither the proto-Greeks

    Your map even if it's true, is of third millennium. Macedonians, to whom we are talking about are an ethnic entity living during the iron age, 500bce. I don't see any connection

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Your map even if it's true, is of third millennium. Macedonians, to whom we are talking about are an ethnic entity living during the iron age, 500bce. I don't see any connection
    It`s an Wikipedia map based on a reconstruction of the 3rd millennium BC "Proto-Greek area", by Vladimir I. Georgiev.
    Georgiev had many strange theories. Nobody take seriously his theories, only the greek "experts" of Wiki and of course the internet trollls.
    17 Dec.
    Paget to the Council.

    Now the Council's letters seem to imply (words quoted) that the King will keep no strangers save the Albanoys.

    Cales, 17 Dec. 1545. Signed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Thank you for this info. Do you have any idea what century might it have been?

    So it is connected with the Indo Iranian Y-dna.
    Bulgaria_MLBA I2163: Y-hg R1a1a1b2 mt-hg U5a2 1750-1625 calBCE

    https://www.eupedia.com/forum/thread...Age-Balkan-DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    What?

    Now the transalpine Gauls, who spoke a kind of Belgae, and invade Greece and then moved to Asia at about 280 BC
    are sea peoples? or illyrians?

    Oh gods, what is next ?

    During the Gallic invasion of the Balkans, c. 280 BC

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    Quote Originally Posted by LABERIA View Post
    It`s an Wikipedia map based on a reconstruction of the 3rd millennium BC "Proto-Greek area", by Vladimir I. Georgiev.
    Georgiev had many strange theories. Nobody take seriously his theories, only the greek "experts" of Wiki and of course the internet trollls.
    Georgiev and Duridanov are 2 of top for paleobalkan languages,
    If it does not fit to your imaginary theories,
    that does not mean they were crap,

    INSTEAD,
    same theories also share
    Gray Atkinson Greenhill a group famous for glottochronology
    Vladimir Georgiev
    Garcia Ramon
    Hooker who specialized in Mycenean world
    etc
    only the Albanian deny them, as also deny Polome, Matzinzer, etc
    cause they don't fit in their supreme cosmogenesis.

    THE ONLY STRANGE IDEAS ARE THE ONES I READ HERE,
    LIKE MYCENEANS SACKED BY ILLYRIANS WHO WERE THE SEA PEOPLES
    ETC ETC,

    offcourse as always by the same members,
    who happen to have something common

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Your map even if it's true, is of third millennium. Macedonians, to whom we are talking about are an ethnic entity living during the iron age, 500bce. I don't see any connection
    Offcourse,

    you made sea peoples Illyrians or oposite
    you made Hellenistic culture pre-Makedonian, which affect Makedonians, who created hellenistic world !!!!,

    Now you make Makedonian and NW Dialects foreign to area they born !!!!!
    I wonder how you think,
    First you tell us Makedonian were Myceneans,
    Destroyed by Illyrians sea peoples,
    but reborn,
    affected by the later of them, Hellenistic culture, which they create,
    sounds like a fictional story,
    A travel in time,
    it would be a nice movie, better than Star Wars.




    Next what ?

    be serious.


    look what you write


    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Yes. The Mycenaean civilization did crumble, but they did not disappeared. The cradle of Hellenistic civilization was Attic/Ionic , which was born from the ashes of the Mycenaean civilization. The official language during Philip II and Alexander the great was Attic/Ionic. Why you think was that? It was because it had a higher status. Athenians always claimed a true Ionic origin for themselves without any Dorian influence. They saw Dorians nearly as barbarians. Indeed Dorians were barbarians whom got civilized through time.

    simply make up your mind,

    what connection have Myceneans with Ionians?
    Where do you read such things?

    Hellenistic is culture of Diadochoi,
    only language is based on Attic Dialect,
    affected with a lot of Makedonian aspirations
    and makes Koine,


    You are not to be taken serious.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Your map even if it's true, is of third millennium. Macedonians, to whom we are talking about are an ethnic entity living during the iron age, 500bce. I don't see any connection
    He is shocked to hear other sides of history!!? Completely petrified by his governments propaganda! I am amazed by your patience!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Mycenaeanization of Makedonia

    anyway, I suggest you a book,
    read it to understand, and solve your questions.

    and NO
    you can not elaborate 'Illyrian' tumuli from West to East, but from East to West.

    anyway when you make up your mind who were Illyrians, Makedonians, Myceneans, Thracians Yamnaa,
    and what time was each, come back,
    At least read the book of Giannopoulos, the Cetina's the Cotofeni, the Myceneans etc
    It is in harmony with steppe theory,

    Vucedol-Vatin etc is a point of entry, but also a point of exit,

    suggest you to study this map
    and realize that Myceneans are not the only Greeks neither the proto-Greeks

    https://www.researchgate.net/profile...ication_detail

    Mycenaeanization of Macedonia is a term used in the research above
    By Paraskevi Voula Tritsaroli (January 2017)
    The Pigi Athinas tumuli cemetery of macedonian olympus: Burial customs and the bioarchaeology of social structures at the dawn of the late Bronze Age, central Macedonia, Greece
    page 228

    Again for the members of this forum Mycenaean (Greek speakers Linear B 1450 BC) related to Seima -Turbino Culture. While Kurgan culture, tumulus was presented in Macedonia and Epirus by 1500 BC . If Kurgan People are the same with Seima -Turbino Culture than I rest my case, but show me academic research for that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile...ication_detail

    Mycenaeanization of Macedonia is a term used in the research above
    By Paraskevi Voula Tritsaroli (January 2017)
    The Pigi Athinas tumuli cemetery of macedonian olympus: Burial customs and the bioarchaeology of social structures at the dawn of the late Bronze Age, central Macedonia, Greece
    page 228

    Again for the members of this forum Mycenaean (Greek speakers Linear B 1450 BC) related to Seima -Turbino Culture. While Kurgan culture, tumulus was presented in Macedonia and Epirus by 1500 BC . If Kurgan People are the same with Seima -Turbino Culture than I rest my case, but show me academic research for that.



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    THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,

    HOW SIMPLE IT IS,








    HOW MORE SIMPLE CAN NOT BE

    ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

    Your Answer is There,







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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,

    HOW SIMPLE IT IS,








    HOW MORE SIMPLE CAN NOT BE

    ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

    Your Answer is There,






    Nice photo but this is not facebook..:: I do not understand all this huff and puff from your side since you agree with me that Kurgan does not fit with Greece. IMG_3243.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Nice photo but this is not facebook..:: I do not understand all this huff and puff from your side since you agree with me that Kurgan does not fit with Greece. IMG_3243.jpg


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    Don't put words in my mouth
    how typical of a propaganda lie

    Read this

    ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

    and this




    The Brygian Tumuli in Lydia,
    Brygians were next door people of Makedonians
    and Used Tumulus also, in Greek Τυμβος Τουμπα Tymbos Toumba

    Πηγη Αρτεμιδος Pigi Artmemidos
    Same things there also, Both burial buildings,

    Athens The Tumuli of the Marathon Warriors.


    WHAT NOW, Marathon warriors tomb is Tumuli,
    IS THAT ILLYRIAN MARK TO YOU? ATHENEANS WERE ILLYRIANS CAUSED OF TUMULI USAGE?







    And special to you
    HOMERS ILLIAD
    The Most known Mycenean world descriptions
    the most vivid Mycenean word culture,
    All we need to know about Myceneans


    The Funeral ritual of Patroklos is according Tumulus
    SO MYCENEANS KNEW TUMULUS.
    in fact in Pigi Artemidos are each next to other.

    Now Go and find and read ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

    Btw
    The city of Orpheas the Thracian Λειβηθρα of the Thracian tribe Pieroi, Leivethra is about 10 Km North of the place you describe.
    the Mycenean dwellings are 5 km North,
    and the is an arque about the Herakleides town Ηρακλεια, which is for other the Mycenean dwellings
    or more North about 17 km

    What is so strange to you?

    that Myceneans knew and used Tumuli?
    That Brygians also knew Tumuli?
    That Makedonians use both types for Burial customs?
    or that Makedonians and Brygians lived side by side?

    Period
    better ask for your shelf, to forgive you, and then go to a pychologist for empathy with 'Illyromania'

    Bye bye,
    nor Greeks, nor Illyrians, nor Thracians, create world, or language,

    to you



    Notice it,
    and compare it with this






    FIT PERFECT.



    You have to understand

    1) that Makedonians assimilated the remnants of Bryges,
    while the last of them were the Mygdonians.

    2) Proto-greek evolute to NW Greek dialects as called and are primitive forms closer to LPIE
    notice primitive Διος to Θεος, Βερενικα instead Φερενικη etc
    before go to South Greece, and return back as Attic to make Koine in Makedonia and expand to Hellenistic
    the term Dios Dias has no meaning in koine, due to evolute to Theos but means God in NW dialects, one of them Makedonian,







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    Quote Originally Posted by blevins13 View Post
    Again for the members of this forum Mycenaean (Greek speakers Linear B 1450 BC) related to Seima -Turbino Culture.
    What do you mean? can you tell me more specifically?

    I knew the SM culture reached Balkan area, but Mycenaean. And the SM culture expanded into iberia and british isle late bronze age.

    My only clue is there shield shape is similar to artifact of copper hoard in india, which I think originated in the SM.
    looks like they have one long braid like Aryan.



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    Macedonians

    I mean this :
    Greek Branch of R1a
    https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplo...NA.shtml#Greek


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