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    If they were Macedonian, they were Greek! This has been proven time and again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pericles View Post
    If they were Macedonian, they were Greek! This has been proven time and again.
    No it is not. I guess it is about your defination of Greeks. I am also don't call the Cypriots as Greek, I don't care that is their language or religion or what is their origin mtyh.

    This is a genetic distance issue for me.

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    Also Sardinians are not Italian because of genetic distance. See how Iranian and Georgian or Turkish and Kurdish areas are intertwined.

    Do you call the Georgian, North Iranian? Do you call the Kurds, Eastern Turks? I don't think so.

    Why do you think a population like Greeks size has this much large area in the figure??? Because they are not pure, they are mixing with other races, nations since their colony age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    No it is not. I guess it is about your defination of Greeks. I am also don't call the Cypriots as Greek, I don't care that is their language or religion or what is their origin mtyh.

    This is a genetic distance issue for me.

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    Also Sardinians are not Italian because of genetic distance. See how Iranian and Georgian or Turkish and Kurdish areas are intertwined.

    Do you call the Georgian, North Iranian? Do you call the Kurds, Eastern Turks? I don't think so.

    Why do you think a population like Greeks size has this much large area in the figure??? Because they are not pure, they are mixing with other races, nations since their colony age.

    offcourse, that is why every body, in Central and East Meditterrean is proud, or claims or wants to have Greek ancestry,

    as you see there in this forum, there are people who think even that they are more Greeks than Greeks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    offcourse, that is why every body, in Central and East Meditterrean is proud, or claims or wants to have Greek ancestry,

    as you see there in this forum, there are people who think even that they are more Greeks than Greeks
    Yes, I totally agree. Being a Greek as much higher market value then, being an Albanian, Bulgarian or Turk in the Western World

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    offcourse, that is why every body, in Central and East Meditterrean is proud, or claims or wants to have Greek ancestry,

    as you see there in this forum, there are people who think even that they are more Greeks than Greeks
    I can't speak for other countries but albanians only have pride in being albanian

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaktikatEMalet View Post
    I can't speak for other countries but albanians only have pride in being albanian
    Of course most of people are happy what they are.

    My point was other nations opinion on you. Many of people doesn't know where is Albania. But if you were Greek, most of people would have position opinion on you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    Of course most of people are happy what they are.
    My point was other nations opinion on you. Many of people doesn't know where is Albania. But if you were Greek, most of people would have position opinion on you
    That is true, Greek mythology is well known around the world. They even make video games based on it

    Israel is famous for similar reason, mostly Jesus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    Of course most of people are happy what they are.

    My point was other nations opinion on you. Many of people doesn't know where is Albania. But if you were Greek, most of people would have position opinion on you
    We really don't care what other nations opinions are. Opinion are like...well you know. Everyone has one.

    Yetos just likes to assume everyone want's to be Greek. First time I'm hearing this. That would be the last identity I would petition for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boreas View Post
    In my opinion, even People of Greece assimilted with Indo-Europeans. They have very high haplogroup E and ıf the origion of Europeans is pontic steppes, it is not common

    Same as Bulgarian and Macedonia who have pre European haplogroup I
    E-V13 has already been found in numerous Bronze Age elite at this point. It also seems to appear after the Iron Age in Greece not before. It is without a doubt associated with Indo-European migrations. Now, its parent branch may perhaps tell a different story.

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    nothing just nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    We are not talking about E, but E-V13. We already have plenty of Indo-European samples that are E-V13. Additionally, E-V13's parent clade E-L618 was also already found in the West Balkans at the close of the Neolithic. Also, E* has a distance of 50 thousand + or so years from E-V13. So, I am not sure what you're trying to imply by your comment.

    The only people who claim E-V13 is North African are either people who know very little about Y-DNA evolution or have an agenda.

    Using your logic, R1a and R1b are just Siberians because they come from R1 Mal'ta boy. It is important to understand the difference between subclades and parent clades. E-V13's connection to North Africa is ancient, and before any culture of relevance.
    correct, minus is not IE marker, but rather Balkan primary, Anatolian/ Near East secondary.
    It is Neolithic, Not IE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorquest View Post
    ""The only people who claim E-V13 is North African are either people who know very little about Y-DNA evolution or have an agenda.""

    Of course he has an agenda.

    ""halplogroup I is derived from middle eastern haplogroup J. so not european."" Haplogroup IJ would have arrived from the Middle East to Europe some 35,000 years ago, then developed into haplogroup I soon afterwards. In Europe for 35,000 years, yep that makes it European. Just Like the Chinese Haplogroup O at one time came from the Middle East if you go back far enough because it came from F to K, the ancestor of most of the Eurasian haplogroups (L, N, O, P, Q, R and T), some time between 45,000 and 35,000 years ago. So what.
    IJ and ED show strange spread,

    both E and D comes from ED but in Far East we see D, and E at horn of Africa,
    same I and J comes from IJ but at Asia mainly we see J and at Europe mainly I.

    how that is done?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    IJ and ED show strange spread,

    both E and D comes from ED but in Far East we see D, and E at horn of Africa,
    same I and J comes from IJ but at Asia mainly we see J and at Europe mainly I.

    how that is done?
    I would guess...Time, movement of people – death of lineages

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorquest View Post
    I would guess...Time, movement of people – death of lineages
    I do not know

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    correct, minus is not IE marker, but rather Balkan primary, Anatolian/ Near East secondary.
    It is Neolithic, Not IE.
    Wrong. E-V13 exploded with Indo-European migrations. People have this weird idea that if it is not R1a or R1b that it cannot be Indo-European. That is incorrect. It for sure is not Proto-Indo-European. However, E-V13 expanded with Indo-Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1683 View Post
    israel is derived from ancient kemetic gods ISIS RA EL
    jesus is another name for HORUS and SHAITAN aka SATAN is derived from SET

    basically astrotheological sun and moon worship. sunRAise (light) and sunSET (darkness)
    horus and set battle every day, day vs night, dark vs light, summer vs winter

    bible is derived from sun worship, helios byblos, egyptian sun papers and book of dead
    the middle east was once part of africa but it split away. the kemetic/egyptian mythologies and middle eastern overlap since the ancient hebrews came from egypt to middle east not vice versa. jesus and mary story is based on isis and horus

    christianity is from egypt, so is judaism and islam. jew is derived from egyptian tehuti = yehudi and kaballah is derived from egyptian KA(life force) and BA (soul).

    we say AMEN from egyptian AMUN RA

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    Let's get back on topic, everyone. I will re-open the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    Wrong. E-V13 exploded with Indo-European migrations. People have this weird idea that if it is not R1a or R1b that it cannot be Indo-European. That is incorrect. It for sure is not Proto-Indo-European. However, E-V13 expanded with Indo-Europeans.

    It is Neolithic, Not Eurasian steppe. and most possible Balkan mark, It is impossible to be IE.
    It did not enter Balkans at Bronzeage ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    It is Neolithic, Not Eurasian steppe. and most possible Balkan mark, It is impossible to be IE.
    It did not enter Balkans at Bronzeage ...

    E-V13 exploded and expanded in the Bronze Age. This is common knowledge at this point. It formed in the Neolthic. However, the most recent ancestor who is the forefather of all living E-V13 men lived in the Bronze Age(4800ybp) and can be found in numerous Indo-European graves and is linked with the expansion of Indo-Europeans alongside R1a and R1b. This is why I said only R1a/R1b are Proto-Indo-European and the rest can be classified as Indo-European through the course of cross assimilation. Because in the case of Europeans, most of them certainly are. There are even branches of G that spread with Celts. There is such a thing as branches and sub-branches. Context is important.

    E-V13 was linked to the elite dominance of Bronze Age society. The geographic distribution of E-V13 quickly spread to all parts of Europe, but was especially common in Central Europe. The only Bronze Age migration that could account for such a fast and far-reaching dispersal is that of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. At present the most consistent explanation is that E-V13 developed from E-M78 in Central or Eastern Europe during the Neolithic period, and was assimilated by the R1a and R1b Proto-Indo-Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jovialis View Post
    Let's get back on topic, everyone. I will re-open the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    E-V13 exploded and expanded in the Bronze Age. This is common knowledge at this point. It formed in the Neolthic. However, the most recent ancestor who is the forefather of all living E-V13 men lived in the Bronze Age(4800ybp) and can be found in numerous Indo-European graves and is linked with the expansion of Indo-Europeans alongside R1a and R1b. This is why I said only R1a/R1b are Proto-Indo-European and the rest can be classified as Indo-European through the course of cross assimilation. Because in the case of Europeans, most of them certainly are. There are even branches of G that spread with Celts. There is such a thing as branches and sub-branches. Context is important.

    E-V13 was linked to the elite dominance of Bronze Age society. The geographic distribution of E-V13 quickly spread to all parts of Europe, but was especially common in Central Europe. The only Bronze Age migration that could account for such a fast and far-reaching dispersal is that of the Proto-Indo-Europeans. At present the most consistent explanation is that E-V13 developed from E-M78 in Central or Eastern Europe during the Neolithic period, and was assimilated by the R1a and R1b Proto-Indo-Europeans.

    Your post is clear the answer.

    you have answer your shelf.
    no need for me,

    you already wrote Neolithic,

    Bronze age at Balkans is the most far 3500 BC.

    How much old is the sample found at Adriatic/Dinaric area?
    is there any hg E Eurasian steppe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Your post is clear the answer.

    you have answer your shelf.
    no need for me,

    you already wrote Neolithic,

    Bronze age at Balkans is the most far 3500 BC.

    How much old is the sample found at Adriatic/Dinaric area?
    is there any hg E Eurasian steppe?
    You're missing the entire point. But, then again; you always miss the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    We really don't care what other nations opinions are. Opinion are like...well you know. Everyone has one.

    Yetos just likes to assume everyone want's to be Greek. First time I'm hearing this. That would be the last identity I would petition for.
    OMG! Greeks have that attitude even in in English speaking world. They think being Greek carries extra social points. Only to find that for the Northern people Greeks are Wogs. ( I am not sure if i wrote it correct).I guess they call Albanians wogs as well, but Albanians keep a low profile in general so are mostly invisible ethnic groups, but Greeks are really offended by the epithet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dibran View Post
    You're missing the entire point. But, then again; you always miss the point.

    I don't think I am missing something,
    Simply place place things to their positions,
    Removing 'extras' it is nother thing Neolithic, another European and another IE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuPidh View Post
    OMG! Greeks have that attitude even in in English speaking world. They think being Greek carries extra social points. Only to find that for the Northern people Greeks are Wogs. ( I am not sure if i wrote it correct).I guess they call Albanians wogs as well, but Albanians keep a low profile in general so are mostly invisible ethnic groups, but Greeks are really offended by the epithet.

    hahaha,

    Do tell this to me, Tell it to some other who think they are Myceneans, Homeric people etc etc.

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