Macedonians

BYE BYE BLEVINS13

Forum members have memmory on what is published,
most are more than 2 years, before Lazarides papper,
look how many years you are,
Only Blinded by ultranationalist hate like you, can not See and ask sources, Which I am forced to wrie at bottom of post.





With an ancestry of 10-14% Steppe
the lowest Altaic component in all IE, almost 0%, even after 400 Ottoman-Turkish occupation,
Only one sample of Ydna N found until now, at more than 20 000 000 Greeks of Hellas and diaspora (one found in Peloponese)
There is NO chance that Greeks and especially the Mycenean part, to be origined from Seima Turbino.

Seima Turbino is a culture of Ydna N, and heavily charched with Altaic Component.
GENNETICS SPEAK
if we follow the theory of Antoni, or Gibutas
which does not fit in Helladic space, and Genetics,
Then Greeks both Linguistically and gennetical Origin from Yamnaa, and Vucedol-Vatin alternative name Cetina,
This is expressed By 1928, and has archailogical evidences, Carl Blegen,
which is the descent of Greeks from Vucedol-Vatin (Cetine),
in fact Cetina is also a big split, giving also Latin to West, etc
IRELAND GENETICALLY IS MORE POSSIBLE FOR SEIMA TURBINO, THAN GREECE, DUE to Altaic component

The Genetical structure of Greece, almost Palaiolithic and Neolithic mixture,
with the lowest STEPPE, and almost Zero Altaic,
Shows other Theories as primary,
Especially the Mycenean Branch Genetics Suggest rather a Neolithic origin
or a South Caucasos origin, Armenia High Lands

The R1a in Greece, and Greek world,
is the only Ydna mark That may connect Greek to Baltics, As Hammond express it, (although I disagree)
and came from the possible road of Yamnaa to Vucedol-Vatin (Cetina) (Croatia/Serbia today) with descent of Greeks at 3000 BC to the area of proto-Greeks

Period,

Tumuli was used By all Proto-Greeks, was used by Myceneans, and its evolution gave the famous Makedonian Toumbas, which are typically and characteristic
and IS NOT ONLY Albanian, As you like it to be in your Brain, and in your Dreams,

Btw
did you go to a doctor to help you with Illyromania and Albanian only case?
Don't leave it, it will hurt you more in Future,
using Schopenhauer by the book, and step by step, makes people blind, and lost in space, or Only in, mass usage of Schopehauer it is just a shelf-exille from truth.

BYE BYE BLIND BLEVINS
THE MOST BLIND OF ALL MEMBERS,


Seima Turbino culture


TheAltai Mountainsin what is now southern Russia and central Mongolia have been identified as the point of origin of the cultural enigma of Seima-Turbino phenomenon.[7] The culture spread from these mountains to the west and to the east.[8] Artefact types such as spearheads with hooks, single-bladed knives and socketed axes with geometric designs traveled west and east.[9]

migrations spread the Uralic languagesacross Europe and Asia
.[11]

Notable is the similiarity between the range of Haplogroup N3a3’6, especially in the western part of Eurasia and the distribution of the Seima-Turbino trans-cultural phenomenon during the interval of 4.2–3.7 kya. [13] Carriers of N3a1-B211, the early branch of N3a, could have migrated to the eastern fringes of Europe by the same Seima-Turbino groups. However earlier migration(s) cannot be ruled out either; a study of ancient DNA revealed a 7,500-year-old influx from Siberia to northeast Europe. [14] [15]

BLEVINS
THIS IS SEIMA-TURBINO
ALTAIC
URALIC LANGUAGES
Hg N

I tend to keep calm and show respect to you.
But your egoism, Tumuli is Only Albanian origin
did not leave me more, patience has limits.


SO FORUM MEMBER BLEVINS13 WHICH BEFORE LAZARIDES PAPPER TOLD US OF HIS MYCENEAN ANCESTRY Due to R1b
Now tells us that Myceneans were Altaic connected, SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, and were heavily charched with Hg N genetically.

:useless: :useless: :useless: :useless: :useless:












SO THIS MEMBER,
BLINDED BY ULTRA NATIONALISM.
WITH MAYBE TRAUMAS IN HIS PSYCHOLOGY.
NOW TELL US THAT MYCENEANS
WERE CONNECTED WITH ALTAI Mt (nomatter Altaic component is almost Zero)
:petrified:
SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, (Mycenean is one of the most typical IE)
:petrified:
WERE HEAVILY hg Ydna N (Almost 0%, only one found until now in whole Greek nation)
:petrified:

:petrified: :petrified: :petrified: :petrified:

WHAT CAN SOMEONE SAY?

Except a wish for Peace of Mind.

I am sure Gods are with him,
Gods protect and take care of such guys.

you could read at least the Carl Blegen and Giannopoulos, and escape from your hell,
even read about Seima-Turbino culture.
or even trust Lazarides papper,
But No, you insisted,
may Gods protect your soul, cause mind ......
You were and asking fo it,
you scratch the sheperd's bat wrong way. :innocent: :innocent: :innocent:


Blevins the Catacomb culture, or the S Caucasos cultures were not enough for you,
you have to Go to Altaic mountains and uralic languages?
or you never of other IE cultures outside steppe?


a pathetic pittyfull aproach, by member Blevins13
guided by hate of ultranationalism

which with strange methods,
want us to Believe that Myceneans are steppe Altaic people,
and Spoke Uralic languages
while Lazarides papper on Myceneans is clear of S Caucasos and Armenia highlands origin
with low average 14% (10-20%) of Steppe, and Zero Altaic

BLEVINS MYCENEANS DID NOT SPOKE URALIC,
AS YOU LIKE THEM TO BE.
BYE BYE


The Academic pappers you ask

  • Marchenko et al. 2017.
  • ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 447.
  • ^ A Dictionary of Archaeology, edited by Ian Shaw, Robert Jameson, page 517
  • ^ Frachetti, Michael David, Pastoralist Landscapes and Social Interaction in Bronze Age Eurasia, pp. 52–3
  • ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 444-7.
  • ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 443-4.
  • ^ Jump up to:a b Anthony 2007.
  • ^ Jump up to:a b Chernykh, E.N. (2008). "Formation of the Eurasian "Steppe Belt" of Stockbreeding cultures". Archaeology, Ethnology and Anthropology of Eurasia. 35 (3): 36–53. doi:10.1016/j.aeae.2008.11.003.
  • ^ Chernykh 1992, p.220-21, figs. 74, 75.
  • ^ Christian 1998.
  • ^ Jump up to:a b Keys, David (January 2009). "Scholars crack the code of an ancient enigma". BBC History Magazine. 10 (1): 9.
  • ^ Higham, C.; Higham, T.; Kijngam, A. (2011), "Cutting a Gordian Knot: the Bronze Age of Southeast Asia: origins, timing and impact", Antiquity, 85 (328): 583–598, doi:10.1017/S0003598X00067971
  • ^ E. Chernykh The “Steppe Belt” of stockbreeding cultures in Eurasia during the Early Metal Age Trab. Prehist., 65 (2008), pp. 73-93, 10.3989/tp.2008.08004
  • ^ C. Der Sarkissian, O. Balanovsky, G. Brandt, V. Khartanovich, A. Buzhilova, S. Koshel, V. Zaporozhchenko, D. Gronenborn, V. Moiseyev, E. Kolpakov, et al., "Genographic Consortium Ancient DNA reveals prehistoric gene-flow from siberia in the complex human population history of North East Europe" PLoS Genet., 9 (2013), p. e1003296
  • ^ "The American Journal of Human Genetics: Volume 99, Issue 1: Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup N: A Non-trivial Time-Resolved Phylogeography that Cuts across Language Families", 7 July 2016, Pages 163-173
  • ^ http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/view/4182/4018
  • ^ Lalueza-Fox, C.; Sampietro, M. L.; Gilbert, M. T. P.; Castri, L.; Facchini, F.; Pettener, D.; Bertranpetit, J. (2004), "Unravelling migrations in the steppe: mitochondrial DNA sequences from ancient central Asians", Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences, 271 (1542): 941–947, doi:10.1098/rspb.2004.2698, PMC 1691686, PMID 15255049
  • ^ Keyser, Christine; Bouakaze, Caroline; Crubézy, Eric; Nikolaev, Valery G.; Montagnon, Daniel; Reis, Tatiana; Ludes, Bertrand (2009), "Ancient DNA provides new insights into the history of south Siberian Kurgan people", Human Genetics, 126 (3): 395–410, doi:10.1007/s00439-009-0683-0, PMID 19449030



bye bye little Goebels

You are going crazy man it is not me ....I did not create this
R1a Greek Branch
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Greek

I happened to agree with this. That is all.

And I did not write this Hammond did.

Tumulus Burials in South Albania

Tumulus burial ceased in Mycenaean Greece before 1400 b.c., yet when Achilles honours Patroclus in Iliad he uses a method of burial than used only in Albania and farther north. It is likely that Homer here reveals the origins of heroic practice, and very probably the origin of oral epic. The dramatic date of the poem was 200 years after the end of tumulus burial in Mycenaean Greece and Homer himself lived 600 and 700 years after that time. But he went correctly to the north-west for the origin of Achilles, tumulus burial and heroic practices. For Albania was and is the homeland of heroes.

Tumulus-burial in Albania and problems of Ethnogenesis
Iliria Année 1976 4 pp. 127-132

Nicholas G. L. Hammond



The language used by Yetos is inappropriate.
I invite moderator to do something here.

And Yetos don’t copy from Wikipedia, show us academic papers for your statements.

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BYE BYE BLEVINS13

Forum members have memmory on what is published,
most are more than 2 years, before Lazarides papper,
look how many years you are,
Only Blinded by ultranationalist hate like you, can not See and ask sources, Which I am forced to wrie at bottom of post.





With an ancestry of 10-14% Steppe
the lowest Altaic component in all IE, almost 0%, even after 400 Ottoman-Turkish occupation,
Only one sample of Ydna N found until now, at more than 20 000 000 Greeks of Hellas and diaspora (one found in Peloponese)
There is NO chance that Greeks and especially the Mycenean part, to be origined from Seima Turbino.

Seima Turbino is a culture of Ydna N, and heavily charched with Altaic Component.
GENNETICS SPEAK
if we follow the theory of Antoni, or Gibutas
which does not fit in Helladic space, and Genetics,
Then Greeks both Linguistically and gennetical Origin from Yamnaa, and Vucedol-Vatin alternative name Cetina,
This is expressed By 1928, and has archailogical evidences, Carl Blegen,
which is the descent of Greeks from Vucedol-Vatin (Cetine),
in fact Cetina is also a big split, giving also Latin to West, etc
IRELAND GENETICALLY IS MORE POSSIBLE FOR SEIMA TURBINO, THAN GREECE, DUE to Altaic component

The Genetical structure of Greece, almost Palaiolithic and Neolithic mixture,
with the lowest STEPPE, and almost Zero Altaic,
Shows other Theories as primary,
Especially the Mycenean Branch Genetics Suggest rather a Neolithic origin
or a South Caucasos origin, Armenia High Lands

The R1a in Greece, and Greek world,
is the only Ydna mark That may connect Greek to Baltics, As Hammond express it, (although I disagree)
and came from the possible road of Yamnaa to Vucedol-Vatin (Cetina) (Croatia/Serbia today) with descent of Greeks at 3000 BC to the area of proto-Greeks

Period,

Tumuli was used By all Proto-Greeks, was used by Myceneans, and its evolution gave the famous Makedonian Toumbas, which are typically and characteristic
and IS NOT ONLY Albanian, As you like it to be in your Brain, and in your Dreams,

Btw
did you go to a doctor to help you with Illyromania and Albanian only case?
Don't leave it, it will hurt you more in Future,
using Schopenhauer by the book, and step by step, makes people blind, and lost in space, or Only in, mass usage of Schopehauer it is just a shelf-exille from truth.

BYE BYE BLIND BLEVINS
THE MOST BLIND OF ALL MEMBERS,


Seima Turbino culture


TheAltai Mountainsin what is now southern Russia and central Mongolia have been identified as the point of origin of the cultural enigma of Seima-Turbino phenomenon.[7] The culture spread from these mountains to the west and to the east.[8] Artefact types such as spearheads with hooks, single-bladed knives and socketed axes with geometric designs traveled west and east.[9]

migrations spread the Uralic languagesacross Europe and Asia
.[11]

Notable is the similiarity between the range of Haplogroup N3a3’6, especially in the western part of Eurasia and the distribution of the Seima-Turbino trans-cultural phenomenon during the interval of 4.2–3.7 kya. [13] Carriers of N3a1-B211, the early branch of N3a, could have migrated to the eastern fringes of Europe by the same Seima-Turbino groups. However earlier migration(s) cannot be ruled out either; a study of ancient DNA revealed a 7,500-year-old influx from Siberia to northeast Europe. [14] [15]

BLEVINS
THIS IS SEIMA-TURBINO
ALTAIC
URALIC LANGUAGES
Hg N

I tend to keep calm and show respect to you.
But your egoism, Tumuli is Only Albanian origin
did not leave me more, patience has limits.


SO FORUM MEMBER BLEVINS13 WHICH BEFORE LAZARIDES PAPPER TOLD US OF HIS MYCENEAN ANCESTRY Due to R1b
Now tells us that Myceneans were Altaic connected, SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, and were heavily charched with Hg N genetically.

:useless: :useless: :useless: :useless: :useless:












SO THIS MEMBER,
BLINDED BY ULTRA NATIONALISM.
WITH MAYBE TRAUMAS IN HIS PSYCHOLOGY.
NOW TELL US THAT MYCENEANS
WERE CONNECTED WITH ALTAI Mt (nomatter Altaic component is almost Zero)
:petrified:
SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, (Mycenean is one of the most typical IE)
:petrified:
WERE HEAVILY hg Ydna N (Almost 0%, only one found until now in whole Greek nation)
:petrified:

:petrified: :petrified: :petrified: :petrified:

WHAT CAN SOMEONE SAY?

Except a wish for Peace of Mind.

I am sure Gods are with him,
Gods protect and take care of such guys.

you could read at least the Carl Blegen and Giannopoulos, and escape from your hell,
even read about Seima-Turbino culture.
or even trust Lazarides papper,
But No, you insisted,
may Gods protect your soul, cause mind ......
You were and asking fo it,
you scratch the sheperd's bat wrong way. :innocent: :innocent: :innocent:


Blevins the Catacomb culture, or the S Caucasos cultures were not enough for you,
you have to Go to Altaic mountains and uralic languages?
or you never of other IE cultures outside steppe?


a pathetic pittyfull aproach, by member Blevins13
guided by hate of ultranationalism

which with strange methods,
want us to Believe that Myceneans are steppe Altaic people,
and Spoke Uralic languages
while Lazarides papper on Myceneans is clear of S Caucasos and Armenia highlands origin
with low average 14% (10-20%) of Steppe, and Zero Altaic

BLEVINS MYCENEANS DID NOT SPOKE URALIC,
AS YOU LIKE THEM TO BE.
BYE BYE


The Academic pappers you ask

  • Marchenko et al. 2017.
  • ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 447.
  • ^ A Dictionary of Archaeology, edited by Ian Shaw, Robert Jameson, page 517
  • ^ Frachetti, Michael David, Pastoralist Landscapes and Social Interaction in Bronze Age Eurasia, pp. 52–3
  • ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 444-7.
  • ^ Anthony 2007, pp. 443-4.
  • ^ Jump up to:a b Anthony 2007.
  • ^ Jump up to:a b Chernykh, E.N. (2008). "Formation of the Eurasian "Steppe Belt" of Stockbreeding cultures". Archaeology, Ethnology and Anthropology of Eurasia. 35 (3): 36–53. doi:10.1016/j.aeae.2008.11.003.
  • ^ Chernykh 1992, p.220-21, figs. 74, 75.
  • ^ Christian 1998.
  • ^ Jump up to:a b Keys, David (January 2009). "Scholars crack the code of an ancient enigma". BBC History Magazine. 10 (1): 9.
  • ^ Higham, C.; Higham, T.; Kijngam, A. (2011), "Cutting a Gordian Knot: the Bronze Age of Southeast Asia: origins, timing and impact", Antiquity, 85 (328): 583–598, doi:10.1017/S0003598X00067971
  • ^ E. Chernykh The “Steppe Belt” of stockbreeding cultures in Eurasia during the Early Metal Age Trab. Prehist., 65 (2008), pp. 73-93, 10.3989/tp.2008.08004
  • ^ C. Der Sarkissian, O. Balanovsky, G. Brandt, V. Khartanovich, A. Buzhilova, S. Koshel, V. Zaporozhchenko, D. Gronenborn, V. Moiseyev, E. Kolpakov, et al., "Genographic Consortium Ancient DNA reveals prehistoric gene-flow from siberia in the complex human population history of North East Europe" PLoS Genet., 9 (2013), p. e1003296
  • ^ "The American Journal of Human Genetics: Volume 99, Issue 1: Human Y Chromosome Haplogroup N: A Non-trivial Time-Resolved Phylogeography that Cuts across Language Families", 7 July 2016, Pages 163-173
  • ^ http://eujournal.org/index.php/esj/article/view/4182/4018
  • ^ Lalueza-Fox, C.; Sampietro, M. L.; Gilbert, M. T. P.; Castri, L.; Facchini, F.; Pettener, D.; Bertranpetit, J. (2004), "Unravelling migrations in the steppe: mitochondrial DNA sequences from ancient central Asians", Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences, 271 (1542): 941–947, doi:10.1098/rspb.2004.2698, PMC 1691686, PMID 15255049
  • ^ Keyser, Christine; Bouakaze, Caroline; Crubézy, Eric; Nikolaev, Valery G.; Montagnon, Daniel; Reis, Tatiana; Ludes, Bertrand (2009), "Ancient DNA provides new insights into the history of south Siberian Kurgan people", Human Genetics, 126 (3): 395–410, doi:10.1007/s00439-009-0683-0, PMID 19449030



bye bye little Goebels
[/QUOT

Why is it so hard for you to accept the facts?
You have to be able to hear other sides arguments!
Its time of iPhone and people have access instantly to information!
Greek historiography has too many lies, no one believes them! Be kind, if you get nervous its not going to do any good to anyone, even to the moderators
 
You are going crazy man it is not me ....I did not create this
R1a Greek Branch
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Greek

I happened to agree with this. That is all.

And I did not write this Hammond did.

Tumulus Burials in South Albania

Tumulus burial ceased in Mycenaean Greece before 1400 b.c., yet when Achilles honours Patroclus in Iliad he uses a method of burial than used only in Albania and farther north. It is likely that Homer here reveals the origins of heroic practice, and very probably the origin of oral epic. The dramatic date of the poem was 200 years after the end of tumulus burial in Mycenaean Greece and Homer himself lived 600 and 700 years after that time. But he went correctly to the north-west for the origin of Achilles, tumulus burial and heroic practices. For Albania was and is the homeland of heroes.

Tumulus-burial in Albania and problems of Ethnogenesis
Iliria Année 1976 4 pp. 127-132

Nicholas G. L. Hammond



The language used by Yetos is inappropriate.
I invite moderator to do something here.

And Yetos don’t copy from Wikipedia, show us academic papers for your statements.

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https://www.academia.edu/34656422/Albanians_and_the_Illyrian-_Pelasgian_thesis

Achilles people where a branch of pelagasians
 
@ blevins13

these are not academic words.
These are words of your mind.
YOU SNEAK AND HIDE BEHIND PAPPERS TO SPREAD POISON.
PROVIDING AN ANTI-GREEK AGENDA, AS REACTION OF HATEFULL SOUL, DUE TO OVER NATIONALISM,
LOOK WHAT YOU SAY TO US, TUMULI IS ALBANIAN MARK ??

tumulus burial (generally accepted as marker of illyrians) in macedonia close to mount olympus before mycenaean expansion.

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...acedonia-greece.pdf?origin=publication_detail


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Tumulus-burial in Albania and problems of Ethnogenesis
Iliria Année 1976 4 pp. 127-132
Nicholas G. L. Hammond
Tumulus burial ceased in Mycenaean Greece before 1400 b.c., yet when Achilles honours Patroclus in Iliad he uses a method of burial than used only in Albania and farther north. It is likely that Homer here reveals the origins of heroic practice, and very probably the origin of oral epic. The dramatic date of the poem was 200 years after the end of tumulus burial in Mycenaean Greece and Homer himself lived 600 and 700 years after that time. But he went correctly to the north-west for the origin of Achilles, tumulus burial and heroic practices. For Albania was and is the homeland of heroes.


Cetina related with Mycenaean civilization come on this is a joke not Seima -Turbino. Considering also lack of R1b so far and minimal step for sure Seima - Turbino.
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SO AFTER ALL THESE.
AND NO MATTER THE ANSWERS WERE GIVEN TO YOU,
YOU CONTINUE TO SNEAK AND HIDE, AND SPREAD YOUR ULTRANATIONALISTIC POSITION,
LITTLE A TRUE GOEBELS CHILD, ONLY YOU NEVER THOUGHT THE RESULTS OF SCHOPENHAUER,
WHICH FINALLY THE FIRST WHO BELIEVE HIS LIE, IS THE ONE WHO ATTACK WITH LIES,

AND SINCE YOU DID ASK A SORRY FOR YOUR SPECULATED, POISONOUS POSTS, At LEAST TO THE MYCENEANS AND PATROKLOS WHO MADE THEM URALIC / Fino-Ugric SPEAKING
I WILL EXPOSE YOU TO THE LIMIT.


Tumuli was used By all Proto-Greeks, was used by Myceneans, and its evolution gave the famous Makedonian Toumbas, which are typically and characteristic
and IS NOT ONLY Albanian, As you like it to be in your Brain, and in your Dreams,

Btw
did you go to a doctor to help you with Illyromania and Albanian only case?
Don't leave it, it will hurt you more in Future,
using Schopenhauer by the book, and step by step, makes people blind, and lost in space, or Only in, mass usage of Schopehauer it is just a shelf-exille from truth.

BYE BYE BLIND BLEVINS



Seima Turbino culture


TheAltai Mountainsin what is now southern Russia and central Mongolia have been identified as the point of origin of the cultural enigma of Seima-Turbino phenomenon.[7] The culture spread from these mountains to the west and to the east.[8] Artefact types such as spearheads with hooks, single-bladed knives and socketed axes with geometric designs traveled west and east.[9]

migrations spread the Uralic languagesacross Europe and Asia
.[11]

Notable is the similiarity between the range of Haplogroup N3a3’6, especially in the western part of Eurasia and the distribution of the Seima-Turbino trans-cultural phenomenon during the interval of 4.2–3.7 kya. [13] Carriers of N3a1-B211, the early branch of N3a, could have migrated to the eastern fringes of Europe by the same Seima-Turbino groups. However earlier migration(s) cannot be ruled out either; a study of ancient DNA revealed a 7,500-year-old influx from Siberia to northeast Europe. [14] [15]

BLEVINS
THIS IS SEIMA-TURBINO
ALTAIC
URALIC LANGUAGES
Hg N

I tend to keep calm and show respect to you.
But your egoism, Tumuli is Only Albanian origin
did not leave me more, patience has limits.


SO FORUM MEMBER BLEVINS13 WHICH BEFORE LAZARIDES PAPPER TOLD US OF HIS MYCENEAN ANCESTRY Due to R1b
Now tells us that Myceneans were Altaic connected, SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, and were heavily charched with Hg N genetically.

Understand it
these happens when you cultivate wrong ideas, to prevail
and use Schopehauer art of being right, to persuade about wrong being right
the effect maybe be permanent in your brain.
 
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@ blevins13

these are not academic words.
These are words of your mind.
YOU SNEAK AND HIDE BEHIND PAPPERS TO SPREAD POISON.
PROVIDING AN ANTI-GREEK AGENDA, AS REACTION OF HATEFULL SOUL, DUE TO OVER NATIONALISM,
LOOK WHAT YOU SAY TO US, TUMULI IS ONLY ALBANIAN MARK ??








SO AFTER ALL THESE.
AND NO MATTER THE ANSWERS WERE GIVEN TO YOU,
YOU CONTINUE TO SNEAK AND HIDE, AND SPREAD YOUR ULTRANATIONALISTIC POSITION,
LITTLE A TRUE GOEBELS CHILD, ONLY YOU NEVER THOUGHT THE RESULTS OF SCHOPENHAUER,
WHICH FINALLY THE FIRST WHO BELIEVE HIS LIE, IS THE ONE WHO ATTACK WITH LIES,

AND SINCE YOU DID ASK A SORRY FOR YOUR SPECULATED, POISONOUS POSTS, At LEAST TO THE MYCENEANS AND PATROKLOS WHO MADE THEM URALIC / Fino-Ugric SPEAKING
I WILL EXPOSE YOU TO THE LIMIT.


Tumuli was used By all Proto-Greeks, was used by Myceneans, and its evolution gave the famous Makedonian Toumbas, which are typically and characteristic
and IS NOT ONLY Albanian, As you like it to be in your Brain, and in your Dreams,

Btw
did you go to a doctor to help you with Illyromania and Albanian only case?
Don't leave it, it will hurt you more in Future,
using Schopenhauer by the book, and step by step, makes people blind, and lost in space, or Only in, mass usage of Schopehauer it is just a shelf-exille from truth.

BYE BYE BLIND BLEVINS



Seima Turbino culture


TheAltai Mountainsin what is now southern Russia and central Mongolia have been identified as the point of origin of the cultural enigma of Seima-Turbino phenomenon.[7] The culture spread from these mountains to the west and to the east.[8] Artefact types such as spearheads with hooks, single-bladed knives and socketed axes with geometric designs traveled west and east.[9]

migrations spread the Uralic languagesacross Europe and Asia
.[11]

Notable is the similiarity between the range of Haplogroup N3a3’6, especially in the western part of Eurasia and the distribution of the Seima-Turbino trans-cultural phenomenon during the interval of 4.2–3.7 kya. [13] Carriers of N3a1-B211, the early branch of N3a, could have migrated to the eastern fringes of Europe by the same Seima-Turbino groups. However earlier migration(s) cannot be ruled out either; a study of ancient DNA revealed a 7,500-year-old influx from Siberia to northeast Europe. [14] [15]

BLEVINS
THIS IS SEIMA-TURBINO
ALTAIC
URALIC LANGUAGES
Hg N

I tend to keep calm and show respect to you.
But your egoism, Tumuli is Only Albanian origin
did not leave me more, patience has limits.


SO FORUM MEMBER BLEVINS13 WHICH BEFORE LAZARIDES PAPPER TOLD US OF HIS MYCENEAN ANCESTRY Due to R1b
Now tells us that Myceneans were Altaic connected, SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, and were heavily charched with Hg N genetically.

Understand it
these happens when you cultivate wrong ideas, to prevail
and use Schopehauer art of being right, to persuade about wrong being right
the effect maybe be permanent in your brain.

I think moderators should stop this inappropriate language and insults.... or they let us know that this is a place that anyone can bark what they can so we at least know what we are dealing with!!!!!!!!???????



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I think moderators should stop this inappropriate language and insults.... or they let us know that this is a place that anyone can bark what they can so we at least know what we are dealing with!!!!!!!!???????



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I think Gods should punish you,
For Insulting Ancient cultures,

Listen what you say,
''TUMULI IS ONLY ALBANIA'',
So Mycaenae was Albania? right?
and Makedonians were Albanians? right?

and when not succeded to convice you started to tell us that Mycaenae were Altaic? spoke Uralic? and carry Ydna N?
How pathetic now to call moderators,Better call Gods to help you, if they can,
I wonder in what species they transform you.

you have been warned, that you move in strange fields, paranoia fields.
but you kept scratching your back on the bat.
I wonder !!!! did you change a little bit your mind?
 
Mycaenae were Altaic? spoke Uralic? and carry Ydna N?

He never said any of that. You are one of the most dishonest, insulting, bad faith people on this site. All you do is manipulate and agitate. All blevins did was post what Maciamo has written on Eupedia, and he shared a quote of NGL Hammond about the archaeological record, and how there are clashes in the narrative that you support.
 
@ blevins13

these are not academic words.
These are words of your mind.
YOU SNEAK AND HIDE BEHIND PAPPERS TO SPREAD POISON.
PROVIDING AN ANTI-GREEK AGENDA, AS REACTION OF HATEFULL SOUL, DUE TO OVER NATIONALISM,
LOOK WHAT YOU SAY TO US, TUMULI IS ONLY ALBANIAN MARK ??








SO AFTER ALL THESE.
AND NO MATTER THE ANSWERS WERE GIVEN TO YOU,
YOU CONTINUE TO SNEAK AND HIDE, AND SPREAD YOUR ULTRANATIONALISTIC POSITION,
LITTLE A TRUE GOEBELS CHILD, ONLY YOU NEVER THOUGHT THE RESULTS OF SCHOPENHAUER,
WHICH FINALLY THE FIRST WHO BELIEVE HIS LIE, IS THE ONE WHO ATTACK WITH LIES,

AND SINCE YOU DID ASK A SORRY FOR YOUR SPECULATED, POISONOUS POSTS, At LEAST TO THE MYCENEANS AND PATROKLOS WHO MADE THEM URALIC / Fino-Ugric SPEAKING
I WILL EXPOSE YOU TO THE LIMIT.


Tumuli was used By all Proto-Greeks, was used by Myceneans, and its evolution gave the famous Makedonian Toumbas, which are typically and characteristic
and IS NOT ONLY Albanian, As you like it to be in your Brain, and in your Dreams,

Btw
did you go to a doctor to help you with Illyromania and Albanian only case?
Don't leave it, it will hurt you more in Future,
using Schopenhauer by the book, and step by step, makes people blind, and lost in space, or Only in, mass usage of Schopehauer it is just a shelf-exille from truth.

BYE BYE BLIND BLEVINS



Seima Turbino culture


TheAltai Mountainsin what is now southern Russia and central Mongolia have been identified as the point of origin of the cultural enigma of Seima-Turbino phenomenon.[7] The culture spread from these mountains to the west and to the east.[8] Artefact types such as spearheads with hooks, single-bladed knives and socketed axes with geometric designs traveled west and east.[9]

migrations spread the Uralic languagesacross Europe and Asia
.[11]

Notable is the similiarity between the range of Haplogroup N3a3’6, especially in the western part of Eurasia and the distribution of the Seima-Turbino trans-cultural phenomenon during the interval of 4.2–3.7 kya. [13] Carriers of N3a1-B211, the early branch of N3a, could have migrated to the eastern fringes of Europe by the same Seima-Turbino groups. However earlier migration(s) cannot be ruled out either; a study of ancient DNA revealed a 7,500-year-old influx from Siberia to northeast Europe. [14] [15]

BLEVINS
THIS IS SEIMA-TURBINO
ALTAIC
URALIC LANGUAGES
Hg N

I tend to keep calm and show respect to you.
But your egoism, Tumuli is Only Albanian origin
did not leave me more, patience has limits.


SO FORUM MEMBER BLEVINS13 WHICH BEFORE LAZARIDES PAPPER TOLD US OF HIS MYCENEAN ANCESTRY Due to R1b
Now tells us that Myceneans were Altaic connected, SPOKE URALIC LANGUAGES, and were heavily charched with Hg N genetically.

Understand it
these happens when you cultivate wrong ideas, to prevail
and use Schopehauer art of being right, to persuade about wrong being right
the effect maybe be permanent in your brain.


Members of this forum, I am not sneaking anything, this is public info from the links below . I tent to agree with this
Eupedia:
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Greek

Or here

https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsEurope/GreeceMycenae.htm

So read and draw your own conclusions. Wrong ideas right ideas we are all here to learn not to be insulted.


Mycenaeans

The Mycenaeans were West Indo-Europeans, part of a much greater expansion and migration of Indo-Europeans (IEs) from the northern shores of the Black Sea and Caspian Sea. A general consensus of scholarly opinion was that they migrated into Eastern Europe from the Pontic-Caspian steppe in the period between 3300-2600 BC. After having left the main westwards migration of proto-IE around 2500 BC, they gradually blended into the indigenous population in the lower Balkans (the Pelasgians) between then and 2000 BC. However, in recent years that idea has undergone some refinement.

Clearly the Mycenaeans were part of an imported steppe culture. But the close relationship between Mycenaean and proto-Indo-Iranian languages shows that these two branches divided fairly late, sometime between 2500-2000 BC. Archaeologically, Mycenaean chariots, spearheads, daggers and other bronze objects show striking similarities to the Seima-Turbino culture (between about 1900-1600 BC) of the northern Russian forest-steppes, known for the great mobility of its nomadic warriors (Seima-Turbino sites have been found as far away as Mongolia). It is therefore likely that the Mycenaeans descended from the steppe into Greece between 1900-1650 BC, where they intermingled with the locals to create a new, unique Greek culture. Naturally, as the new dominant force in the region, their language would also have dominated. The locals had gained between 62% and 86% of their DNA from people who had introduced farming from Anatolia as part of 'Old Europe'. They would have adopted this language fairly quickly and, if not them, then their children or grandchildren would have, which is why modern Greek expresses its IE origins so clearly. However, the IE influence on DNA in Greece was more subtle than across much of Europe, showing that these Mycenaean IEs arriving in Greece were less in number than some of their IE cousins.

The new proto-Greek speakers covered a swathe of territory that reached as far north as Epirus. They emerged into the archaeological record rather suddenly, with the appearance of shaft grave royal burials around 1650 BC. but, whilst the first city states had emerged by 1600 BC (the same time at which Mycenaean culture also appears on Cyprus), the Mycenaeans did not form one nation state. Instead they banded their independent city states together under one leader in times of trouble. During their own time they were known primarily as Achaeans, after the Achaea region of Greece.

Records on the Mycenaeans are very sparse, usually being limited to myths and legends. Many of their leaders are semi or wholly legendary. The latter are backed in lilac, usually for events prior to the Trojan War. Mycenaeans also established trading outposts on the Anatolian coast, and were possibly the Ahhiyawa mentioned in Hittite texts from the mid-fifteenth century onwards. Their civilisation seems to have flourished immediately following the fall of Crete, which seems to have dominated the Greeks up to that point.

(Information by Peter Kessler, with additional information by Edward Dawson, from The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World, David W Anthony, from The Illiad, Homer (Translated by E V Rieu, Penguin, 1950), and from External Links: Haplogroup R1a (Eupedia Genetics), and DNA clue to origins of early Greek civilization (BBC News), and Grave of the Griffin Warrior.)



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I think Gods should punish you,
For Insulting Ancient cultures,

Listen what you say,
''TUMULI IS ONLY ALBANIA'',
So Mycaenae was Albania? right?
and Makedonians were Albanians? right?

and when not succeded to convice you started to tell us that Mycaenae were Altaic? spoke Uralic? and carry Ydna N?
How pathetic now to call moderators,Better call Gods to help you, if they can,
I wonder in what species they transform you.

you have been warned, that you move in strange fields, paranoia fields.
but you kept scratching your back on the bat.
I wonder !!!! did you change a little bit your mind?

Here you go again like it our not i am quoting Hammond, is this a lie?

Tumulus-burial in Albania and problems of Ethnogenesis
Iliria Année 1976 4 pp. 127-132

Nicholas G. L. Hammond

https://www.persee.fr/doc/iliri_1727-2548_1976_num_4_1_1174

Tumulus Burials in South Albania

Tumulus burial ceased in Mycenaean Greece before 1400 b.c., yet when Achilles honours Patroclus in Iliad he uses a method of burial than used only in Albania and farther north. It is likely that Homer here reveals the origins of heroic practice, and very probably the origin of oral epic. The dramatic date of the poem was 200 years after the end of tumulus burial in Mycenaean Greece and Homer himself lived 600 and 700 years after that time. But he went correctly to the north-west for the origin of Achilles, tumulus burial and heroic practices. For Albania was and is the homeland of heroes.





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Yes I know, The Eupedia articles,

but
similarities with Seima Turbino
Does not mean Seima Turbino,

so your sterile determine opinion, Kurgan= Greeks vs Tumuli=Albanians does not fit.

the problem of IE theories for Greeks, and the oposite, of Greeks in IE world and expansion is bigger,
and one more time I say it fits in all 3 theories, yet does fit to noone.

So lets Stop smashing the Mosquito, and swallow the rope,
cause if want propagandistic attacking policies, I can bring you many, as to anyone,
But that poison brain and heart.
 
Yes I know, The Eupedia articles,

but
similarities with Seima Turbino
Does not mean Seima Turbino,

so your sterile determine opinion, Kurgan= Greeks vs Tumuli=Albanians does not fit.

the problem of IE theories for Greeks, and the oposite, of Greeks in IE world and expansion is bigger,
and one more time I say it fits in all 3 theories, yet does fit to noone.

So lets Stop smashing the Mosquito, and swallow the rope,
cause if want propagandistic attacking policies, I can bring you many, as to anyone,
But that poison brain and heart.

There is no poison here, only information that already exists.... and I bring it here for the members as an option that I agree with. If you have more theories for Mycenaean and their link to Macedonians bring them for the members of this forum to evaluate.


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There is no poison here, only information that already exists.... and I bring it here for the members as an option that I agree with. If you have more theories for Mycenaean and their link to Macedonians bring them for the members of this forum to evaluate.


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Who cares about your opinion?
You Have already prove who you are,

Your Informations, that YOU Provide to us,
that Myceneans were Heavily Altaic,
:shocked:
SpokE Uralic Finno-Ugric,
:shocked:
And Had Hg N
:shocked:
Tumuli is Albanian and only Albanian mark !!!
:shocked:
and all because you can not distinguish simmilar from being.

YOU ARE NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS.
You Can NOT even Distinguish the similarity of group, whith the Belong to a group
And I wonder why I still Speak to you,

BYE BYE ........


At Least Ridiculous posts and opinions, Not to use another word,

Your answer is Given by Lazarides papper 2017,

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310

Offcourse 2 years now,
And After all this sound in Forum about this papper that shocked many in scientific community,
you never read it, or you will not,
At least let me inform you, it is a search widely accepted, which offcourse will improve in Future,
but fits with current data scientific community has.
Well keep your crap-science of Tumuli is only Albanian and Albanian mark,
who cares,

ACCEPT IT, and if you can't Swallow It,

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40791188

from the link :

But the much more minor influx of Steppe people into Greece compared with northern Europe has led some to conclude that this migration could not have effected a change in language. This might imply that progenitors of Greek - and perhaps other Indo-European languages - were already established in the Aegean by the time the Steppe people arrived.




BTW
You know Echidna, stays always at same point, shrinking her body around her shelf, trusting in her venom power, never leaves her 'place'
until her head is smashed.



there are many descent Albanians here
,
can't someone explain to him the Geneticks,
and the Greek issue on Antoni's work? that Antoni's theory of horse wheel and chariot, can not trully explain Greeks and Myceneans, not even Anatolian ones
and in Greece there is chance to spoke IE much before steppe reach N Europe and minor Asia.


Blevins
from the links

Archaeologist Kristian Kristiansen of the University of Gothenburg in Sweden, who was not involved in the work, agrees. “The results have now opened up the next chapter in the genetic history of western Eurasia—that of the Bronze Age Mediterranean.”

 
Who cares about your opinion?
You Have already prove who you are,

Your Informations, that YOU Provide to us,
that Myceneans were Heavily Altaic,
:shocked:
SpokE Uralic Finno-Ugric,
:shocked:
And Had Hg N
:shocked:
Tumuli is Albanian and only Albanian mark !!!
:shocked:
and all because you can not distinguish simmilar from being.

YOU ARE NOT TO BE TAKEN SERIOUS.
You Can NOT even Distinguish the similarity of group, whith the Belong to a group
And I wonder why I still Speak to you,

BYE BYE ........


At Least Ridiculous posts and opinions, Not to use another word,

Your answer is Given by Lazarides papper 2017,

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310

Offcourse 2 years now,
And After all this sound in Forum about this papper that shocked many in scientific community,
you never read it, or you will not,
At least let me inform you, it is a search widely accepted, which offcourse will improve in Future,
but fits with current data scientific community has.
Well keep your crap-science of Tumuli is only Albanian and Albanian mark,
who cares,

ACCEPT IT, and if you can't Swallow It,

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40791188

from the search :

But the much more minor influx of Steppe people into Greece compared with northern Europe has led some to conclude that this migration could not have effected a change in language. This might imply that progenitors of Greek - and perhaps other Indo-European languages - were already established in the Aegean by the time the Steppe people arrived.




BTW
You know Echidna, stays always at same point, shrinking her body around her shelf, trusting in her venom power, never leaves her 'place'
until her head is smashed.



there are many descent Albanians here
,
can't someone explain to him the Geneticks,
and the Greek issue on Antoni's work? that Antoni's theory of horse wheel and chariot, can not trully explain Greeks and Myceneans, not even Anatolian ones
and in Greece there is chance to spoke IE much before steppe reach N Europe and minor Asia.

This is the answer from Lazaridis (2017)
Quote
“Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia”.

No need to argue about me argue with me.

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This the answer from Lazaridis (2017)
Quote
“Mycenaeans differed from Minoans in deriving additional ancestry from an ultimate source related to the hunter–gatherers of eastern Europe and Siberia”.


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hahaha

which was? average 14 % value from 10-20 %, even lower than today or that time S caucasus and Armenia highlands.
same as today Greece has, and minest of all Europe !!! and almost 0% Altaic, and no hg N
which means genetically has nothing to do with Seima-Turbino. but there are similarities in chariots and mobility style, as there are with Hettites,
But no R1b, no R1a,
as for the Greek branches of R1a, there are 3 types, and Greece in other conditions could be the homeland of R1a, cause has a very big variety,
Macciamo express it well in Eupedia, using words simmilar, possible, might, cause he knows, avoiding identification=certification, in this case.
the Myceane Genetics are outside Steppe theory, yet we accept them for that 14%,
while the archaological evidences of coming of Greeks from Vucedol-Vatin as express by Blegen and Giannopoulos fits better to steppe theories via Yamnaa.
yet these theories from N Balkans still can not explain the Greco-Aryan, but can exlain the Greco-Latin,
It is a big puzzle, which is partially solved according each theory, but can not solved/unite

Before you spread any more poison I suggest you to find BMAC and Andronovo,
the key to all theories of IE is there,
and accept a sphairical view, comparing theories, before you make them a law
and leave the Albanian and only the Albanian, cause if enter Linguistic/gennetics we will speak for years.
 
hahaha

which was? average 14 % value from 10-20 %, even lower than today or that time S caucasus and Armenia highlands.
same as today Greece has, and minest of all Europe !!! and almost 0% Altaic, and no hg N
which means genetically has nothing to do with Seima-Turbino. but there are similarities in chariots and mobility style, as there are with Hettites,
But no R1b, no R1a,
as for the Greek branches of R1a, there are 3 types, and Greece in other conditions could be the homeland of R1a, cause has a very big variety,
Macciamo express it well in Eupedia, using words simmilar, possible, might, cause he knows, avoiding identification=certification, in this case.
the Myceane Genetics are outside Steppe theory, yet we accept them for that 14%,
while the archaological evidences of coming of Greeks from Vucedol-Vatin as express by Blegen and Giannopoulos fits better to steppe theories via Yamnaa.
yet these theories from N Balkans still can not explain the Greco-Aryan, but can exlain the Greco-Latin,
It is a big puzzle, which is partially solved according each theory, but can not solved/unite

Before you spread any more poison I suggest you to find BMAC and Andronovo,
the key to all theories of IE is there,
and accept a sphairical view, comparing theories, before you make them a law
and leave the Albanian and only the Albanian, cause if enter Linguistic/gennetics we will speak for years.

As I said before it seems that Patroclus has left the building......and imagine what follows after..::: if this looks like poison to you that is your problem not mine.


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hahaha

which was? average 14 % value from 10-20 %, even lower than today or that time S caucasus and Armenia highlands.
same as today Greece has, and minest of all Europe !!! and almost 0% Altaic, and no hg N
which means genetically has nothing to do with Seima-Turbino. but there are similarities in chariots and mobility style, as there are with Hettites,
But no R1b, no R1a,
as for the Greek branches of R1a, there are 3 types, and Greece in other conditions could be the homeland of R1a, cause has a very big variety,
Macciamo express it well in Eupedia, using words simmilar, possible, might, cause he knows, avoiding identification=certification, in this case.
the Myceane Genetics are outside Steppe theory, yet we accept them for that 14%,
while the archaological evidences of coming of Greeks from Vucedol-Vatin as express by Blegen and Giannopoulos fits better to steppe theories via Yamnaa.
yet these theories from N Balkans still can not explain the Greco-Aryan, but can exlain the Greco-Latin,
It is a big puzzle, which is partially solved according each theory, but can not solved/unite

Before you spread any more poison I suggest you to find BMAC and Andronovo,
the key to all theories of IE is there,
and accept a sphairical view, comparing theories, before you make them a law
and leave the Albanian and only the Albanian, cause if enter Linguistic/gennetics we will speak for years.



You posted Wikipedia to make your point as much as you can make a point from Wikipedia.

As follows:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seima-Turbino_phenomenon


In Wikipedia you will find also the opposite of your point.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age


As I said before Uralic and metallurgy do not fit together.

The Altai Mountains in what is now southern Russia and central Mongolia have been identified as the point of origin of a cultural enigma termed the Seima-Turbino Phenomenon.[27] It is conjectured that changes in climate in this region around 2000 BC and the ensuing ecological, economic and political changes triggered a rapid and massive migration westward into northeast Europe, eastward into China and southward into Vietnam and Thailand [28] across a frontier of some 4,000 miles.[27] This migration took place in just five to six generations and led to peoples from Finland in the west to Thailand in the east employing the same metal working technology and, in some areas, horse breeding and riding.[27] It is further conjectured that the same migrations spread the Uralic group of languages across Europe and Asia: some 39 languages of this group are still extant, including Hungarian, Finnish and Estonian.[27] However, recent genetic testings of sites in south Siberia and Kazakhstan (Andronovo horizon) would rather support a spreading of the bronze technology via Indo-European migrations eastwards, as this technology was well known for quite a while in western regions.[29][30]


Enjoy


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I know it's off topic but I have seen some Greeks with y-dna R1a-Z93 on some of these forums...
One of the deep branches I've seen is R-F2935, https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F2935/
This is too old to seem connected with some medieval or modern Turkic people and dates as you see to the Bronze Age.
The steppe element in the Mycenaeans could have very well been brought by some R1a-Z93 warriors when we consider that R1a-Z93 was found in Bronze age Bulgaria.
As such, coupled with the similarities that Blevin mentioned above in regards of material culture, Seima-Turbino seems as a very good candidate...
Also, these Mycenaeans look very eastern to my eyes:


 
I know it's off topic but I have seen some Greeks with y-dna R1a-Z93 on some of these forums...
One of the deep branches I've seen is R-F2935, https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F2935/
This is too old to seem connected with some medieval or modern Turkic people and dates as you see to the Bronze Age.
The steppe element in the Mycenaeans could have very well been brought by some R1a-Z93 warriors when we consider that R1a-Z93 was found in Bronze age Bulgaria.
As such, coupled with the similarities that Blevin mentioned above in regards of material culture, Seima-Turbino seems as a very good candidate...
Also, these Mycenaeans look very eastern to my eyes:





Yes I know,
But can not find which tomb it was,
If we are reffering to Kazanlak tombs, they are very very new,

Notice the 3 options

1 is to be older than Srubnaya so to be pre or proto Thracian from early devastations

2a is to be Srubnaya culture,

2b is to be the continuity of Srubnaya, a Scythian from minor Scythia

3 is to be the Skudra, the Persian Satraps in Thrace if the tomb is after 500-550 BC

from what I found genetists call him the lonely one migrant.

If you can found the date of tomb and what auDna or what origin % will help a lot,
 
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Why are allowed ad-hominem attacks in this thread?


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