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    BESIDES WHO CARES
    TOMORROW YOU WILL BE KOSSYFO PEOPLE

    YOU BELONG TO KOSSYFOPEDIO AS BEFORE
    YOU ARE HALF ALBANIANS

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    you are ignorant
    new teastament was written in greek not hebrew

    and names clearly that Makedonia ARE GREEKS , NOT JAVANS BUT HELLENES

    ACTS 17 12


    YOU SO IGNORANT THAT YOU INSIST THAT NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN IN HEBREW

    OH NO I M MISTAKEN MAYBE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN IN SLAVO-MAKEDONIAN

    HAHAHAHAHA

    HAHAHAHA WHY CROATIA IS HRVATSKA AND DALMATIA?
    DALMATIA IS NOT CROATIA?
    WHY WE SAY BAYERN MUNCHEN
    BAYERN IS NOT GERMANY?

    HAHAHAHAHA
    KEEP DREAMING

    IT MENTIONS AREAS NOT NATIONS
    PAUL IS MENTIONING AREAS NOT NATIONS
    THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK

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    Mr. Exclusive fake Greek

    Are you starting to lose yourself again? Are you on drugs?
    Cant you understand what the sources are saying?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament
    The New Testament (Greek: Καινὴ Διαθήκη, Kainē Diathēkē) is the second major division of the Christian biblical canon, the first such division being the much longer Old Testament.
    The common languages spoken by both Jews and Gentiles in the Holy Land at the time of Jesus were Aramaic, Koine Greek, and to a limited extent a colloquial dialect of Mishnaic Hebrew. All of the books that would eventually form the New Testament were written in Koine Greek, the vernacular dialect in the Roman provinces of the Eastern Mediterranean at the time. These books were later translated into other languages, most notably, Latin, Syriac, and Coptic. However, some of the Church Fathers imply or claim that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic. Nevertheless, the Gospel of Matthew known today was composed in Greek and is neither directly dependent upon nor a translation of a text in a Semitic language, though the citation of texts from the Old Testament demonstrates that the author of the Gospel of Matthew did know Hebrew.

    DOES NOT SAY IT WAS WRITTEN BY ANY GREEK (Koine was not exclusive for Greeks only).
    SO STOP THE DRUGS AND BE NORMAL.
    You win the price for the dumbest haplogroup G person on this forum.
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    Relax
    the ww1 is over
    bulgaria has lost
    tito is dead
    and albanians are ready to claim tetovo to kossovo
    soon you ll ask for a new id
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    WANNA PLAY PATRIOT? IF YOU WANT TO PLAY STUPID THEN I HAVE TO BE ON YOUR LEVEL WHEN WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH.

    Be ready to lose Macedonia in 2013 when 100 years are gone and the treaty ends.
    Over 1 million Macedonians are waiting in your country, to kick your ass.
    Albanians want Epirus back from your occupation so count about 1 more million that want their share back. And all other minority people who want their identity recognition. Not many Greeks left in the Fake Greek country.


    "Map of ethnical-geographical Macedonia, a territory that
    was never Greek, Bulgarian, nor Serbian before 1913"


    UNITED MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Bucharest_(1913)
    SMRT ILI SLOBODA.


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    OCCUPIED TERRITORIES

    Map showing the original territory of the Kingdom of Greece as laid down in the Treaty of 1832 (in dark blue).

    The consequences of the Greek revolution were somewhat ambiguous in the immediate aftermath. An independent Greek state had been established, but with Britain, Russia and France claiming a major role in Greek politics, an imported Bavarian dynast as ruler, and a mercenary army.[123] The country had been ravaged by ten years of fighting, was full of displaced refugees and empty Turkish estates, necessitating a series of land reforms over several decades.[30]
    The population of the new state numbered 800,000, representing less than one-third of the 2.5 million Greek inhabitants of the Ottoman Empire. During a great part of the next century, the Greek state was to seek the liberation of the "unredeemed" Greeks of the Ottoman Empire, in accordance with the Megali Idea, i.e. the goal of uniting all Greeks in one country.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megali_Idea
    Megali Idea (modern Greek: ΜεγάληΙδέα, "Great Idea") was an irredentist concept of Greek nationalism that expressed the goal of establishing a Greek state that would encompass all ethnic Greeks, since large Greek populations after the Greek independence in 1832 still lived under the Ottoman rule.
    The term appeared for the first time during the debates of Prime MinisterIoannis Kolettis with King Otto that preceded the promulgation of the 1844 constitution.[1] This was a visionary nationalist aspiration that was to dominate foreign relations and, to a significant extent, to determine the domestic politics of the Greek state for much of the first century of its independent existence. If the expression was new in 1844, the concept had roots in the Greek popular psyche, nurtured as it was by the prophecies and oracles that had kept alive, hopes of eventual liberation from Turkish rule.
    Megali Idea implied the goal of reviving the Byzantine Empire by establishing a Greek state, which would be, as ancient geographer Strabo wrote, a Greek world encompassing mostly the former Byzantine lands from the Ionian Sea to Mikra Asia (Asia Minor) and Euxenus Pontus (Black Sea) to the east, and from Thrace, Macedonia and Epirus, north, to Crete and Cyprus to the south. This new state will have its capital in Constantinople.
    The Megali Idea dominated the foreign policy and the domestic politics of Greece, from the War of Independence in the 1820s through the Balkan wars in the beginning of the twentieth century. It started to disappear after the defeat of Greece in the Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) and the Great Fire of Smyrna in 1922, followed by the exchange of population between Greece and Turkey in 1923.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(region)
    Borders of Macedonia according to different authors (1843–1927)



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
    William Ewart Gladstone FRS FSS (29 December 1809 – 19 May 1898) was a British Liberal statesman. In a career lasting over sixty years, he served as Prime Minister four times (1868–1874, 1880–1885, February–July 1886 and 1892–1894), more than any other person. Gladstone was 84 years old - still physically vigorous albeit with failing hearing and eyesight - when he resigned for the last time, making him Britain's oldest Prime Minister. He also served as Chancellor of the Exchequer four times (1853–1855, 1859–1866, 1873–1874, and 1880–1882).

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    • The hopelessness of the Turkish Government should make me witness with delight its being swept out of the countries which it tortures. Next to the Ottoman Government nothing can be more deplorable and blameworthy than jealousies between Greek and Slav and plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory. Why not Macedonia for the Macedonians as well as Bulgaria for the Bulgarians and Serbia for the Serbians?
      • Letter quoted in The Times (London), Mr. Gladstone and The Balkan Confederation (1897-02-06).

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    At least i will die as my father Leonidas

    come and get it

    Μολων λαβε

    2 000 000 Makedonians will await you 2013

    No union with Slavs
    even if NATO wants it,


    besiides tetovo to albania, kumanovo to serbia, strumnitsa to bulgaria
    the end of the hoax

    AND THE GREEK KIDS THAT TITO KIDNAPED BACK TO GREECE



    TRUE MAKEDONIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM


    ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΞΑΚΟΥΣΤΗ ΤΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ Η ΧΩΡΑ
    OH FAMOUS MAKEDONIA, ALEXANDERS COUNTRY
    ΠΟΥ ΕΔΙΩΞΕΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΛΕΥΘΕΡΗ ΕΙΣΑΙ ΠΑΛΙ
    YOU KICKED BACK BULGARIANS AND YOU ARE FREE AGAIN
    ΗΣΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΑ ΣΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΤΟ ΚΑΜΑΡΙ
    YOU WERE AND YOU WILL BE GREEK , THE PRIDE OF ALL GREEKS

    I AM MAKEDONIAN ORIGINAL FROM BALLA PIERIA
    I AM NOT A SLAV
    I DONT CLAIM SKOPJE CAUSE ITS NOT MY LAND
    STOP CLAIMING MY LAND MY NATIONALITY AND MY HISTORY AND IDENTITY


    MY GRAND GRAND FATHER SUFFERED ENOUGH OF YOU,
    HE FOUGHT YOU AT NAOUSA AND EDESSA LOST HIS FOOT
    YOU TOOK 16 KIDS OF OUR VILLAGE AT 1948
    NO MORE

    IN THE BIBLE AT ACTS 17 12 SAYS THAT MAKEDONIA WAS INHABITED BY GREEKS


    I COME FROM THE TRUE ANCIENT MAKEDONIA

    NO TREATY WILL TELL ME WHO I AM
    BESIDES I LIVE IN MY FATHERS LANDS


    I DONT WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH 4 NATIONS 3 RELIGIONS

    GREEKS ALBANIANS SERBS AND BULGARIANS
    ORTHODOX CATHOLIC AND MUSLIM

    BESIDES THAT AREA OF VARDASKA IS NOT MY COUNTRY, AND NEVER WAS

    LOOK CAREFULLY SKOPJE IS OUT
    THAT IS MY COUNTRY AND LAND





    i said that new testament was written in Greek, and Lucas was a Greek
    so the Acts of Apostols is tottaly Hellenic language (not Greek koine but Hellenistic Koine)
    and in new testament says clerly that in Thessaloniki not Solun apostolos Paulos lived among Greeks
    were it says Slavians????
    you were at Steppes that time
    does he says SLAVIANS ???? DOES HE SAYS BULGARIANS? OR SERBS?
    NO IT SAYS GREEKS ROMAN AND JEWS

    why? cause you were at Ucraine or Slovakia or above Donau at that time

    Understand English and stop Pretending
    You are a Slav a Slav who lived many years in ex SERBIAN CAPITAL, AND SPEAK BULGARIAN

    you have the right for a country but not the right to steal my History
    stop dreaming

    the only acceptable name is Slavo-Makedonia

    You are funny you claim my history, my name my lands my country, and you believe that i will let you? or i believe you?

    all refuges came here under exchange of population
    turks left greeks came
    Bulgarian left Greeks
    40 000 people of Monastiri (bitola came to Greece)

    except Perlepe etc

    how many went to skopje????
    excange of population was done,

    this is not 1913

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monasti...Ottoman_Empire

    There is opposing ethnographic data from that period, but it appears that no specific ethnic or religious group could claim an absolute majority of the population. According to the 1911 Ottoman census, Greeks were the largest Christian population in the vilayet, with 740,000 Greeks, 517,000 Bulgarians and 1,061,000 Muslims in the vilayets of Selanik (Thessaloniki) and Manastır.


    in 1821 Monastir(bitola) revolt
    and has 5 Greeks Heroes
    Σωτήριος Δαμιάνοβις[5][6], ο Δημήτριος Βούλγαρης, ο Στέργιος Νικολάου, ο Νικόλαος Σακκούλας και ο Νικόλαος Αδάμης

    almost 65 000 greeks left area and came to Greece

    even Manaki brothers who were Aromani vlachs (Armani) you make them Slavians
    its a shame

    besides its 2014 that is with turks
    its 2012 and you know it well. the big bam
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    Your father is not Leonidas, Pasha from Turkey is.

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    You dont give up? Time for more jokes :)

    I AM THE REAL ANCESTOR OF - PHILIP II MACEDON - WHO WILL PLACE A STATUE OF A LION AFTER MY VICTORY AND CONQUEST.

    Philip II Macedon defeated the Illyrians, the Thracians, the Greeks, the Scythians, and Triballians.
    Greek version, he united the greeks with a phalanx in their ass.

    Evidence:
    LUDVIG XVI and I are same from ROOT (Y-DNA - G2a3b1a), who is a relative to Philip II of Macedon.
    (And so are all humans from Adam and Eve).


    The Royal Bloodline Family Genealogy

    by David Icke http://www.davidicke.com/

    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bushbloodline.shtml

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/me...vingios_02.htm

    I have recently been sent a series of genealogical charts which detail a bloodline and its off shoots that will be highly relevant to the readers of The Biggest Secret. I had no idea of their existence when I wrote The Biggest Secret. Yet it reads like an index of the book and most, if not all, of the major players in the advancing agenda of global control over thousands of years. These charts are stunning confirmation that the same bloodlines have expanded their power out of the Near and Middle East of the ancient world to control the planet today, precisely as detailed in The Biggest Secret.

    For readers of The Biggest Secret the following will prove extremely interesting:

    The Merovingians

    This bloodline and its offshoots includes a long line of pharaohs in ancient Egypt, including Rameses II (1295-1228 BC), who is considered to be the greatest pharaoh of all. He was his country's master architect (sacred geometry) and his name can be found on almost every ancient shrine. The gold mines of Nubia made him rich beyond the imagination. This bloodline also includes the extraterrestrial-human hybrids who ruled Sumer, Babylon, Greece, and Troy, and which, today, rule the world.

    One common link in this bloodline is Philip of Macedonia (382-336BC),who married Olympias, and their son was Alexander the Great (356-323BC), a tyrant who plundered that key region of Greece, Persia, Syria, Phoenicia, Egypt, Babylon, the former lands of Sumer, and across into India before dying in Babylon at the age of 33. During his rule of Egypt he founded the city of Alexandria, one the greatest centers for esoteric knowledge in the ancient world. Alexander was taught by the Greek philosopher, Aristotle, who in turn was taught by Plato and he by Socrates. The bloodline and the hidden advanced knowledge have always gone together.

    This key bloodline comes down through the most famous Egyptian queen, Cleopatra (60-30BC), who married the most famous Roman Emperor, Julius Caesar, and bore him a son, who became Ptolemy XIV. She also bore twins with Mark Anthony, who has his own connections to this line and its many offshoots; this bloodline also connects to Herod the Great, the "Herod" of the Jesus stories, and continues to the Roman Piso family who, as I explain in The Biggest Secret, wrote the Gospel stories and invented the mythical figure called Jesus!!; the same bloodline includes Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who, in 325AD, turned Christianity, based on his ancestors' stories, into the religion we know today, and King Ferdinand of Spain and Queen Isabella of Castile, the sponsors of Christopher Columbus, who instigated the horrific Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834) in which people were tortured and burned at the stake for in any way questioning the basis of the religion their various ancestors had created.

    More than that, the most used version of the Bible [King James Bible] was commissioned and sponsored by another strand in the same bloodline, King James 1st of England. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about! The line of James, according to genealogy sources listed below, can be traced back to 1550 BC and beyond and includes many Egyptian pharaohs, including Rameses II.

    The bloodline moved into France and northern Europe through the Franks and Meroveus or Merovee, who gave his name to the Merovingian bloodline, and it continues with the rest of the Merovingian clan like Clovis and the Dagoberts who connect into the elite secret society, the Priory of Sion and the Rennes-le-Chateau "mystery" in Languedoc [Provence], Southern France. Many books have been written recently which claim that the Merovingians are the bloodline of "Jesus".

    Some of these authors have just been mistaken, others have blatantly sought to confuse and mislead. The Merovingians are a key bloodline, yes, but it has nothing to do with Jesus, who was invented by an earlier family in the same line, the Pisos. Authors like Sir Laurence Gardner (Bloodline of the Holy Grail and a favorite of Nexus Magazine and its owner, Duncan Roads) MUST know this and yet they still connect the Merovingians to "Jesus". Why??

    The Merovingians were Goddess Diana worshippers, as are so many in this line to the present day. They founded the city we call Paris and on one of their former sites of Diana ritual, Princess Diana was murdered in the Pont d'Alma tunnel (meaning "bridge or passage of the Moon Goddess") on August 31st, 1997. As The Biggest Secret points out, the Windsors, another Merovingian bloodline, were very much involved in this ritual murder.

    From the Merovingians, this bloodline's connections to the present day include: Charlemagne (742-814), who ruled as Emperor of the West in the Holy Roman Empire; a stream of French kings, including Robert II, Philip Ist, II and III, and Louis Ist, II, VI, VII, VIII, VIIII, XIII, IX, XV, and XVI. The latter married Marie Antoinette of this same bloodline and both were executed in the French Revolution. But they produced the son who became Daniel Payseur, who, as The Biggest Secret explains, was taken to the United States where he became the secret force behind the Morgan and Carnegie empires and owned vast amounts of real estate, banking, and industrial holdings.

    This bloodline also connects to the de Medici family which supported Christopher Columbus and produced Catherine de Medici, the Queen of France who died in 1589. Her doctor was Nostradamus: It includes Rene d'Anjou, Duke of Lorraine, and the House of Lorraine which employed Nostradamus and Christopher Columbus. The bloodline relatives of the de Medicis and the House of Lorraine, Queen Isabella of Castile and King Ferdinand of Spain, were also sponsors of Columbus when he "discovered" the Americas.

    This bloodline also includes the Habsburgs, the most powerful family in Europe under the Holy Roman Empire; Geoffrey Plantagenet and the Plantagenet royal dynasty in England; King John, who signed the Magna Carta; King Henry Ist, II, and III, who were extremely close to the Knights Templar, as was King John; Mary Stuart and the Stuart Dynasty, including King James Ist of England, sponsor of the King James version of the Bible; King George Ist, II, and III; Edward Ist, II, and III, Queen Victoria; Edward VII; George V and VI; Queen Elizabeth II; Prince Charles and Elizabeth's other offspring, Anne, Andrew and Edward; Princes William and Harry from Charles' "marriage" to Princess Diana; US Presidents, George Washington, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and George Bush are all named in the charts as strands of this bloodline; it was passed on to the year 2000 US presidential favorite, George W. Bush Jr., and his brother, Jeb Bush, the Governor of Florida.

    In fact if you go deeply enough into the genealogical research you will find that ALL the presidents are from this line. Genealogical sources, like the New England Historical Genealogical Society and Burkes Peerage, have shown that 33 of the 42 presidents [up] to Clinton are related to Charlemagne and 19 are related to England's Edward III, both of whom are of this bloodline. A spokesman for Burkes Peerage, the bible of royal and aristocratic genealogy based in London, has said that every presidential election since and including George Washington in 1789 has been won by the candidate with the most royal genes. Now we can see how and why. United States presidents are not chosen by ballot, they are chosen by blood!

    This same bloodline also includes key Scottish families like the Lords of Galloway and the Comyns; Marie-Louise of Austria, who married Napoleon Bonaparte; Kaiser Wilhelm II, the king of Germany at the time of the First World War; and Maximilian, the Habsburg emperor of Mexico, who died in 1867. On and on it goes into country after country. This bloodline connects into every surviving royal family in Europe, including King Juan Carlos of Spain and the Dutch, Swedish, and Danish royal lines.

    And this is just ONE of the reptilian bloodlines and just SOME of its offshoots.

    There are others which connect with these names and span the same period and beyond to thousands of years BC. Detailed family trees of the above are available on: Piso Homepage (http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/piso/)

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    That's the Greeks good will to make friends and peace in Europe? I'm sorry Elias, I like you very much, but this is what I learnt from Eupedia posts, and take it from the impartial observer, who don't care for any of involved countries.

    Greeks hate Turks, despise Albanians, Bulgarians are enemies, Macedonians want to destroy Greece, Serbians probably not much better, they are Slavs after all.
    Can you see you don't have even one neighbour you can call a friend???!!!
    And all I can hear is how victimized the Greece is. " They want to take our land, take our names away, we are the victims." Please, stop whining and show some positive action.

    I'm not defending any other country mentioned, and I think they are not helping the cause of european unity much either. I'll be as much objective about them when a time comes.

    Take it from impartial commentator.
    Greeks are in state of Paranoia. And I don't see any cooperation or compromises here. For me the straw that broke the camel's back was the arguing about a "stupid" name.

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    Only a non-greek can say what you just wrote and thats the real problem here.

    If people think they can play hard then be ready to receive the same.

    Greek view:
    Its Impossible to talk about Macedonians and Macedonia its already Greek in their dream and thats end of discussion.

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    Get lost, what positive, the man can't understand,
    he claims my land my name me history,
    teach him manners lebrok not me,
    i don't claim nothing,
    simply i dont want to enter in a state with 4 languges 4 nations 3 religions, to satisfy his dream
    is he a Slavian or not?
    ask him?


    DejaVu are you a Slavian or not?

    we don't want your offer,
    even if Nato or other push us to do it we dont Wanted it,
    keep your lands, stop claiming my identity and my lands, and then we move to future,

    else the way is known,
    the old good method
    Mikhail Kalashnikov
    Yuriiiiiiii


    besides everybody knows who is behind Greek Crisis,
    who pushed to IMF and who gone back to others

    Lebrok if you are not a balkanian you can't understand,
    yesterday we didn't know each other
    today we drink wine together and have fun
    tomorrow we fight with music still drunken

    the day after we meet and cry,
    and the day after the day after tomorrow we drink again


    That is ballkan lebrok
    Dejavu knows it,
    we provoke each other, as we can drink wine in an Aegean beach, or slibovica in the banks of Bardar, and tomorrow fight , and the day after tomorrow still friends,
    right now i am drink a family pack wine from SKOVIN skopje, brought by a friend,

    when he brought it to me, i pass with blank tape over Makedonsko vino,
    when i return him a Greek Makedonian halva he erase the Greek flag

    when i go to my friends in Bulgaria I never say Plovdiv but Phillipopolis when he come in Greece never says Edessa or thessaloniki but Vodena and Solunu

    only when i go to Serbia i don't meet such things,

    it is simple the country that Dejavu offers me is according map
    with 4 ethnicities 4 languages 3 religions
    its not my home, not my language,
    thank you i don't wanted it
    skopje was never my land
    its full of I2a2, which was never a Greek Haplogroup
    meaning that even by blood is different,


    tell them to stop claiming, and then we go on to better relations,
    by claiming they only win enemies

    this is not Korea that is divited by political
    this a 2 different nations being one,
    you cant put the bull and the wolf in the same stable

    you may have 2 ox to pull a wagon or 2 horses, or 10 dogs
    but you never put an ox with a dog or a horse with ox
    have you ever seen that?
    where the wagon go? to the lake or to the rocks?

    it is simple they claim that lived in makedonia villaet, ok
    so the name Makedonian for for them is what ?
    a geogrfical area they live?
    or a nationality?
    cause if it is a geografical ok then they have also an ethicitie which?
    but if is an ethnicitie then they admit that they are greek!!, or they are not!!!
    as they say they are not,
    so who are they?

    tell me Lebrok
    who are they?

    for me they are either Paenones or slavs cause they speak slavian
    ok let them have the ethnicitie and the Makedonian after
    like
    Slavo-Makedonia
    or bulgaro -Makedonia
    or Thraco-Makedonia
    or Paionomakedonia

    it is not the land that gives name to people,
    its the people who give name to land
    France is after Francais not Normands
    Germany is after Deutch not Bayerns

    let them stop claiming and name their nationality

    your proposal are unacceptable 2 000 000 in Makedonia ,3 000 000 Makedonians in Greece, and 5 000 000, all over the world will always say the truth,

    stop claiming my land and nationality you are unwelcome with that proposal

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    LeBrok I have told you before that since you are not from the balkans you will never be able to understand it. The Balkan nations are always in conflict with each other.

    You are perfectly able to understand the situation in the Middle East right? Then you should think of the Balkans as a more peacefull version of what is going on there.

    We are not lucky enough to be where France is and have Germany, England and Spain around us to live peacefully with them. Since ancient times our country has been the target of every expanding nation because of our geographical position. Everyone wants a piece of our land. We are used to defending our country against preditors... You can't walk in our shoes so you will never be able to understand it. Iapetoc described our relations very well in the post above, but still it is not easy to fully understand it unless you have lived here. The country you are living in doesn't have our problems. You don't have the Turks claiming the Aegean and west Thrace, you don't have FYROM claiming Macedonia, nor Albanians claiming Epirus. You have USA claiming nothing... You are lucky...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    That's the Greeks good will to make friends and peace in Europe? I'm sorry Elias, I like you very much, but this is what I learnt from Eupedia posts, and take it from the impartial observer, who don't care for any of involved countries.

    Greeks hate Turks, despise Albanians, Bulgarians are enemies, Macedonians want to destroy Greece, Serbians probably not much better, they are Slavs after all.
    Can you see you don't have even one neighbour you can call a friend???!!!
    And all I can hear is how victimized the Greece is. " They want to take our land, take our names away, we are the victims." Please, stop whining and show some positive action.

    I'm not defending any other country mentioned, and I think they are not helping the cause of european unity much either. I'll be as much objective about them when a time comes.

    Take it from impartial commentator.
    Greeks are in state of Paranoia. And I don't see any cooperation or compromises here. For me the straw that broke the camel's back was the arguing about a "stupid" name.
    Greece and bulgaria are fine with each other, both are in the EU, NATO, and share similar geographical interests. Greece and Albania are fine with each other, its just the nationalists that say otherwise. Greece and serbia and the other slavic countries, montenegro, ukraine, even russia, actually have really good relations with each other.

    Greece and turkey, well, the agean warmongering and cyprus isn't helping, both of which are illegal, but you ask greece to comprismise? I don't think so. FYROM is built on lies and propaganda which promotes radical views and a distaste for the historical truth as seen here with dejavu who acts like a wild dog. FYROM adopted this "manifest vendetta" against greece because Bulgaria lost the second balkan war which Greece aquired greek macedonia. As long as they think they are 'ethnic macedonians', something I have proven wrong and only brought about due to communist brainwashing, the longer they hide from reality. You and I have similar views about european integration and understanding, but not much understanding on the issues keeping them apart.I don't think you "put yourself in the other persons shoes" when it comes to Greece here. How is a country or its citizens supposed to react when two of its neighbors have land claims against you and promote them domestically? Then you hear outside poeple saying find a comprimise, I'm sorry there is no comprimise to land claims against you, infact such claims could be seen as a decloration of war if they actually start sending war machines into your territory like turkey does in the agean.

    You're entitled to your opinion of course.

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    I'm glad that maybe it's not that bad as I thought. ;)

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    Lebrok ask DejaVu,
    What language that state is claiming shall have as Primary?
    the slavomakedonian
    or the GrecoMakedonian

    What alphabet we have?
    the Greek or the Cyrillic ???

    who will be our Heroes my grand father who fought Bulgarians?
    or his who fought Greeks

    what history will write?

    captain Litsas or Melas (true Makedonian)
    or Yane Sandasky will be a hero? (SlavoMakedonian)

    Besides look the difference
    i write Makedonia with K as Greeks
    he writes Macedonia with C as all slav do

    do you understand now Lebrok?

    Yugo-Slavia expirement is over, tito f... us All in balkans
    how many people died by his policy?????

    Why to make a new Yugoslavia of 4 nations 4 languages 3 religion
    just to make wars Today and after 50 years to Break down and make a new war

    that Dejavu is proposing is to Create a new Yugoslavia with the name Makedonia with the Treaty of 1913?????
    or simply if we don't accept he will conquer us and always claim my nationality and lands

    That is not a Friendly proposal

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    I'm 100% positive that once a comprimise has been reached between Greece and FYROM relations will only improve with each other as, like Bulgaria, FYROM and Greece have similar geographical interests with each other and good relations will emerge over time.

    That will leave Greece to focus its attention to Turkey and solving the disputes there, though I'm not sure Turkey really wants to resolves the issues as they are on the wrong end of said disputes in international law.

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    Must repost you are avoiding facts AGAIN. NOTICE: Its not Titos Almanac.
    If you are going to continue with lies then it will be more posts and reposts.


    The Existence of a Macedonian Minority in Greece!



    1.8% ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
    1.5% Albanians in Greece.
    1.4% Turks in Greece.
    0.9% Pomaks in Greece.
    0.9% Roms (Gypsies) in Greece.
    3.1% Other nationality in Greece.
    90.4% Greeks in Greece.


    Greece does not recognize Macedonian minority in Greece.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece
    And this are the statistics in Wikipedia.
    93.8% Greek,
    4.3% Albanian,
    1.9% others

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    Of course there is a macedonian minority in Greece, the two countries boarder each other, what's your point?

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    The name is Macedonians not Bulgarians and Greece does not recognize Macedonian minority in Greece.


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    POLITICAL PARTY OF THE MACEDONIAN MINORITY IN GREECE
    Member of the European Free Alliance - European Political Party (EFA-EPP)
    Member of the Federal Union of European Nationalities (FUEN)

    On September 8th, 1995, the members of the ethnic Macedonian political party in Greece, the RAINBOW PARTY, opened an office in the city of Florina.

    On 19th January 1997 the Second Conference of the "RAINBOW" party was held in Florina. The Conference was attended by 76 delegates of all local units.

    At that time it adopted a Political Manifesto and Organizational Principles, in addition to electing a Central Council comprised of 19 members.

    Out of the 76 participant delegates, only Mr. Traianos Pasois and Mr. Hristos Pritskas, disagreed with the national-political character of the organization, the decisions made by the majority, and withdrew from the Conference.

    The Central Council held its first session in Edessa (Voden) on the January 26th, 1997, and elected a five-member Political Secretariat, an Economic Commission, an Editors' Council, etc. It was decided to publish the follow-up materials (conclusions) of the Second Conference in the next edition of the Newsletter. The letter will be available in Macedonian and Greek.

    Also the Central Council unanimously decided to exclude the above mentioned members on the grounds of their actions which were contrary to the Organization's Principles and the party's Political Manifesto.

    In its Political Manifesto "RAINBOW" has aired its wish to cooperate with all democratic and anti-nationalist forces in the country in its struggle for peace and European integration.

    To this purpose - attributing great significance to minority issues and the developing of political democracy in the country - "RAINBOW" will Launch initiatives to establish cooperation on basis of a joint political platform with all democratic forces.

    The Central Council would like to express its gratitude, on behalf of all members and supporters of "RAINBOW" to all Macedonians who have aided our efforts materially and morally thus contributing to the achievement of our objective as an organization.

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    Macedonian as a national sence not an ethnic sense. You can thank Tito for the brainwashing.


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    Year Type of Election Votes % Mandates 1994 European Parliament 7,263 0.10 0 1996 Parliament 3,4851 0.05 - 1999 European Parliament 4,951 0.08 0 2004 European Parliament 6,176 0.10 0 2009 European Parliament 4,530 0.09 0

    The highest number of votes they got was in 1994 with 7,263. Impressive in fact that you claim there are 1 million macedonians in greece.

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    Western Europeans created Greece and brainwashed some christian Turks that became modern Greeks.

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    @Elias2

    How can you have a decent conversation with such a person?
    Western Europeans created Greece and brainwashed some christian Turks that became modern Greeks.
    It is obvious there is no logic in his posts... We have posted and repeated so many researches that prove that Greeks are not mixed with Turks, that Greeks cluster with the rest of Europeans and have been the same people since ancient times but there is no pleasing him...

    I think you are wasting your time replying. It is clear that he only joined this forum to troll about the Macedonian issue since 100% of his posts are about this topic and they provide no historical evidence to support the brainwashing that has happened to him. There are many people from Skopje like him searching the web for forums with such topics and then register just to troll and spread their propaganda about the issue...

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    How can you have a decent conversation with such a person?
    Elias2 - "You can thank Tito for the brainwashing." - (a 12 year old comment.)

    Have showed you that Macedonians are Macedonians and you are continuing to spread fake identity (Bulgarians, Skopians, Slavs, Tito invention and more). "Marianne, Elias2 and iapetoc"

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