Macedonians

[LeBrok]

I'm glad that maybe it's not that bad as I thought.

 

[iapetoc]

Lebrok ask DejaVu,
What language that state is claiming shall have as Primary?
the slavomakedonian
or the GrecoMakedonian

What alphabet we have?
the Greek or the Cyrillic ???

who will be our Heroes my grand father who fought Bulgarians?
or his who fought Greeks
what history will write?

captain Litsas or Melas (true Makedonian)
or Yane Sandasky will be a hero? (SlavoMakedonian)

Besides look the difference
i write Makedonia with K as Greeks
he writes Macedonia with C as all slav do

do you understand now Lebrok?

Yugo-Slavia expirement is over, tito f... us All in balkans
how many people died by his policy?????

Why to make a new Yugoslavia of 4 nations 4 languages 3 religion
just to make wars Today and after 50 years to Break down and make a new war

that Dejavu is proposing is to Create a new Yugoslavia with the name Makedonia with the Treaty of 1913?????
or simply if we don't accept he will conquer us and always claim my nationality and lands

That is not a Friendly proposal

 

[Elias2]

I'm 100% positive that once a comprimise has been reached between Greece and FYROM relations will only improve with each other as, like Bulgaria, FYROM and Greece have similar geographical interests with each other and good relations will emerge over time.

That will leave Greece to focus its attention to Turkey and solving the disputes there, though I'm not sure Turkey really wants to resolves the issues as they are on the wrong end of said disputes in international law.

 

[DejaVu]

Must repost you are avoiding facts AGAIN. NOTICE: Its not Titos Almanac.
If you are going to continue with lies then it will be more posts and reposts.


The Existence of a Macedonian Minority in Greece!

1.8% ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
1.5% Albanians in Greece.
1.4% Turks in Greece.
0.9% Pomaks in Greece.
0.9% Roms (Gypsies) in Greece.
3.1% Other nationality in Greece.
90.4% Greeks in Greece.


Greece does not recognize Macedonian minority in Greece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece
And this are the statistics in Wikipedia.
93.8% Greek,
4.3% Albanian,
1.9% others

 

[Elias2]

Of course there is a macedonian minority in Greece, the two countries boarder each other, what's your point?

 

[DejaVu]

The name is Macedonians not Bulgarians and Greece does not recognize Macedonian minority in Greece.


http://www.florina.org/
POLITICAL PARTY OF THE MACEDONIAN MINORITY IN GREECE
Member of the European Free Alliance - European Political Party (EFA-EPP)
Member of the Federal Union of European Nationalities (FUEN)

On September 8th, 1995, the members of the ethnic Macedonian political party in Greece, the RAINBOW PARTY, opened an office in the city of Florina.

On 19th January 1997 the Second Conference of the "RAINBOW" party was held in Florina. The Conference was attended by 76 delegates of all local units.

At that time it adopted a Political Manifesto and Organizational Principles, in addition to electing a Central Council comprised of 19 members.

Out of the 76 participant delegates, only Mr. Traianos Pasois and Mr. Hristos Pritskas, disagreed with the national-political character of the organization, the decisions made by the majority, and withdrew from the Conference.

The Central Council held its first session in Edessa (Voden) on the January 26th, 1997, and elected a five-member Political Secretariat, an Economic Commission, an Editors' Council, etc. It was decided to publish the follow-up materials (conclusions) of the Second Conference in the next edition of the Newsletter. The letter will be available in Macedonian and Greek.

Also the Central Council unanimously decided to exclude the above mentioned members on the grounds of their actions which were contrary to the Organization's Principles and the party's Political Manifesto.

In its Political Manifesto "RAINBOW" has aired its wish to cooperate with all democratic and anti-nationalist forces in the country in its struggle for peace and European integration.

To this purpose - attributing great significance to minority issues and the developing of political democracy in the country - "RAINBOW" will Launch initiatives to establish cooperation on basis of a joint political platform with all democratic forces.

The Central Council would like to express its gratitude, on behalf of all members and supporters of "RAINBOW" to all Macedonians who have aided our efforts materially and morally thus contributing to the achievement of our objective as an organization.

 

[Elias2]

Macedonian as a national sence not an ethnic sense. You can thank Tito for the brainwashing.


Rainbow party:

Results, 1994–2009
(year links to election page) Year Type of Election Votes % Mandates 1994 European Parliament 7,263 0.10 0 1996 Parliament 3,4851 0.05 - 1999 European Parliament 4,951 0.08 0 2004 European Parliament 6,176 0.10 0 2009 European Parliament 4,530 0.09 0

The highest number of votes they got was in 1994 with 7,263. Impressive in fact that you claim there are 1 million macedonians in greece.

 

[DejaVu]

Western Europeans created Greece and brainwashed some christian Turks that became modern Greeks.

 

[Marianne]

@Elias2

How can you have a decent conversation with such a person?

Western Europeans created Greece and brainwashed some christian Turks that became modern Greeks.

It is obvious there is no logic in his posts... We have posted and repeated so many researches that prove that Greeks are not mixed with Turks, that Greeks cluster with the rest of Europeans and have been the same people since ancient times but there is no pleasing him...

I think you are wasting your time replying. It is clear that he only joined this forum to troll about the Macedonian issue since 100% of his posts are about this topic and they provide no historical evidence to support the brainwashing that has happened to him. There are many people from Skopje like him searching the web for forums with such topics and then register just to troll and spread their propaganda about the issue...

 

[DejaVu]

How can you have a decent conversation with such a person?
Elias2 - "You can thank Tito for the brainwashing." - (a 12 year old comment.)

Have showed you that Macedonians are Macedonians and you are continuing to spread fake identity (Bulgarians, Skopians, Slavs, Tito invention and more). "Marianne, Elias2 and iapetoc"

 

[Elias2]

@ marianne

You have to talk to them in a decent manner even though they don't do the same, it only makes them look bad

@ dejavu

If you think Western powers created greece you need to do research on the greek enlightenment that came of the momentum of the french revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_Enlightenment

 

[DejaVu]

There are 131 countries which makes more than 2/3 of the United Nations that recognize Republic of Macedonia under its constitutional name as of 18 January, Bolivia being the last one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_naming_dispute


List of countries/entities
(dark green) that use "Republic of Macedonia" in bilateral diplomatic relations.
(red) that use "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" for all official purposes.
(green) whose official position on the issue is unknown.
(grey) that have no diplomatic relations with the country

 

[iapetoc]

The highest number of votes they got was in 1994 with 7,263. Impressive in fact that you claim there are 1 million macedonians in greece.

the name of the party Rainbow Ουρανιο Τοξο
SlavoMakedonian minority party
1 man and 1 cleric
Votes 7 000 max

what 1 million you say?
Do in Skopje they tell you that you are 1 million In Aegean?
and you Believe them??

If you were 1 million you would revolt,
simply 7 000 votes

and you will tell me that Greeks are fasists Country, thank you

Another of your Arquements fall in Emptyness

 

[iapetoc]

ok now lets ask that countries,

did they accept you as fathers of Alexander?
Did they accept also your claims?

I don't think so

they simply as Greece accept you as an Indipedent Country

I don't Believe they Accept also your claims

 

[Elias2]

How can you have a decent conversation with such a person?
Elias2 - "You can thank Tito for the brainwashing." - (a 12 year old comment.)

12 year old comment or blunt truth? I think the latter.

 

[DejaVu]

Must repost you are avoiding facts AGAIN. NOTICE: Its not Titos Almanac.
If you are going to continue with lies then it will be more posts and reposts.


The Existence of a Macedonian Minority in Greece!

1.8% ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
1.5% Albanians in Greece.
1.4% Turks in Greece.
0.9% Pomaks in Greece.
0.9% Roms (Gypsies) in Greece.
3.1% Other nationality in Greece.
90.4% Greeks in Greece.


Greece does not recognize Macedonian minority in Greece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece
And this are the statistics in Wikipedia.
93.8% Greek,
4.3% Albanian,
1.9% others

1.8% Macedonians in Greece of 11,239 millions total people = more then 200 000 Macedonians.
(The others are afraid of losing their job by self-determination)

The Macedonians of Greece speak out! (over 1 million Macedonians in Greece)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnPp5740zXg

 

[Elias2]

@ Dejavu

I'm not avoiding anything, and I comment on everything you say, but you don't comment on my rebuttals. So tell me these things;

why do you say there are 1 million macedonians in greece when you rainbow party only got 7,000 votes at most in 1994? Considering its a secret ballot process there is no need to fear backlash.

why did the VMRO (internal macedonian Revolutionary organization) fight for Sofia in the balkan wars? Why did Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader call himself Bulgarian?

If there is a different ethnic macedonian people apart from Bulgaria, why do Macdonians group so closely with bulgarians in DNA studies?

Why are you so adament about not comprimising with Greece over the name dispute?

If you don't answer these questions is just goes to show you are just another ultra-nationalist.

 

[DejaVu]

The Bulgarian or was he Macedonian?

 

[Elias2]

"The political and military leaders of the slavs of macedonia at teh turn of the century seem not to have heard Misirkov's call for a separate macedonian national identity; they continued to identify themselves in a national sense as bulgarians rather than macedonians. The political goals of the internal macedonian Revolutionary organization (VMRO) were the liberation of macedonia from the Ottoman Empire, and the establishment of an autonomous Macedonia, but VMRO's leadership was challenged by the formation of the supreme macedonian comittee in Sofia, whose ultimate foal was the annexation of macedonian by Bulgaria. Inspite of these political differences, both groups, including those who advocated an independent macedonian state and opposed the idea of a greater bulgaria, never seem to have doubted "the predominantly bulgarian character of the population of Macedonia". Even Gotse Delchev, the famous Macedonian revolutionary leader, whose nom de guerre was Ahil (achilles), refers to "the slavs of macadonia as 'Bulgarians' in an offhanded manner without seeming to indicate that such a designation was a point of contention". In his correspondence Gotse Delchev often states clearly and simply "we are bulgarians".

 

[DejaVu]

Repost again you dont care about reading only care for questions.


It is less known that the Ottomans were dividing the Population by their Religious affiliation, not Ethncity. So the Greeks are the Patriarchist affiliated Population, Bulgarians are the Exarchat affiliated Population, Jews are the Hebrew affiliated Population etc.

The League of the Nations had not visited Aegean Macedonia and did not participate at all in conducting these statistics. Greece here refers to the Macedonians as "bulgarisants", which means "those who pretend to be Bulgarians" and obviously non-Bulgarians. However, Greece uses many other names in falsifying the identity of the Macedonians. Slavophones, Slav Macedonians, Makedoslavs, Slav Greeks, and Bulgarisants, are only some of the names that prove Greece's unpreparess in this mean falsification of the Macedonian people and language.
Greek, Bulgarian, and Serbian Statistics of Macedonia's Population
The new independent Balkan states used their Churches and schools to propagate how the Macedonians do not exist, and how Macedonia was populated only by Greeks, Bulgarians, and Serbs. Ethnographers, historians, and writers begun writing books in favor of this or that propaganda. Many of them did not even visit Macedonia, while those who did already had a written scenario. Their presence there was only a simple formality.
Yet the term "Macedonian Slavs" is erroneous since the Macedonians, although conscious of their ancient Macedonian roots and Slav admixture, did not specifically call themselves "Macedonians Slavs", but Macedonians as the documents over the last 2,500 years show.
according to the neutral authors also aligns with the numbers given by the Serb and Bulgarian authors. This is a proof that the Greeks before the partition of Macedonia, were indeed a small minority, only 10% from the total population. This fact certainly does not give them the copyright of the name Macedonia. Dr. Ostreich, Gersin, and Roussos, are only a few of the many neutral authors to prove the groundless speculations of the Balkan counties. They proved that Macedonia belongs to a separate nation, which proves that the Bulgarians and the Serbs have than simply substituted the numbers of the Macedonians for theirs. Another Austrian, Karl Hron explained why that is unjustified:
"According to my own studies on the Serb-Bulgarian conflict I came to the conclusion that the Macedonians looking at their history and language are a separate nation, which means they are not Serbs nor Bulgarians, but the descendants of those Slavs who populated the Balkan peninsula long before the Serb and Bulgarian invasions, and who later did not mix with any of those other two nations..." and:
"... the Macedonian language according to its own laws in the development of the voices, and its own grammatical rules, forms one separate language".
There were even Greek and Bulgarian writers to support what Karl Hron has written. One such example is the Bulgarian slavist and ethnographer P. Draganov, who in his studies of 1887-1894 and 1903, proved the existence of the Macedonians and the Macedonian language as a distinct language.
At the time of the emergence of the so-called Macedonian question, and the aspirations of the Macedonian neighbors for occupation of the country, the famous Macedonian Gjorgi Pulevski wrote in 1875:
"People who originate from one and the same race, speak the same language, live together in harmony, and have the same customs, songs and mentality, constitute a nation, and the place where they live is their homeland. In this way, the Macedonians are a nation and their homeland is Macedonia" and,
"I am not Bulgarian, nor Greek, nor Tzintzar, I am pure Macedonian as were Philip and Alexander the Macedonian and Aristotle Philosopher"
Pulevski was right back in 1875. He was proud Macedonian of his ancient heritage, conscious, and aware that the Macedonians were a distinct nation, a fact that the documents of the last 25 centuries clearly show.

The usage of Macedonian and Macedonia separate from Greek or Bulgarian and Greece or Bulgaria is more than obvious. Also these sources are objective, old and clear, and do not offer any further interpretation; that is how they prove the existence of the Macedonians as a Nation with this name in this region, separate from the Greeks and Bulgarians in many ways. The fact that old documents call these people Macedonians shows that the Macedonians aren't an artificial creation, but a nation with a homeland and a name-Macedonia and Macedonians.
For shorter and better review of the use and meaning of the term "Bulgarian" starting from the 10th century and especially during the Turkish domination of the Balkans will consider several referential examples that testify against Bulgarian Nationalist doctrine.

According to the Bulgarian historiography all mentions,and very often wrong, with this name which is for her a fateful moment, that this is them - Bulgarians.

“Bulgarian elite had to invent, elaborate and underpin a myth of common ancestry and made this pedigree putative for the sense of ethnic identification.”
- (Smith, Anthony. "National Identity" published in London 1991, p. 22)

A.Todorov-Balan in his "One Macedonian theory”, book 9-10, Sofia, 1905, 818, states that in the XIX century the Balkan peoples,called the Russian czar -" Bulgarian Tsar "and the Serbian and Russian language - "Bulgarian".

The term "Bulgarian” during the Ottoman rule denoted – a peasant farmer.

While the "Grecian" denoted a person of higher class or merchant.

"During the Ottoman period, therefore, terms like 'Greek' or 'Bulgarian' were not used to designate different ethnic or national groups, but rather broad socio-cultural categories" (Danforth 1995:59)
- (Mirca Madianou , “Mediating the Nation“, p. 30, is Lecturer and Director of Studies in Social and Political Sciences, Lucy Cavendish College, University of Cambridge)

"The term "Bulgarian," which had earlier been used to refer to all the Slavs of the Ottoman Empire (Friedman 1975:84), or as a virtual synonym for "peasant" without any political significance at all came to mean "Bulgarian" in a national sense. "(Wilkinson 1951:149),
- (Loring M. Danforth „The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World Princeton University Press, 1997, p. 59)

“ For example, in Macedonia, Serbia and Bulgaria, class and ethnicity overlapped, resulting in the utilization of the terms “Serb” and “Bulgar” to denote the peasantry per se. Since most peasants were Slavs and most Slavs were peasants, class distinctions often became ethnic distinctions ( Slijepcevic 1958, 82-96; Kofos 1964; Vermulen 1984; Shashko 1973).
When the Slavs moved into the urban world or became members of the middle classes, they generally shifted their identity to Greek. In Belgrade, for example, Serbian townsmen dressed in the Greek style, the Belgrade newspapers included the rubric Greciia (Greece), and the local Christian “higher strata” were Grecophone until 1840 – according to Stoianovich 1994, 294; and Karanovich 1995, 31.
In Southern Albania and Greece during the late eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, thousands of Orthodox Albanians and Vlachs became completely Hellenized ( Skendi 1980, 187-204)”.
- (Victor Roudometof “Nationalism,Orthodoxy, and Globalization”p. 48)


We are witnesses of the phenomenon of “ethnicization” of the religious, social or occupational groups in Balkans, very often these groups were denoted by the names of ethnic communities and they used these names to denote themselves as well.

The term "Grecian" could mean "an Orthodox Christian," but also "reseller" or generally "well situated" citizen. in the same way, "Turk" most marked "Muslim" and "Bulgarian" was a highlight, "villager", with or without an offensive meaning. "Vlach" and marked "shepherd" or "nomads" in general. "Albanian" (arnautin) could be applied to a man from each ethnic group who performed certain military tasks
The term “Grecian” could mean “Orthodox Christian” but also a “city dweller” or gennerally “well to do citizen”. In the same way,”Turk” often meant “Muslim”, with “Bulgarian” to denote a “villager”, with ot without pejorative connotation. “Vlach” could mean “shepherd” or “nomad” in general.”Albanian” (arnautin) could apply to a person of any ethnic origin performing specific military tasks
- (Dēmētrēs Tziovas , „Greece and the Balkans“ p. 43)


According the references of Prof. Keith Brown, “Turk” implied official persona – functionary, “Grecian” meant – merchant, “Bulgarian” – villager, farmer and “Vlach” – shepherd, rancher.
“When the Macedonian peasants use the term Bulgar, they mean by it: 1) people of a simple and hard-working life, 2) the bulk of simple labourers who speak Slavic, in contrast to the non-Slavs, the Greeks and the Turks, who are above this majority and consider them inferior. The first meaning is the main one: the word “Bulgar” denotes in the first case a simple mode of life, work and thought.”
- (Keith Brown, „The Past in Question, modern Macedonia and the Uncertainties of Nation“, p. 59)

Habsburg authorities in Transylvania, tended to call all members of Orthodox merchant companies “Greeks”, irrespective thet they included not only Slavs, Romanians, and Christian Albanians, but also a sprinkle of Armenians and Jews. Western travelers in Macedonia, quickly realized that the term “Bulgarian” was locally used to describe poor Slav peasants.
- (Katerina Zacharia и Dimitris Livianos „ Hellenisms: culture, identity, and ethnicity from antiquity to modernity“, p. 249)

“In Macedonia, as late as the early twentieth century, both “Greeks” and “Bulgarian: denoted professions, the later often being applied to poor, Slavic-speaking, Orthodoc Christian peasants, shepherds, or laborers of lower social status to whom were ascribed a “peasant” culture.”
- ( Peter Mackridge, „Language and National Identity in Greece, 1766 – 1976“)

Trajan Stojanović in his book "Balkan Worlds: The First and Last Europe", p.143 again underlines that the term "Bulgarians" were called the farmers and with "Vlachs" the shepherds.

The Bulgarian member of the Bulgarian Academy of Sciences Vasil Drumev wrote: "And we've began to learn Greek, to speak in Greek, to call ourselves Greeks. And there is still among us respected Bulgarians, who are grecoficating, who speak .. in Greek, who hate the Bulgarians.”

K. Irachek in - "History of Bulgarians”, Sofia, 1929, 385-386, says that the citizens for the simple, uneducated provincials (peasants) always used the name - "Bulgarians" by adding the obligatory – thick headed, *****, stumps and other abusive words.

The Traveler Sir John Mandeville, in1357 travelling throught Balkans wrote that Serbia is land of Bougiers, while Blegrade in that time was known by the name “Alba Graeca” and “Alba Bulgarica”.

Simeon Lehaci in his journey memories wrote that all the people in Bosnia speaks in "Bulgarian", and they were "Greeks" in religion.


“All peasants were Macedonians; shepherds were Vlachs; merchants and bureaucrats were Greeks; and the high administrators were Muslims.”- (“Minorities and mother country imagery” By Gerald L. Gold, Memorial University of Newfoundland. Institute of Social and Economic Research, p. 60.)

Prof. Stilpon Kyriakidis in the “Northern ethnological frontiers of Hellenism ", on p.39:
"While at the time of Simeon did not cease to differ Dragovites from Strumianites and generally Sclavinians from Bulgarians, since Samuel the name of Sclavinias completely disappeared, and all Macedonian Slavs are called Bulgarians by the Byzantines and the country that Samuel ruled, that is western and northern Macedonia is called Bulgaria. In this way, we ourselves gave the name Bulgarian to everyone that speaks Slavic ".

The propaganda consisted of introducing among the common Slavic people the world “Bolgar”, as a synonym for “Slavonic Christian”; As this propaganda was so strong, really the word “Bolgar” became a synonym for “Christian that speak Slavonic” in the 19 Cent., but not and nationality.
When bulgarian peasant used to say "we are Bulgars", he meant "we are Christians", i.e. Orthodox (Periodichesko spisanie (Sofia), LXV (1904), p.818)

Another indisputable proof that the “Bulgarian” at that time meant Slav, and then "Bulgarians" thought of themselves as pure Slavs, the same people with the Serbs and the Macedonians and Illyrians (Croats, Slovenes and Montenegrins) presents "The History of Bulgarian people " by Fr. Spiridon of Gabrovo, which in its short history says:

"Bolgarians came into rule in Thrace, Macedonia, Dalmatia, White Sea and the Rome... Illyrians (Serbs and Croats, my note) are called Bolgarians... and from Bolgarians originated the Serbs, and when Alexander took the whole Ilyrian army to conquer of the world ... since then Bolgarians began to call themselves Macedonians and Slavs "
- (Spyridon Yeroschimonach, History in short of Bolgarian Slav nation 1792, tran. B. Hristova, prof. Raikov B., BAK at NB “Ss.Cyril and Methodius ", and" GAL-ICO, Sofia, 1992)

Jordan Hadzhikonstantinov - Dzinot, tells that for him the term Bulgarians means Slavs, so in his "Legend of Thessaloniki," published in 1859 says St. Cyril and Methodius, the apostles of all Bulgarians (Slavs), and in Bulgarians includes the Moravians from Great Moravia and Pannonia (Glasnik drustva srpske slovenosti, VIII, p. 146-147)

Krste Petkov Misirkov explains the concept “Bulgarian”: "The Greeks also did not differ the Slavic nations and all Slavs ... called with the despised name "Bulgarians"
... The Greeks used the name Bulgarian to incarnate in him their contempt for everything Slavic. .. With the name Bulgarians, we Macedonians were christen by the Greeks,as well. But this re-christening was not the only one... “ (Krste Petkov Misirkov "On Macedonian Matters" Preface, Sofia, Printing House of the Liberal Club, 1903).

For Mr. Gennady, Metropolitan of Veles in 19th century ( born in the village Podkozhene, Podgradec) the concept “Bulgarian” is the same with the term Slavs, and he wrote that the Czechs and Slovakians are Bulgarians: “ of Bohemia and Moravia they are all Slavs, pure Bulgarians, our brothers” (Source: Simeon Radev “ Early memories”, titled “Meeting of four Bulgarian bishops” new, revised and expanded edition, edited by Trajan Radev, publishing house “Strelec”, Sofia, 1994)

Macedonian teacher Nikola Pop-Philipov, says that "Bulgarian" language is a general Balkan language (newspaper "Macedonia" Constantinople, April 6, 1868), referring to the Slavic language.

Grigor Prlicev writes in his autobiography: “... the Bulgarian alphabet only to three was known and was called Serbian..” (Grigor Prlicev, Autobigraphy). For him and the Serbians were Bulgarians i.e. Slavs; at that time, only Serbs had reformed and codified Slavic alphabet, and because of it Prlicev says that the Bulgarian (Slavonic) alphabet was called Serbian.

The famous Macedonian textbook writer Dimitar Macedonian sees its people as ancient Macedonians, and in one of his article writes that the ancient Macedonians are not swallowed by the earth, but are pure Slavs: "... Macedonians are not Vlachs or some other nation, but pure Bulgarians (thinking of Slavs) ... therefore you’ll learn that the Macedonians are not lost from the face of the earth, as some allow to say, because, as far as we know, they did not done anything so bad, what should open the earth to swallow them. "(see Makedonia of 16/02/1871).

In its “Brief holy history for the schools in Macedonia (in Macedonian dialect) printed in “ The printing of Macedonia”, Constantinople in 1867, writes:
Q.[Question] Who are those Bulgarians(Slavs), who were baptized in the early first century after Christ’s birth?
A.[Answer] They are Bulgarians who live in Macedonia
Q. From whom are they baptized?
A. The Apostle Paul, who first preached at Philippi and Thessaloniki

It becomes obvious that under the umbrella of the term "Bulgarians" also enter the ancient Macedonians, who were first baptized by the Apostle Paul, whole 5 centuries before the ethnic name "Bulgarians" to appear on the Balkans at all and generally European geographic regions.

Next reference is the book of Mark Mazower “Salonica City of Ghosts” p.249, who writes about the visit of Sir Henry Layards of Thessaloniki, and here’s what he means under these terms:
To be a “Greek” meant to be a “Orthodox Christian” while under the term “Bulgarian” was held to be one of reproach and contempt.

Not last confirmation, but sufficient for completion of this reference overview of the meaning of these terms, according to the book of Nace Dimov “Historical line of Macedonia and Macedonian Slavs” Chapter first p.13-15, from 1913:

”Therefore, in Macedonia there was such a position that the same Macedonian nation was called Grecian, Serbian and Bulgarian, just because one recognizes the Greek patriarch and pray in Greek churches, and another goes into a Slavic church. In each the same towns and villages the priests that receive a salary of Bulgarian Exarchate call themselves Bulgarians, those receiving the salary from the Serbian Diocese called themselves Serb and Macedonian Slav population that goes into one or another school or church calling itself Grecian, Serb or Bulgarian

From all that I expressed I can say that the Macedonians have a hundred percent right to autonomy and not be subjected to fragmentation among Greeks, Serbs and Bulgarians. Regardless of that the Serbian, Greek and Bulgarian government, for extending their boundaries on Macedonian territory, without saving money and exterminating the Macedonians who do not want to call themselves Greek, Serb and Bulgarian and those who do not know how to speak Serbian and Greek.”