Macedonians

It`s an Wikipedia map based on a reconstruction of the 3rd millennium BC "Proto-Greek area", by Vladimir I. Georgiev.
Georgiev had many strange theories. Nobody take seriously his theories, only the greek "experts" of Wiki and of course the internet trollls.

Georgiev and Duridanov are 2 of top for paleobalkan languages,
If it does not fit to your imaginary theories,
that does not mean they were crap,

INSTEAD,
same theories also share
Gray Atkinson Greenhill a group famous for glottochronology
Vladimir Georgiev
Garcia Ramon
Hooker who specialized in Mycenean world
etc
only the Albanian deny them, as also deny Polome, Matzinzer, etc
cause they don't fit in their supreme cosmogenesis.

THE ONLY STRANGE IDEAS ARE THE ONES I READ HERE,
LIKE MYCENEANS SACKED BY ILLYRIANS WHO WERE THE SEA PEOPLES
ETC ETC,

offcourse as always by the same members,
who happen to have something common
 
Your map even if it's true, is of third millennium. Macedonians, to whom we are talking about are an ethnic entity living during the iron age, 500bce. I don't see any connection

Offcourse,

you made sea peoples Illyrians or oposite
you made Hellenistic culture pre-Makedonian, which affect Makedonians, who created hellenistic world !!!!,

Now you make Makedonian and NW Dialects foreign to area they born !!!!!
I wonder how you think,
First you tell us Makedonian were Myceneans,
Destroyed by Illyrians sea peoples,
but reborn,
affected by the later of them, Hellenistic culture, which they create,
sounds like a fictional story,
A travel in time,
it would be a nice movie, better than Star Wars.




Next what ?

be serious.


look what you write


Yes. The Mycenaean civilization did crumble, but they did not disappeared. The cradle of Hellenistic civilization was Attic/Ionic , which was born from the ashes of the Mycenaean civilization. The official language during Philip II and Alexander the great was Attic/Ionic. Why you think was that? It was because it had a higher status. Athenians always claimed a true Ionic origin for themselves without any Dorian influence. They saw Dorians nearly as barbarians. Indeed Dorians were barbarians whom got civilized through time.


simply make up your mind,

what connection have Myceneans with Ionians?
Where do you read such things?

Hellenistic is culture of Diadochoi,
only language is based on Attic Dialect,
affected with a lot of Makedonian aspirations
and makes Koine,


You are not to be taken serious.





 
Your map even if it's true, is of third millennium. Macedonians, to whom we are talking about are an ethnic entity living during the iron age, 500bce. I don't see any connection

He is shocked to hear other sides of history!!? Completely petrified by his governments propaganda! I am amazed by your patience!
 
Mycenaeanization of Makedonia :petrified: :petrified: :petrified:

anyway, I suggest you a book,
read it to understand, and solve your questions.

and NO
you can not elaborate 'Illyrian' tumuli from West to East, but from East to West.

anyway when you make up your mind who were Illyrians, Makedonians, Myceneans, Thracians Yamnaa,
and what time was each, come back,
At least read the book of Giannopoulos, the Cetina's the Cotofeni, the Myceneans etc
It is in harmony with steppe theory,

Vucedol-Vatin etc is a point of entry, but also a point of exit,

suggest you to study this map
and realize that Myceneans are not the only Greeks neither the proto-Greeks

300px-Proto_Greek_Area_reconstruction.png

https://www.researchgate.net/profil...acedonia-Greece.pdf?origin=publication_detail

Mycenaeanization of Macedonia is a term used in the research above
By Paraskevi Voula Tritsaroli (January 2017)
The Pigi Athinas tumuli cemetery of macedonian olympus: Burial customs and the bioarchaeology of social structures at the dawn of the late Bronze Age, central Macedonia, Greece
page 228

Again for the members of this forum Mycenaean (Greek speakers Linear B 1450 BC) related to Seima -Turbino Culture. While Kurgan culture, tumulus was presented in Macedonia and Epirus by 1500 BC . If Kurgan People are the same with Seima -Turbino Culture than I rest my case, but show me academic research for that.



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https://www.researchgate.net/profil...acedonia-Greece.pdf?origin=publication_detail

Mycenaeanization of Macedonia is a term used in the research above
By Paraskevi Voula Tritsaroli (January 2017)
The Pigi Athinas tumuli cemetery of macedonian olympus: Burial customs and the bioarchaeology of social structures at the dawn of the late Bronze Age, central Macedonia, Greece
page 228

Again for the members of this forum Mycenaean (Greek speakers Linear B 1450 BC) related to Seima -Turbino Culture. While Kurgan culture, tumulus was presented in Macedonia and Epirus by 1500 BC . If Kurgan People are the same with Seima -Turbino Culture than I rest my case, but show me academic research for that.



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THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,

HOW SIMPLE IT IS,

300px-Proto_Greek_Area_reconstruction.png



Mycenaean_World_en.png




HOW MORE SIMPLE CAN NOT BE

ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

Your Answer is There,






 
THIS IS YOUR ANSWER,

HOW SIMPLE IT IS,

300px-Proto_Greek_Area_reconstruction.png



Mycenaean_World_en.png




HOW MORE SIMPLE CAN NOT BE

ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

Your Answer is There,







Nice photo but this is not facebook..:: I do not understand all this huff and puff from your side since you agree with me that Kurgan does not fit with Greece. IMG_3243.jpg


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Nice photo but this is not facebook..:: I do not understand all this huff and puff from your side since you agree with me that Kurgan does not fit with Greece. View attachment 10999


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Don't put words in my mouth
how typical of a propaganda lie

Read this

ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

and this

330px-Bin_Tepe%2C_large_tumulus.jpg



The Brygian Tumuli in Lydia,
Brygians were next door people of Makedonians
and Used Tumulus also, in Greek Τυμβος Τουμπα Tymbos Toumba

Πηγη Αρτεμιδος Pigi Artmemidos
Same things there also, Both burial buildings,

Athens The Tumuli of the Marathon Warriors.
1280px-Tumulusmarathon.JPG


WHAT NOW, Marathon warriors tomb is Tumuli,
IS THAT ILLYRIAN MARK TO YOU? ATHENEANS WERE ILLYRIANS CAUSED OF TUMULI USAGE?







And special to you
HOMERS ILLIAD
The Most known Mycenean world descriptions
the most vivid Mycenean word culture,
All we need to know about Myceneans


The Funeral ritual of Patroklos is according Tumulus
SO MYCENEANS KNEW TUMULUS.
in fact in Pigi Artemidos are each next to other.

Now Go and find and read ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

Btw
The city of Orpheas the Thracian Λειβηθρα of the Thracian tribe Pieroi, Leivethra is about 10 Km North of the place you describe.
the Mycenean dwellings are 5 km North,
and the is an arque about the Herakleides town Ηρακλεια, which is for other the Mycenean dwellings
or more North about 17 km

What is so strange to you?

that Myceneans knew and used Tumuli?
That Brygians also knew Tumuli?
That Makedonians use both types for Burial customs?
or that Makedonians and Brygians lived side by side?

Period
better ask for your shelf, to forgive you, and then go to a pychologist for empathy with 'Illyromania'

Bye bye,
nor Greeks, nor Illyrians, nor Thracians, create world, or language,

to you

WvPVD1f.png


Notice it,
and compare it with this


300px-Proto_Greek_Area_reconstruction.png




FIT PERFECT.



You have to understand

1) that Makedonians assimilated the remnants of Bryges,
while the last of them were the Mygdonians.

2) Proto-greek evolute to NW Greek dialects as called and are primitive forms closer to LPIE
notice primitive Διος to Θεος, Βερενικα instead Φερενικη etc
before go to South Greece, and return back as Attic to make Koine in Makedonia and expand to Hellenistic
the term Dios Dias has no meaning in koine, due to evolute to Theos but means God in NW dialects, one of them Makedonian,






 
Again for the members of this forum Mycenaean (Greek speakers Linear B 1450 BC) related to Seima -Turbino Culture.

What do you mean? can you tell me more specifically?

I knew the SM culture reached Balkan area, but Mycenaean. And the SM culture expanded into iberia and british isle late bronze age.

My only clue is there shield shape is similar to artifact of copper hoard in india, which I think originated in the SM.
looks like they have one long braid like Aryan.

Hirschfeld_Workshop_Terracotta_Krater_ca_750-735_bce_by_alkalisoaps_on_flickr.png

Ind_cu_hoard_groups.svg
 
Again we are at 1,500 BC
 

Don't put words in my mouth
how typical of a propaganda lie

Read this

ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

and this

330px-Bin_Tepe%2C_large_tumulus.jpg



The Brygian Tumuli in Lydia,
Brygians were next door people of Makedonians
and Used Tumulus also, in Greek Τυμβος Τουμπα Tymbos Toumba

Πηγη Αρτεμιδος Pigi Artmemidos
Same things there also, Both burial buildings,

Athens The Tumuli of the Marathon Warriors.
1280px-Tumulusmarathon.JPG


WHAT NOW, Marathon warriors tomb is Tumuli,
IS THAT ILLYRIAN MARK TO YOU? ATHENEANS WERE ILLYRIANS CAUSED OF TUMULI USAGE?







And special to you
HOMERS ILLIAD
The Most known Mycenean world descriptions
the most vivid Mycenean word culture,
All we need to know about Myceneans


The Funeral ritual of Patroklos is according Tumulus
SO MYCENEANS KNEW TUMULUS.
in fact in Pigi Artemidos are each next to other.

Now Go and find and read ISBN-13 978 960 524 3937

Btw
The city of Orpheas the Thracian Λειβηθρα of the Thracian tribe Pieroi, Leivethra is about 10 Km North of the place you describe.
the Mycenean dwellings are 5 km North,
and the is an arque about the Herakleides town Ηρακλεια, which is for other the Mycenean dwellings
or more North about 17 km

What is so strange to you?

that Myceneans knew and used Tumuli?
That Brygians also knew Tumuli?
That Makedonians use both types for Burial customs?
or that Makedonians and Brygians lived side by side?

Period
better ask for your shelf, to forgive you, and then go to a pychologist for empathy with 'Illyromania'

Bye bye,
nor Greeks, nor Illyrians, nor Thracians, create world, or language,

to you

WvPVD1f.png


Notice it,
and compare it with this


300px-Proto_Greek_Area_reconstruction.png




FIT PERFECT.



You have to understand

1) that Makedonians assimilated the remnants of Bryges,
while the last of them were the Mygdonians.

2) Proto-greek evolute to NW Greek dialects as called and are primitive forms closer to LPIE
notice primitive Διος to Θεος, Βερενικα instead Φερενικη etc
before go to South Greece, and return back as Attic to make Koine in Makedonia and expand to Hellenistic
the term Dios Dias has no meaning in koine, due to evolute to Theos but means God in NW dialects, one of them Makedonian,








No one wants to put anything on your mouth. You said this right, or deny it if you want , people change their mind all the time.

IMG_3243.jpg

Again we are at 1,500 B.C
Show me academic research that relates tumulus burial to Mycenaean on this time or before that in Greece. Properly reference name of the scientist name of the scientific article and page. No need for photos and videos this is not Facebook or instagram.


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I mean this :
Greek Branch of R1a
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#Greek


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hm

Now from the Illyrian marks of your opinion?
to Seima Turbino and Tumuli Stepe or Illyrian
we went to R1a ?

So IF YOUR OPINION IS CORRECT, About Illyrian Tumuli on Makedonia
THEN WHAT? R1a is ILLYRIAN MARK?

you learn to sneak well,


LOOK what you write.

[B said:
blevins13[/B];574579]Tumulus burial (generally accepted as marker of Illyrians) in Macedonia close to Mount Olympus before Mycenaean expansion.

From that you went to Seima Turbino
and now to R1a


Sneaking to hide!!!!
avoid answer, via attacking policy,
typical propaganda train and step by step on the books of
Arthur Schopenhauer .
easy recognised tactics for spreading mud, when you don't have right on your side.

HOMER ILLIAD,
MYCENEAN USED TUMULI
PATROKLOS FUNERAL


 
No one wants to put anything on your mouth. You said this right, or deny it if you want , people change their mind all the time.

View attachment 11002

Again we are at 1,500 B.C
Show me academic research that relates tumulus burial to Mycenaean on this time or before that in Greece. Properly reference name of the scientist name of the scientific article and page. No need for photos and videos this is not Facebook or instagram.


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Yes you do

NO NEED TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING,

HOMER IN HIS ILIAD IS CLEAR,

AS ALSO THE TOMB OF MARATHON WARRIORS


Now go back and realize what you see, what you read, and what you post
and then to a psycologist for Illyromania.

and before you do these,

find out how Vucedol-Vatin worked on IE split of languages, groups etc
you can read it in ISBN 978 960 524 3937,

No matter I have some precautions about due to arque with steppe primary origin of IE language
if you are following Antony's etc steppe thery, then fits perfect to explain your 'questions'
 
Nice photo but this is not facebook..:: I do not understand all this huff and puff from your side since you agree with me that Kurgan does not fit with Greece. View attachment 10999


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Hemmm, Interesting!!!

BTW, blevin, AFTER YOU POST AN ATTACHMENT, open the image in a new page then edit the post and insert the image following the normale procedure:
attachment.php

You see?

:16::25::16::25:
 
Yes you do

NO NEED TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING,

HOMER IN HIS ILIAD IS CLEAR,

AS ALSO THE TOMB OF MARATHON WARRIORS


Now go back and realize what you see, what you read, and what you post
and then to a psycologist for Illyromania.

Again I repeat it I don’t want to put anything on your mouth [emoji105].

Even Hammond would not dare to say that Patroclus was Mycenaean.

Post academic research were they say that Patroclus was Mycenaean. Now we are at 1200 BC.


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Again I repeat it I don’t want to put anything on your mouth [emoji105].

Even Hammond would not dare to say that Patroclus was Mycenaean.

Post academic research were they say that Patroclus was Mycenaean. Now we are at 1200 BC.


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so at Troyan war, were not the Myceneans?
 
Yes you do

NO NEED TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING,

HOMER IN HIS ILIAD IS CLEAR,

AS ALSO THE TOMB OF MARATHON WARRIORS


Now go back and realize what you see, what you read, and what you post
and then to a psycologist for Illyromania.

and before you do these,

find out how Vucedol-Vatin worked on IE split of languages, groups etc
you can read it in ISBN 978 960 524 3937,

No matter I have some precautions about due to arque with steppe primary origin of IE language
if you are following Antony's etc steppe thery, then fits perfect to explain your 'questions'

Tumulus-burial in Albania and problems of Ethnogenesis
Iliria Année 1976 4 pp. 127-132
Nicholas G. L. Hammond

Tumulus burial ceased in Mycenaean Greece before 1400 b.c., yet when Achilles honours Patroclus in Iliad he uses a method of burial than used only in Albania and farther north. It is likely that Homer here reveals the origins of heroic practice, and very probably the origin of oral epic. The dramatic date of the poem was 200 years after the end of tumulus burial in Mycenaean Greece and Homer himself lived 600 and 700 years after that time. But he went correctly to the north-west for the origin of Achilles, tumulus burial and heroic practices. For Albania was and is the homeland of heroes.


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:unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:

hemmm, interesting!!!

btw, blevin, after you post an attachment, open the image in a new page then edit the post and insert the image following the normale procedure:
attachment.php

you see?

:16::25::16::25:



yes indeed,

the most strong papper of anatolian farmers of colin Renfrew is Greece,
and also the most strange,
the lowest steppe admixture, yet deep ie,
and no one can explained it,

yet according the theories,
Renfrew fits most.

Rejecting Renfrew
then is south caucasos origin theories

Rejectin S Caucas
it is the Yamnaa expand and Vucedol-Vatin

All 3 theories fit,
yet the genetics show Renfrew fits better


what is your problem?
AND WHAT YOU WANT TO PROVE?

Especially someone who the most high Altaic component in Europe.
:grin:





AT LEAST CAN YOU EXPLAIN/SOLVE THE PROBLEM?
OR CAN YOU GIVE US AN ANSWER,
ACCORDING THE THEORY YOU ACCEPT?
Guess Not,
Only spam crap.

:unsure: :unsure: :unsure:



BE HONEST TO YOUR SHELF ONCE
and tell us
what theory fits to a polulation of 10-15% Steppe,
but deep IE?
instead of spaming Illyromania crap


 

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