Macedonians

The Existence of a Macedonian Minority in Greece!


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1.8% ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
1.5% Albanians in Greece.
1.4% Turks in Greece.
0.9% Pomaks in Greece.
0.9% Roms (Gypsies) in Greece.
3.1% Other nationality in Greece.
90.4% Greeks in Greece.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greece
And this are the statistics in Wikipedia.
93.8% Greek,
4.3% Albanian,
1.9% others
 
before you mention bible
read again and again the original
it is written in greeks
and says in fillipi and thesaloniki they stayed among greeks
meaning that makedonia and greeks are the same

read bible carefully
 
first the city names

acts 16 11 Neapolis-> newcity
acts 15 11 samothrce
acts 15 12 Philippoi
acts 17 1 Amfipolis
acts 17 1 Apollonia
acts 17 1 Thessaloniki not Solunu you ......
acts 17 13 Beroia


now 2nd lets see people names

Lydia and Jason both Greek Names


and finnaly WHO ARE THE MAKEDONIANS

ACTS 17 12 THE VIP OF GREEK WOMAN, AND FROM GREEK MAN NOT A FEW

SO IN MAKEDONIA ACCORDING TO PAUL LIVE THE GREEKS

MORE????

ACTS 20 1,2 HE WENT OUT TO MAKEDONIA, SO HE ENTERED GREECE, SO MAKEDONIA IS GREEK
ACTS 20 21 TO JUDIANS AND GREEKS (MAKEDONIA CITIZENS)


WHAT ELSE YOUR PROPAGANDA SPEAK
YOU SAY PAUL SHOW A MAN MAKEDON AND CLAIM MAKEDONIA IS NOT GREEK
AND BEHIND SAYS THAT THAT MAKEDONIA DWELT BY GREEKS
SO YOU TAKE ONLY HALF AND MAKE SPAM AND YOU DONT ALL BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS AGAINST YOU
I LEAVE THE OTHERS OF THE FORUM TO JUDGE YOU
SPAMMER

BESIDES HE WENT O THESSALONIKI NOT SOLUNU NOT SKOPJE
CAUSE IF WANTED TO GO THERE, PAUL PROBABLY SHOULD SEEN A SLAV MAN TO CALL HIM TO GO TO SKOPJE,
hAHAHAHAHA
YOUR PROPAGANDA IS JUST A HOAX WITH NO BASIS
YOU TELL ALWAYS THE HALF TRUE AND DIVERSE IT TO LIE,
AND WHEN THE TRUTH REVIELS THEN YOU STOP AND YOU JUMP TO ANOTHER LIE
hAHAHAHAHAHA

BESIDES LOOK AT STRABO

ΕΣΤΙΝ ΟΥΝ ΕΛΛΑΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ

ACCEPT IT MAKEDONIA EPIROS CRETE PELOPONESE STEREA CYPRUS ARE PARTS OF GREEK NATION
AS BAYERN IS A PART OF GERMANY
AS LOMBARDIA OF ITALY
AS BRETAGNE OF FRANCE

GREECE HAD ALSO OTHER PARTS THAT TODAY BELONG TO OTHERS
LIKE MAGNA GRECIA (SOUTH ITALY AND SICILY)
IONIA (MINOR ASIA)
THRACE AND WEST BLACK SEA
AND PONTUS SOUTH BLACK SEA

EVEN TODAY LIVE GREEKS THERE BUT THAT AREAS ARE LOST
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Apostle
Paul the Apostle, also called the Apostle Paul, Paul of Tarsus, and Saint Paul, (Ancient Greek: Σαούλ (Saul), Σαῦλος (Saulos), and Παῦλος (Paulos); Latin: Paulus or Paullus; Hebrew: שאול התרסי‎ Šaʾul HaTarsi (Saul of Tarsus) (c. 5 - c. 67 ), was of the tribe of Benjamin. He was a zealous Jew, who persecuted the early followers of Jesus Christ. However after his "Resurrection experience", he began calling himself a Christian and referred to himself as the "Apostle to the Gentiles".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki (Greek: Θεσσαλονίκη, IPA: [θesaloˈnici]), Thessalonica or Salonica is the second-largest city in Greece and the capital of the region of Macedonia. Its honorific title is Συμπρωτεύουσα (Symprotévousa), literally "co-capital", a reference to its historical status as the Συμβασιλεύουσα (Symvasilévousa) or "co-reigning" city of the Byzantine Empire, alongside Constantinople.
The city was founded around 315 BC by the King Cassander of Macedon, on or near the site of the ancient town of Therma and 26 other local villages. He named it after his wife Thessalonike, a half-sister of Alexander the Great (Thessalo-nikē means the "Thessalian victory") (See Battle of Crocus field). It was an autonomous part of the Kingdom of Macedon. After the fall of the kingdom of Macedon in 168 BC, Thessalonica became a city of the Roman Republic. It grew to be an important trade-hub located on the Via Egnatia; it facilitated trade between Europe and Asia. The city became the capital of one of the four Roman districts of Macedonia.


What people lived in Thessalonica when Paul the Apostle arrived there year (c. 5 - c. 67 )? Macedonians and maybe Romans, no others are mentioned there at that time. If Javans (Greeks) they mean Macedonians.
By the word “Javan” the Hebrews designate not only the Greeks but the: Macedonians, and the whole of that tract which is divided by the Hellespont, from Asia Minor as far as Illyricum.

There is two places mentioned Macedonia and Greece, why?
If its the same why mention Macedonia and Greece, instead of Greece only, was it not the same place?
Since when did the Ancient Macedonians get along with rest of the occupied Greeks (Greeks were occupied by Ancient Macedonians at that time before Romans conquered them).
 
BESIDES WHO CARES
TOMORROW YOU WILL BE KOSSYFO PEOPLE

YOU BELONG TO KOSSYFOPEDIO AS BEFORE
YOU ARE HALF ALBANIANS

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you are ignorant
new teastament was written in greek not hebrew

and names clearly that Makedonia ARE GREEKS , NOT JAVANS BUT HELLENES

ACTS 17 12

YOU SO IGNORANT THAT YOU INSIST THAT NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN IN HEBREW

OH NO I M MISTAKEN MAYBE NEW TESTAMENT WAS WRITTEN IN SLAVO-MAKEDONIAN

HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHA WHY CROATIA IS HRVATSKA AND DALMATIA?
DALMATIA IS NOT CROATIA?
WHY WE SAY BAYERN MUNCHEN
BAYERN IS NOT GERMANY?

HAHAHAHAHA
KEEP DREAMING

IT MENTIONS AREAS NOT NATIONS
PAUL IS MENTIONING AREAS NOT NATIONS
THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK
 
Mr. Exclusive fake Greek

Are you starting to lose yourself again? Are you on drugs?
Cant you understand what the sources are saying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament
The New Testament (Greek: Καινὴ Διαθήκη, Kainē Diathēkē) is the second major division of the Christian biblical canon, the first such division being the much longer Old Testament.
The common languages spoken by both Jews and Gentiles in the Holy Land at the time of Jesus were Aramaic, Koine Greek, and to a limited extent a colloquial dialect of Mishnaic Hebrew. All of the books that would eventually form the New Testament were written in Koine Greek, the vernacular dialect in the Roman provinces of the Eastern Mediterranean at the time. These books were later translated into other languages, most notably, Latin, Syriac, and Coptic. However, some of the Church Fathers imply or claim that Matthew was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic. Nevertheless, the Gospel of Matthew known today was composed in Greek and is neither directly dependent upon nor a translation of a text in a Semitic language, though the citation of texts from the Old Testament demonstrates that the author of the Gospel of Matthew did know Hebrew.

DOES NOT SAY IT WAS WRITTEN BY ANY GREEK (Koine was not exclusive for Greeks only).
SO STOP THE DRUGS AND BE NORMAL.
You win the price for the dumbest haplogroup G person on this forum.
 
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Relax
the ww1 is over
bulgaria has lost
tito is dead
and albanians are ready to claim tetovo to kossovo
soon you ll ask for a new id
 
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WANNA PLAY PATRIOT? IF YOU WANT TO PLAY STUPID THEN I HAVE TO BE ON YOUR LEVEL WHEN WE CONTINUE THE DISCUSSIONS, BECAUSE YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH.

Be ready to lose Macedonia in 2013 when 100 years are gone and the treaty ends.
Over 1 million Macedonians are waiting in your country, to kick your ass.
Albanians want Epirus back from your occupation so count about 1 more million that want their share back. And all other minority people who want their identity recognition. Not many Greeks left in the Fake Greek country.

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"Map of ethnical-geographical Macedonia, a territory that
was never Greek, Bulgarian, nor Serbian before 1913"​


UNITED MACEDONIA FOR THE MACEDONIANS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Bucharest_(1913)
SMRT ILI SLOBODA.


 
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OCCUPIED TERRITORIES

Map showing the original territory of the Kingdom of Greece as laid down in the Treaty of 1832 (in dark blue).

The consequences of the Greek revolution were somewhat ambiguous in the immediate aftermath. An independent Greek state had been established, but with Britain, Russia and France claiming a major role in Greek politics, an imported Bavarian dynast as ruler, and a mercenary army.[123] The country had been ravaged by ten years of fighting, was full of displaced refugees and empty Turkish estates, necessitating a series of land reforms over several decades.[30]
The population of the new state numbered 800,000, representing less than one-third of the 2.5 million Greek inhabitants of the Ottoman Empire. During a great part of the next century, the Greek state was to seek the liberation of the "unredeemed" Greeks of the Ottoman Empire, in accordance with the Megali Idea, i.e. the goal of uniting all Greeks in one country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megali_Idea
Megali Idea (modern Greek: ΜεγάληΙδέα, "Great Idea") was an irredentist concept of Greek nationalism that expressed the goal of establishing a Greek state that would encompass all ethnic Greeks, since large Greek populations after the Greek independence in 1832 still lived under the Ottoman rule.
The term appeared for the first time during the debates of Prime MinisterIoannis Kolettis with King Otto that preceded the promulgation of the 1844 constitution.[1] This was a visionary nationalist aspiration that was to dominate foreign relations and, to a significant extent, to determine the domestic politics of the Greek state for much of the first century of its independent existence. If the expression was new in 1844, the concept had roots in the Greek popular psyche, nurtured as it was by the prophecies and oracles that had kept alive, hopes of eventual liberation from Turkish rule.
Megali Idea implied the goal of reviving the Byzantine Empire by establishing a Greek state, which would be, as ancient geographer Strabo wrote, a Greek world encompassing mostly the former Byzantine lands from the Ionian Sea to Mikra Asia (Asia Minor) and Euxenus Pontus (Black Sea) to the east, and from Thrace, Macedonia and Epirus, north, to Crete and Cyprus to the south. This new state will have its capital in Constantinople.
The Megali Idea dominated the foreign policy and the domestic politics of Greece, from the War of Independence in the 1820s through the Balkan wars in the beginning of the twentieth century. It started to disappear after the defeat of Greece in the Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) and the Great Fire of Smyrna in 1922, followed by the exchange of population between Greece and Turkey in 1923.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(region)
Borders of Macedonia according to different authors (1843–1927)


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
William Ewart Gladstone FRS FSS (29 December 1809 – 19 May 1898) was a British Liberal statesman. In a career lasting over sixty years, he served as Prime Minister four times (1868–1874, 1880–1885, February–July 1886 and 1892–1894), more than any other person. Gladstone was 84 years old - still physically vigorous albeit with failing hearing and eyesight - when he resigned for the last time, making him Britain's oldest Prime Minister. He also served as Chancellor of the Exchequer four times (1853–1855, 1859–1866, 1873–1874, and 1880–1882).

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/William_Ewart_Gladstone
  • The hopelessness of the Turkish Government should make me witness with delight its being swept out of the countries which it tortures. Next to the Ottoman Government nothing can be more deplorable and blameworthy than jealousies between Greek and Slav and plans by the States already existing for appropriating other territory. Why not Macedonia for the Macedonians as well as Bulgaria for the Bulgarians and Serbia for the Serbians?
    • Letter quoted in The Times (London), Mr. Gladstone and The Balkan Confederation (1897-02-06).
 
At least i will die as my father Leonidas

come and get it

Μολων λαβε

2 000 000 Makedonians will await you 2013

No union with Slavs even if NATO wants it,


besiides tetovo to albania, kumanovo to serbia, strumnitsa to bulgaria
the end of the hoax

AND THE GREEK KIDS THAT TITO KIDNAPED BACK TO GREECE



TRUE MAKEDONIAN NATIONAL ANTHEM

ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ ΞΑΚΟΥΣΤΗ ΤΟΥ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ Η ΧΩΡΑ
OH FAMOUS MAKEDONIA, ALEXANDERS COUNTRY
ΠΟΥ ΕΔΙΩΞΕΣ ΤΟΥΣ ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ ΛΕΥΘΕΡΗ ΕΙΣΑΙ ΠΑΛΙ
YOU KICKED BACK BULGARIANS AND YOU ARE FREE AGAIN
ΗΣΟΥΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΑ ΣΑΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΤΟ ΚΑΜΑΡΙ
YOU WERE AND YOU WILL BE GREEK , THE PRIDE OF ALL GREEKS

I AM MAKEDONIAN ORIGINAL FROM BALLA PIERIA
I AM NOT A SLAV
I DONT CLAIM SKOPJE CAUSE ITS NOT MY LAND
STOP CLAIMING MY LAND MY NATIONALITY AND MY HISTORY AND IDENTITY

MY GRAND GRAND FATHER SUFFERED ENOUGH OF YOU,
HE FOUGHT YOU AT NAOUSA AND EDESSA LOST HIS FOOT
YOU TOOK 16 KIDS OF OUR VILLAGE AT 1948
NO MORE

IN THE BIBLE AT ACTS 17 12 SAYS THAT MAKEDONIA WAS INHABITED BY GREEKS

I COME FROM THE TRUE ANCIENT MAKEDONIA

NO TREATY WILL TELL ME WHO I AM
BESIDES I LIVE IN MY FATHERS LANDS


I DONT WANT TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WITH 4 NATIONS 3 RELIGIONS
GREEKS ALBANIANS SERBS AND BULGARIANS
ORTHODOX CATHOLIC AND MUSLIM
BESIDES THAT AREA OF VARDASKA IS NOT MY COUNTRY, AND NEVER WAS

LOOK CAREFULLY SKOPJE IS OUT
THAT IS MY COUNTRY AND LAND

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i said that new testament was written in Greek, and Lucas was a Greek
so the Acts of Apostols is tottaly Hellenic language (not Greek koine but Hellenistic Koine)
and in new testament says clerly that in Thessaloniki not Solun apostolos Paulos lived among Greeks
were it says Slavians????
you were at Steppes that time
does he says SLAVIANS ???? DOES HE SAYS BULGARIANS? OR SERBS?
NO IT SAYS GREEKS ROMAN AND JEWS

why? cause you were at Ucraine or Slovakia or above Donau at that time

Understand English and stop Pretending
You are a Slav a Slav who lived many years in ex SERBIAN CAPITAL, AND SPEAK BULGARIAN

you have the right for a country but not the right to steal my History
stop dreaming

the only acceptable name is Slavo-Makedonia

You are funny you claim my history, my name my lands my country, and you believe that i will let you? or i believe you?

all refuges came here under exchange of population
turks left greeks came
Bulgarian left Greeks
40 000 people of Monastiri (bitola came to Greece)
except Perlepe etc

how many went to skopje????
excange of population was done,
this is not 1913

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastir_Province,_Ottoman_Empire

There is opposing ethnographic data from that period, but it appears that no specific ethnic or religious group could claim an absolute majority of the population. According to the 1911 Ottoman census, Greeks were the largest Christian population in the vilayet, with 740,000 Greeks, 517,000 Bulgarians and 1,061,000 Muslims in the vilayets of Selanik (Thessaloniki) and Manastır.

in 1821 Monastir(bitola) revolt
and has 5 Greeks Heroes
Σωτήριος Δαμιάνοβις[5][6], ο Δημήτριος Βούλγαρης, ο Στέργιος Νικολάου, ο Νικόλαος Σακκούλας και ο Νικόλαος Αδάμης

almost 65 000 greeks left area and came to Greece

even Manaki brothers who were Aromani vlachs (Armani) you make them Slavians
its a shame

besides its 2014 that is with turks
its 2012 and you know it well. the big bam
 
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You dont give up? Time for more jokes :)

I AM THE REAL ANCESTOR OF - PHILIP II MACEDON - WHO WILL PLACE A STATUE OF A LION AFTER MY VICTORY AND CONQUEST.

Philip II Macedon defeated the Illyrians, the Thracians, the Greeks, the Scythians, and Triballians.
Greek version, he united the greeks with a phalanx in their ass.

Evidence:
LUDVIG XVI and I are same from ROOT (Y-DNA - G2a3b1a), who is a relative to Philip II of Macedon.
(And so are all humans from Adam and Eve).


The Royal Bloodline Family Genealogy

by David Icke http://www.davidicke.com/

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/bushbloodline.shtml

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/me...vingios_02.htm

I have recently been sent a series of genealogical charts which detail a bloodline and its off shoots that will be highly relevant to the readers of The Biggest Secret. I had no idea of their existence when I wrote The Biggest Secret. Yet it reads like an index of the book and most, if not all, of the major players in the advancing agenda of global control over thousands of years. These charts are stunning confirmation that the same bloodlines have expanded their power out of the Near and Middle East of the ancient world to control the planet today, precisely as detailed in The Biggest Secret.

For readers of The Biggest Secret the following will prove extremely interesting:

The Merovingians

This bloodline and its offshoots includes a long line of pharaohs in ancient Egypt, including Rameses II (1295-1228 BC), who is considered to be the greatest pharaoh of all. He was his country's master architect (sacred geometry) and his name can be found on almost every ancient shrine. The gold mines of Nubia made him rich beyond the imagination. This bloodline also includes the extraterrestrial-human hybrids who ruled Sumer, Babylon, Greece, and Troy, and which, today, rule the world.

One common link in this bloodline is Philip of Macedonia (382-336BC),who married Olympias, and their son was Alexander the Great (356-323BC), a tyrant who plundered that key region of Greece, Persia, Syria, Phoenicia, Egypt, Babylon, the former lands of Sumer, and across into India before dying in Babylon at the age of 33. During his rule of Egypt he founded the city of Alexandria, one the greatest centers for esoteric knowledge in the ancient world. Alexander was taught by the Greek philosopher, Aristotle, who in turn was taught by Plato and he by Socrates. The bloodline and the hidden advanced knowledge have always gone together.

This key bloodline comes down through the most famous Egyptian queen, Cleopatra (60-30BC), who married the most famous Roman Emperor, Julius Caesar, and bore him a son, who became Ptolemy XIV. She also bore twins with Mark Anthony, who has his own connections to this line and its many offshoots; this bloodline also connects to Herod the Great, the "Herod" of the Jesus stories, and continues to the Roman Piso family who, as I explain in The Biggest Secret, wrote the Gospel stories and invented the mythical figure called Jesus!!; the same bloodline includes Constantine the Great, the Roman Emperor who, in 325AD, turned Christianity, based on his ancestors' stories, into the religion we know today, and King Ferdinand of Spain and Queen Isabella of Castile, the sponsors of Christopher Columbus, who instigated the horrific Spanish Inquisition (1478-1834) in which people were tortured and burned at the stake for in any way questioning the basis of the religion their various ancestors had created.

More than that, the most used version of the Bible [King James Bible] was commissioned and sponsored by another strand in the same bloodline, King James 1st of England. Just a coincidence, nothing to worry about! The line of James, according to genealogy sources listed below, can be traced back to 1550 BC and beyond and includes many Egyptian pharaohs, including Rameses II.

The bloodline moved into France and northern Europe through the Franks and Meroveus or Merovee, who gave his name to the Merovingian bloodline, and it continues with the rest of the Merovingian clan like Clovis and the Dagoberts who connect into the elite secret society, the Priory of Sion and the Rennes-le-Chateau "mystery" in Languedoc [Provence], Southern France. Many books have been written recently which claim that the Merovingians are the bloodline of "Jesus".

Some of these authors have just been mistaken, others have blatantly sought to confuse and mislead. The Merovingians are a key bloodline, yes, but it has nothing to do with Jesus, who was invented by an earlier family in the same line, the Pisos. Authors like Sir Laurence Gardner (Bloodline of the Holy Grail and a favorite of Nexus Magazine and its owner, Duncan Roads) MUST know this and yet they still connect the Merovingians to "Jesus". Why??

The Merovingians were Goddess Diana worshippers, as are so many in this line to the present day. They founded the city we call Paris and on one of their former sites of Diana ritual, Princess Diana was murdered in the Pont d'Alma tunnel (meaning "bridge or passage of the Moon Goddess") on August 31st, 1997. As The Biggest Secret points out, the Windsors, another Merovingian bloodline, were very much involved in this ritual murder.

From the Merovingians, this bloodline's connections to the present day include: Charlemagne (742-814), who ruled as Emperor of the West in the Holy Roman Empire; a stream of French kings, including Robert II, Philip Ist, II and III, and Louis Ist, II, VI, VII, VIII, VIIII, XIII, IX, XV, and XVI. The latter married Marie Antoinette of this same bloodline and both were executed in the French Revolution. But they produced the son who became Daniel Payseur, who, as The Biggest Secret explains, was taken to the United States where he became the secret force behind the Morgan and Carnegie empires and owned vast amounts of real estate, banking, and industrial holdings.

This bloodline also connects to the de Medici family which supported Christopher Columbus and produced Catherine de Medici, the Queen of France who died in 1589. Her doctor was Nostradamus: It includes Rene d'Anjou, Duke of Lorraine, and the House of Lorraine which employed Nostradamus and Christopher Columbus. The bloodline relatives of the de Medicis and the House of Lorraine, Queen Isabella of Castile and King Ferdinand of Spain, were also sponsors of Columbus when he "discovered" the Americas.

This bloodline also includes the Habsburgs, the most powerful family in Europe under the Holy Roman Empire; Geoffrey Plantagenet and the Plantagenet royal dynasty in England; King John, who signed the Magna Carta; King Henry Ist, II, and III, who were extremely close to the Knights Templar, as was King John; Mary Stuart and the Stuart Dynasty, including King James Ist of England, sponsor of the King James version of the Bible; King George Ist, II, and III; Edward Ist, II, and III, Queen Victoria; Edward VII; George V and VI; Queen Elizabeth II; Prince Charles and Elizabeth's other offspring, Anne, Andrew and Edward; Princes William and Harry from Charles' "marriage" to Princess Diana; US Presidents, George Washington, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and George Bush are all named in the charts as strands of this bloodline; it was passed on to the year 2000 US presidential favorite, George W. Bush Jr., and his brother, Jeb Bush, the Governor of Florida.

In fact if you go deeply enough into the genealogical research you will find that ALL the presidents are from this line. Genealogical sources, like the New England Historical Genealogical Society and Burkes Peerage, have shown that 33 of the 42 presidents [up] to Clinton are related to Charlemagne and 19 are related to England's Edward III, both of whom are of this bloodline. A spokesman for Burkes Peerage, the bible of royal and aristocratic genealogy based in London, has said that every presidential election since and including George Washington in 1789 has been won by the candidate with the most royal genes. Now we can see how and why. United States presidents are not chosen by ballot, they are chosen by blood!

This same bloodline also includes key Scottish families like the Lords of Galloway and the Comyns; Marie-Louise of Austria, who married Napoleon Bonaparte; Kaiser Wilhelm II, the king of Germany at the time of the First World War; and Maximilian, the Habsburg emperor of Mexico, who died in 1867. On and on it goes into country after country. This bloodline connects into every surviving royal family in Europe, including King Juan Carlos of Spain and the Dutch, Swedish, and Danish royal lines.

And this is just ONE of the reptilian bloodlines and just SOME of its offshoots.

There are others which connect with these names and span the same period and beyond to thousands of years BC. Detailed family trees of the above are available on: Piso Homepage (http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/piso/)
 
That's the Greeks good will to make friends and peace in Europe? I'm sorry Elias, I like you very much, but this is what I learnt from Eupedia posts, and take it from the impartial observer, who don't care for any of involved countries.

Greeks hate Turks, despise Albanians, Bulgarians are enemies, Macedonians want to destroy Greece, Serbians probably not much better, they are Slavs after all.
Can you see you don't have even one neighbour you can call a friend???!!!
And all I can hear is how victimized the Greece is. " They want to take our land, take our names away, we are the victims." Please, stop whining and show some positive action.

I'm not defending any other country mentioned, and I think they are not helping the cause of european unity much either. I'll be as much objective about them when a time comes.

Take it from impartial commentator.
Greeks are in state of Paranoia. And I don't see any cooperation or compromises here. For me the straw that broke the camel's back was the arguing about a "stupid" name.
 
Only a non-greek can say what you just wrote and thats the real problem here.

If people think they can play hard then be ready to receive the same.

Greek view:
Its Impossible to talk about Macedonians and Macedonia its already Greek in their dream and thats end of discussion.
 
Get lost, what positive, the man can't understand,
he claims my land my name me history,
teach him manners lebrok not me,
i don't claim nothing,
simply i dont want to enter in a state with 4 languges 4 nations 3 religions, to satisfy his dream
is he a Slavian or not?
ask him?

DejaVu are you a Slavian or not?

we don't want your offer,
even if Nato or other push us to do it we dont Wanted it,
keep your lands, stop claiming my identity and my lands, and then we move to future,

else the way is known,
the old good method
Mikhail Kalashnikov
Yuriiiiiiii

besides everybody knows who is behind Greek Crisis,
who pushed to IMF and who gone back to others

Lebrok if you are not a balkanian you can't understand,
yesterday we didn't know each other
today we drink wine together and have fun
tomorrow we fight with music still drunken
the day after we meet and cry,
and the day after the day after tomorrow we drink again

That is ballkan lebrok
Dejavu knows it,
we provoke each other, as we can drink wine in an Aegean beach, or slibovica in the banks of Bardar, and tomorrow fight , and the day after tomorrow still friends,
right now i am drink a family pack wine from SKOVIN skopje, brought by a friend,

when he brought it to me, i pass with blank tape over Makedonsko vino,
when i return him a Greek Makedonian halva he erase the Greek flag

when i go to my friends in Bulgaria I never say Plovdiv but Phillipopolis when he come in Greece never says Edessa or thessaloniki but Vodena and Solunu

only when i go to Serbia i don't meet such things,

it is simple the country that Dejavu offers me is according map
with 4 ethnicities 4 languages 3 religions
its not my home, not my language,
thank you i don't wanted it
skopje was never my land
its full of I2a2, which was never a Greek Haplogroup
meaning that even by blood is different,

tell them to stop claiming, and then we go on to better relations,
by claiming they only win enemies

this is not Korea that is divited by political
this a 2 different nations being one,
you cant put the bull and the wolf in the same stable

you may have 2 ox to pull a wagon or 2 horses, or 10 dogs
but you never put an ox with a dog or a horse with ox
have you ever seen that?
where the wagon go? to the lake or to the rocks?

it is simple they claim that lived in makedonia villaet, ok
so the name Makedonian for for them is what ?
a geogrfical area they live?
or a nationality?
cause if it is a geografical ok then they have also an ethicitie which?
but if is an ethnicitie then they admit that they are greek!!, or they are not!!!
as they say they are not,
so who are they?

tell me Lebrok
who are they?

for me they are either Paenones or slavs cause they speak slavian
ok let them have the ethnicitie and the Makedonian after
like
Slavo-Makedonia
or bulgaro -Makedonia
or Thraco-Makedonia
or Paionomakedonia

it is not the land that gives name to people,
its the people who give name to land
France is after Francais not Normands
Germany is after Deutch not Bayerns

let them stop claiming and name their nationality

your proposal are unacceptable 2 000 000 in Makedonia ,3 000 000 Makedonians in Greece, and 5 000 000, all over the world will always say the truth,

stop claiming my land and nationality you are unwelcome with that proposal

 
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LeBrok I have told you before that since you are not from the balkans you will never be able to understand it. The Balkan nations are always in conflict with each other.

You are perfectly able to understand the situation in the Middle East right? Then you should think of the Balkans as a more peacefull version of what is going on there.

We are not lucky enough to be where France is and have Germany, England and Spain around us to live peacefully with them. Since ancient times our country has been the target of every expanding nation because of our geographical position. Everyone wants a piece of our land. We are used to defending our country against preditors... You can't walk in our shoes so you will never be able to understand it. Iapetoc described our relations very well in the post above, but still it is not easy to fully understand it unless you have lived here. The country you are living in doesn't have our problems. You don't have the Turks claiming the Aegean and west Thrace, you don't have FYROM claiming Macedonia, nor Albanians claiming Epirus. You have USA claiming nothing... You are lucky...
 
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That's the Greeks good will to make friends and peace in Europe? I'm sorry Elias, I like you very much, but this is what I learnt from Eupedia posts, and take it from the impartial observer, who don't care for any of involved countries.

Greeks hate Turks, despise Albanians, Bulgarians are enemies, Macedonians want to destroy Greece, Serbians probably not much better, they are Slavs after all.
Can you see you don't have even one neighbour you can call a friend???!!!
And all I can hear is how victimized the Greece is. " They want to take our land, take our names away, we are the victims." Please, stop whining and show some positive action.

I'm not defending any other country mentioned, and I think they are not helping the cause of european unity much either. I'll be as much objective about them when a time comes.

Take it from impartial commentator.
Greeks are in state of Paranoia. And I don't see any cooperation or compromises here. For me the straw that broke the camel's back was the arguing about a "stupid" name.
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Greece and bulgaria are fine with each other, both are in the EU, NATO, and share similar geographical interests. Greece and Albania are fine with each other, its just the nationalists that say otherwise. Greece and serbia and the other slavic countries, montenegro, ukraine, even russia, actually have really good relations with each other.

Greece and turkey, well, the agean warmongering and cyprus isn't helping, both of which are illegal, but you ask greece to comprismise? I don't think so. FYROM is built on lies and propaganda which promotes radical views and a distaste for the historical truth as seen here with dejavu who acts like a wild dog. FYROM adopted this "manifest vendetta" against greece because Bulgaria lost the second balkan war which Greece aquired greek macedonia. As long as they think they are 'ethnic macedonians', something I have proven wrong and only brought about due to communist brainwashing, the longer they hide from reality. You and I have similar views about european integration and understanding, but not much understanding on the issues keeping them apart.I don't think you "put yourself in the other persons shoes" when it comes to Greece here. How is a country or its citizens supposed to react when two of its neighbors have land claims against you and promote them domestically? Then you hear outside poeple saying find a comprimise, I'm sorry there is no comprimise to land claims against you, infact such claims could be seen as a decloration of war if they actually start sending war machines into your territory like turkey does in the agean.

You're entitled to your opinion of course.
 
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