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Also, I don't know if you noticed, but the one Albanian sample with the relatively uncommon values that you were talking about earlier was confirmed Y33200, so it is not an earlier split, unless TMRCA would change taking him into consideration. So with these new results, what's your opinion on the Y33200 and BY611 origins?
Celibashi is Y33200+? Well that's a surprise, it means Z2705 mutated on dys393 and then this clade mutated back on a slow STR. I was looking at one Ghegh from Arberesh study and thought he might be perhaps positive to Y33200, because he had dys393=13 + dys392=11. That's a big problem for Balkan BY611, because though widespread it remains young.
Someone looking at that Russian/Ukrainian might even suggest a Bulgar expansion. Seriously I don't think that is possible. How Balkan is BY611 to begin with?
Y10789 Italy/Spain
Y23374* YF06082 an American, but where is he from? His specific STR value seems to be dys390=23
His YFiler
12 23 14 11 11-11 12 13 13 29 15 15 18 12 15 12 ??
And these are his closest YFiler matches from YHRD, note because he has dys393=12, it's less likely to confuse him with some L51 who have 385=11-11, he also has 448=18 which is unusual.
12 23 14 11 11-11 13 13 13 29 16 15 19 11 15 12 23 Catalonia, Spain [Spanish] 1 match of 1415
12 23 14 11 11-11 13 13 13 29 16 15 19 11 15 12 23 Alicante, Spain [Spanish] 1 match of 216
So his closest matches are from... once again it's Spain, these have dys393=12, dys385=11-11 and dys390=23.
What I find very interesting here is that these haplotypes are from:
Alicante, Valencia, Spain
Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain
While the Spanish R-Y30192>Y32843, (TMRCA 3200 with an American R-Y23373*) are from
Alicante, Valencia, Spain
Girona near Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain
BY611 might even be Celtic, if all these with TMRCA of 2600 remain in the West. By logic it should be paleo-Balkan but that might be partially dependent on finding something older than Y33200.
Also one has to wonder is Balkan Z2705* ever going to be found? There are many Serbs with dys549=14, and I noticed this Portuguese Z2705* had it and shared it with a Ukrainian guy, so basically I was possibly correct in suggesting a link between them based on dys549 and some other STR's as Ukrainian is also Z2705*. I suggested one BY611 there test for Y33200 but he turned out Y33200+, it didn't work, even though there might be a connection between Ukrainian and Portuguese (if they form some clade of their own) based on dys549.
I was looking for some data on Romanians, and I remember you mentioned a you found some haplotypes. Could you give me a source please?
These 2 from Dolj area (with identical haplotypes on 19 STR's) are from the known Basarab study (with dys385 from Roma study) and Wallachian dys392=11 is from 'Population data for Y-chromosome haplotypes defined by 17 STRs in South-East Romania.', STR's are only available on YHRD.
Interestingly all 3 BY611 from Romania are with this dys392=11 haplotype. There is on Yfull one from Teleorman, has anybody seen his STR's, if dys392=11 are too Y33200+ then he might have this haplotype considering the lack of "standard" Y33200's there.