No this is an error in the file they switched the STR names, all other samples also have 20-19 and that is impossible as the opposite are the values. So he must have 19-20 too. 390=24 and 460=10
Yes you are right, he is similar to our clade but he has this two differences on slow mutating DYS390 and DYS460. According to Nevski, its highest chance for J2-PH1648.
This is very highly speculative match, i would not consider this match too serious.
I don't know about Kosovo much nor do I care. I have nothing to do with Kosovo when it comes to ancestry.. I never read Urosevic.. If you have no close relatives among Serbs then you have different path.
All my closest matches are approximately 900 - 1000 years, me and Nebojsa would probably form TMRCA 1000 years inside of Y22063 but its Batocanin with his low novels bringing TMRCA down.
However some Serbs are saying that i am Serb because my closest relatives are Serbs and Urosevic said so. But no one is mentioning they are 1000 years away, from the time they were not Serbs themselves, even prior to none-Slavic Kriçi tribals.
I knew that i will not have relatives among Malesia Albanians because we are not Malesia arrivals but i knew i will not have Serbs as relatives which would confirm Urosevic..
Urosevic said we were Serbs 200 years ago.. Which is nonsense, we have memories at least 300 years, we know names of 7 generations and after that we know history by land distribution as long ago it was mostly in our possession being the oldest family in Zheger.
I am currently working on testing other Albanian families that were also recorded as older families, therefore Serbs but i might already have result of one such family from Zheger and they got R1b haplogroup and no Serb relatives but also no Albanian ones.
There are few M205 in S.Albania but they are different. In Aromanians from Andon Poci one such haplotype i na study, I guess some of your might be related to him..
Yes i know they are different subclade, i upgraded their sample with SNP test.
There is four clades at Albanians, which is fairly high diversity, but low percentage. With Albanian project, 23andMe and public studies i managed to come to about 10 Albanians with J2-M205 haplogroup.
There is our Tosk cluster where Cabej and Celo fall, they have other Tosk matches. Then there is our Gogo cluster, he matches Aromun from Andon Poci, but he also matches Sicilian guy and Greek, and no other Aromuns except that one from Albania with closest match at Albanian. Both our Gogo and Tosk clusters are CTS1969 negative and Gogo cluster is actually also PF7321 negative, Tosk cluster is remained to be seen. I am third cluster so far still alone, but with two possible Y22059 23andme Albanians, both none responsive.
And there is our fourth clade, from Bosch et al, Albanian from Tirana, M205 with DYS388 12 which is huge multistep difference. But we didnt manage to get any of these yet.
Therefore even tho in low percentages, Albanians show very high diversity of J2-M205, and from since spreading with Phoenicians thru Mediterranean Sea, it for sure had contact with Illyrians long ago.
That's more of an urban myth. Albanian alphabet has 36 letters that represent 36 phonemes, like 30 in Serbo-Croatian. But French with far less letters has alot more different sounds, not to speak of Danish in both of which I am also fluent.
But Albanian is comparatively harder than most European languages.
So you speak fluent Turkish, Danish, French, Serbo Croatian, English, and you know Albanian grammar, but you dont speak Avar language. I told you that you are Albanian
You came to t r o l l me because you thought I was some Serb who would be upset with Y-DNA result. Some of my "cousins" might be upset because they are Serbs but I am glad I am not of Slavic hg, unlike most Serbs of E-V13 I like my haplogroup, and precisely because I am "Serb" and not Serb I am interested in it. And when it comes to my super brainpower, I was thinking what in terms of my ancestry might distinguish me from your sea of averageness. Obviously its not so likely to be the Slavic or Paleo-Balkanic.. It is not only that but very different principles..
I would never trøll you, and besides its not that you have haplogroup H1, E-v13 have plenty of Serbs especially Croatian/Bosnian Serbs and Montenegrins. But also South Serbs which are known for being Albanian like population.
I read Poreklo long ago, i remember few Serbs were saying they dont want E-v13 because it associates you with Albanians while i remember few said they would want it because they want to be nephes of Vaso..
I thought to myself this guy understands STRs SNPs, he is worthy one, unlike many of idiots trying to interpret something when not understanding basics like reading Yfull tree.
Btw you and Bachus are dead wrong.. I tracked down the ancestor of my Hungarian cousin. The documentary ancestor of that family was first mentioned in Mezősas in 1628. What I found is that among those who received the Coat of Arms from Prince of Transylvania there were in addition to him undeniably no less than 8 other people from Cumania (only counting surnames peculiar to Cumania), and for most ethnic Cuman origin can be argued, which was very weird as few years before that none of them were there and in 1628. they are more than 50 % there.. Why? 4 years earlier the same Prince answered the request of Cumans from there and he confirmed their privileges that dated from 1539. Why in Mezősas? Because same group served Bocskai in 1605. during his uprising for a short time during his revolt precisely in Mezősas. It is known they were there for a short time, but it makes sense they came back in 1628. because they had experience with the area.. My cousins surname was rare at that time but it does occur in the middle of Cumania in 1592., in fact as one person then had same name and was young at the time he could easily be the same person as the one in 1628.. Anyway the grandson of the guy from 1628 was one of the main guys in Cumania in 1702. after the Wiena War and his greatgrandson was present when the diploma from 1624. was brought up in 1717. because Cumans lost privileges in 1702 (they were returned in 1742). The family settled in the place where the tested is from only in 1768., but they were present before that in Cumania, and originally it seems they are from there (1592.) before the turbulent 17th century..
As this surname was not mentioned in 1571., 21 years before, and it was formed of fathers name, the only 2 suitable persons descended of certain Cuman families...:cool-v:
In the early 17th century Cuman was still spoken there but depopulation due to wars starting in 1595 had caused migrations. That is why even though the tested was from Karcag and his surname recorded there in 1592 I could not assume automatically they are connected because Karcag was depopulated in 1618. but soon after that in 1624. Cumans enrolled for the Prince of Transylvania, and this family was prominent in it, as they were when they came back to Cumania after the wars ended in late 17th century.
If you prove this genetically, i will have no other option then to believe you. But your South Serb and Hungarian and other Balkan nearby matches alone prove on the contrary that you probably split around Balkan with your brother clade where South albanians fall in. So 900 BC if i remember correctly.
And ofc, back to you once last time how do I know "this mutation" is important. Well for V13 accepted and established modal at dys385b is 18. Same goes for most Albanian BY4461, same for Swedish Z38456. Hungarian has 19 but other from Cluj has this modal 18.
Meanwhile of commercially tested and from the studies in the Balkans I know no less than 14 hapotypes of my cluster and absolutely every single one of them has 385b=17. That is clearly an innovation, a back mutation. Newer one obviously. If Hungarian is Cuman and he is 99% so are all Balkanites automatically (and generally they look similar to each other suggesting TMRCA of about 1000 ybp), but ofc I have some proof for us in the Balkans as well.. I make exception for the ones found in Pecenjevce (and their cousin in Sofia), they are Pecheneg.. Simultaneously as said Northern haplotypes being from N.Transylvania and being close geographically to other Hungarians of the E-Y81971 clade, being not far from Ukrainian who are other Z17107* (Z38456-), In Lavov there is likely anonymous haplotype of this other Russian Z38456- clade too.. It does clearly indicate where Z17107 comes from, you have 4 Z17107+, Z38456- in the Middle Carpathian region.. And my cluster came in Nomad invasions anywhere from around 1000-1240..
I can't prove we came from the East..yet.. (I might in the future depending on some results) but I can postulate and be correct as we have cousin in Cluj that somebody joined Pechenegs in 1068. there when they burned the fortress there and subsequently in 1092. when Cumans defeated the Pechenegs a bunch of these likely switched sides, those that didnt are found in Pecenjevce.
So I think I might be of high quality likely precisely because my ancestors arrived to Balkans with Cumans.. This Cuman quality unlike the Balkan averageness is something worthy to be worked on and revived.. After all look at the Dasht-i Kipchak and compare it to your countries.
You know that you thought that you will be Y30991 negative, but you turned out positive, you see that its not that secure to use these marker predictions, even tho i understand that there is chance, but it would be better to wait for confirmation.
So much for your "99 % of no connection" or whoever else's, it's more 99 % of certain connection.. For some of my relatives I might want to prove connection with this local family from Medieval, but like all Serbs who are not of Slavic/Germanic origin there is little interest. And that is understandable. After all once you remove the linguistic factor and the religious mumbo-jumbo that formed these modern nations what is there left?? Something else, and I do actually encourage people to act upon their Y-DNA results, and of lets say people of Slavic ancestry to incorporate elements of "naopagan" lore in their lives etc.
I agree with investigating Y-DNA and going with the traditions of it : )
Since when Serbs want Germanic connection? Isn't a Russian more preferable one? Serbs are really heterogeneous and there is chance for many haplogroups. But Albanians also have good spindle.
I am pretty happy with situation as it stands so far, i dont have neither Albanians and neither Serbs close, and i am kinda isolated : D
I wonder where are are my 200 - 1000 ybp relatives tho.
Serbs used to tell me we will find them soon, we will give free tests to Kosovo Serbs and there is South Serbia study going on, but that was years ago, i dont hear much of them lately after that
