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    Look if there is 21-24% R1a in Southern Slavs then the Slavic ancestry should be around 40-47% in Balkan. The question must be are the rest of I2 native or Slavic migrators too, which in my believe were native to the Balkans and only half of Southern Slavs are from Slavic ancestry.

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    Because the very common branches of I2-L621 in the Balkans have a very young TMRCA that spread with Slavic speakers less than 2000 years ago. Yes, the ancestor to this branch is far older, but likely resided in NE Europe along with R1a-M458. Perhaps the Belarus area. E-V13 is also quite common in this group as well, but it may have a different point of origin.

    You might want to ask the question - Where did the G2a Carpathian farmers go? Good question. It's quite clear the branches common in the Balkans today were probably not there during the Bronze or Neolithic age. M458 and I2-L621 are definitely not Balkan refugium groups.

    I2-M26 and I2-M223 have turned up in ancient DNA of the Carpathains/Balkans and are at negligible frequency in the same region today. Both have absolutely no relationship to the branches common in Slavic speakers who reside there today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parafarne View Post
    Look if there is 21-24% R1a in Southern Slavs then the Slavic ancestry should be around 40-47% in Balkan. The question must be are the rest of I2 native or Slavic migrators too, which in my believe were native to the Balkans and only half of Southern Slavs are from Slavic ancestry.
    For a long time there was no right explanation for this.

    But Ukrainian scientists made a key breakthrough, they proved that in area north of the Black sea along the upper and middle Dnieper and Pripyat Rivers, Zarubintsy culture was Bastarnaian!

    Zarubintsy culture is very important because it is predecessor of Kiev culture which is Slavic.

    It means Bastarnae are one of key elements of Slavic ethnogenesis.

    When we see movement of Bastarnae people they were in the area of Vistula before 200 BC and after that they migrated to the Dacian and Sarmatian borders.

    If Bastarnae were Germanic, (or Celtic), what scholars think. But surely they were not Slavic.

    Vistula area Nordtvedt designates for area where I-CTS10228 appeared after bottleneck.

    It means Bastarnae can be Mesolitic survivors carriers of I-CTS10228 haplogroup.

    Bastarnae first time came to the Balkans 179 BC, after that they came and settled more times, and they mixed with Thracians/Dacians. There is source which claims that significant part of Balkan population before 5th century was mixed Bastarnaian/Thracian.

    Bastarnae who were on Northen Carpatian, and Western Ukraine and beyond mixed with Sarmatians, and probably Scythians.

    What is interesting Bastarnae were very numerous that some historians call them people (nation) and not tribe.

    If this theory accurate I-CTS10228 carriers were in the Balkans, Romania and Moldavia much before Slavs what excellency explains your question.

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    Interesting theory, one problem though... the presence of I-CTS10228 is quite large in the Balkans, Romania, Moldova... why not attribute that to the Dacians/ Getae/ Carps and all the other Thracian Tribes?

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    "Because the very common branches of I2-L621 in the Balkans have a very young TMRCA that spread with Slavic speakers less than 2000 years ago."
    I2-L621 is present all the way in Sardinia and the Slavic speakers definitely originated way North and East of that... Is definitely a puzzle...

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    You 're confusing I2a1b L621 (Slavic?) with M26 ( Sardinia) I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOESAN View Post
    You 're confusing I2a1b L621 (Slavic?) with M26 ( Sardinia) I think.
    You are correct, my bad... I stand corrected (wrong source of info.)...

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