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    Quote Originally Posted by Angela View Post

    So long as someone has a base IQ of about 120-130 (rough guess), other factors are more important, in my opinion, like the ability to communicate and inspire and persuade, a calm temperament, the ability to handle stress, and leadership skills. Of course, sound opinions on economics and world affairs are also important.
    I agree, Angela.
    Be wary of people who tend to glorify the past, underestimate the present, and demonize the future.

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    This website is a respectable website showing how governments spend our money. They are not political hacks. If you have issue with their estimates you could go to them change them. I am sure there are qualified psychologists doing the estimates. Don't forget GWB caused this Great Recession in 2007.

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    I'll repeat...you can't "estimate" IQ. An educational psychologist can't watch you give a speech or even look at your grades and come up with a number. SAT scores might get you closer, but even they aren't reliable, assuming you could get access to someone's SAT scores, and if such testing was even available when they were alive, because so much of the test is "learned".

    So, this listing is totally unreliable. The only way to get a reliable "IQ" score is for a certified educational psychologist to sit down with someone for hours giving tests of digit recall, audio processing, visual processing etc. Barring that, a written IQ test given by such a psychologist would do. Those tests are very recent. Even for recent presidents, IF they were given, which most likely they were not (the only time a school might request permission to do so would be either to put a child into "gifted" programs, 150 or above, or because they suspect a major learning disability) they are privileged and the results would not be released. If some investigative reporter had ever gotten a look at them, it would have been front page news, as it was when they got the transcripts for both Kerry and Bush.


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    I agree that an estimate is really an educated guess. But with GWB it is a very good guess. His removal of Saddam Hussein which set the ball rolling for 'regime change' got us this refugees problem and the whole of Eupedia is front and center about illegal migrants. Can you not see the connection about who the dolt is who started this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oriental View Post
    I agree that an estimate is really an educated guess. But with GWB it is a very guess. His removal of Saddam Hussein which set the ball rolling for 'regime change' got us this refugees problem and the whole of Eupedia is front and center about illegal migrants. Can you not see the connection about who the dolt is who started this?
    He just accelerated the process. Dictators don't last forever. A recent case of Syria or Egypt are indicators of the imminent changes. The outcome turned different in Egypt than in Syria. However it is not the end of the hoopla. More to come from Near East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    islamic fundamentalism, al qaida, al shabab, boko haram .. is existing for decades
    ISIS is the new kid on the block

    Tunisia democracy won't last, it is very easy to destabilize, Tunisia depends on tourism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Sousse_attacks

    Assad is a war criminal, but what do you think would happen if he were eliminated tomorrow?
    ISIS is just waiting for that to happen.

    What would you think if general Sisi were not in Egypt?
    ISIS is just waiting for that to happen.

    Democracy took 500 years to happen in Europe.
    Do you want to wait that long?
    I think is no need to wait 500 years. With the right help and the right support from USA, we will have there the democracy.
    Al Qaeda, was an organization, otherwise is ISIS. It would be good for the freedom if Assad go away. Today Egypt is better than was during Mubarak. If these dictators will be pro Americans, sooner or later we will have there the democracy. Greece embraced the democracy only afterward 1974 . Either Turkey had many coups, but now they are making elections. First we need in middle east some democratic reforms. Step by step we are gonna built there the democracy. The main problem there is Russia. ISIS is a joke. The real problem are the Russians, Hezbollah and Iran. Russia already is sending troops there. Hezbollah is already there. Is going to be a big mess. All Qaeda can't defeat the NATO. Isis can't defeat the NATO. But the Russian- Chinese alliance yes. The problem is that Obama talks and Putin moves .
    The inhabitants of middle east are like the other people of the world. Everyone deserve the democracy and freedom. This is up and down process. Look on Japan today. What it was in the past, and what is already today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    Seriously, where do you take that from? Without US involvement in Europe during World War II, the most likely thing that would have happened is that the iron curtain would have extended along the Channel coast, and all of Continental Europe would have fallen under communist rule. There was no chance in hell for Hitler to win against the Soviet Union, because as things were, the Soviet Union was in a destitute condition when Nazi Germany attacked in 1941, and still Hitler lost.





    The Daeesh are doing a marvellous job of thoroughly denouncing radical Islam. They first and foremost, kill other Muslims. Give it a couple of decades, and the pendulum will swing in the opposite direction (Richard Dawkins type atheism, the foundation for that is already happening). In my opinion, the whole "middle easterners can't understand democracy, the best thing for the Middle East is dictatorship" routine is one of the key factors that allowed radical Islam to grow and expand in the past 60 or so years. Imagine that somebody would have said the same about the Germans in 1945?
    You think that middle eastern people are different by the rest of the world. You mean their DNA has a problem? Do you ever heard about Babylon?

    Do you know that the German industry was superior against the industry of Soviet union. The Russian war industry was supported by the American British industry. Germans already were fighting in Africa against Britain and USA. The German defeat by the Russians is rather a legend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    so you would have prefered Stalin over Hitler?

    it's what I told , fascism and communism would still be there
    Both were destroyed by USA. But we need the second Punic war

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicicleur View Post
    well, why not give ISIS and all fumdamentalist movements worldwide the same treatment as the Germans at WW II ?
    You already have a caliphate. Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    Radical Islam as we know and loathe it today didn't take 500 years to appear. Its a development of the past century (starting out with the carving up of the Ottoman Empire by the Entente powers).




    I never talked about what I prefer, I talked about what would likely have happened. I said what would have happened without US involvement in World War II. Truth be told, I'm tired of the clientele of commenters that Fox News digs up with a high level of regularity that proudly claim on screen "if it wasn't for us (the US), you (Europe) would be all speaking German". History is not simple, nor is it ever black-and-white.





    No. There are two primary reasons why Hitler was defeated: the preserverance of the British and the strategic depth and massive resources of the Soviet Union, both factors which Hitler immensely underestimated. The UK could have surrendered after the fiasco at Dunkirk, but they didn't. The US does not deserve much credit for defeating Hitler in World War II. They were not a game changer with that, and I am sure that fascism would not be around without the US involvement. They deserve, however, credit for the iron curtain running as far east as it did historically (as I described).

    (my apologies for taking this off-topic)
    Churchill purpose was not stopping till they get to Moscow, but Roosevelt disagreed with him unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    I'm for EU boots on the ground to finish Daesh. Even though I know it will create political vacuum and perhaps new ethnic conflicts.
    Yes, and after Assad and his guys from Russia and Iran could keep Syria and Iraq. No way. Even the most weak state can defeat the ISIS. We should not leave Iraq and Syria under the control of Iran and Russia. Russians should be out of there

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    Quote Originally Posted by oriental View Post
    I agree that an estimate is really an educated guess. But with GWB it is a very guess. His removal of Saddam Hussein which set the ball rolling for 'regime change' got us this refugees problem and the whole of Eupedia is front and center about illegal migrants. Can you not see the connection about who the dolt is who started this?
    If you ask me I hope that Obama allows the Israel to send some bombings onto Iran. Bush was a great president. He was not allowed to finish his job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    He just accelerated the process. Dictators don't last forever. A recent case of Syria or Egypt are indicators of the imminent changes. The outcome turned different in Egypt than in Syria. However it is not the end of the hoopla. More to come from Near East.
    Come on. Look at to Japan. It's a wonderful country today. Freedom works.
    God bless USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    He just accelerated the process. Dictators don't last forever. A recent case of Syria or Egypt are indicators of the imminent changes. The outcome turned different in Egypt than in Syria. However it is not the end of the hoopla. More to come from Near East.
    middle East is not Europe,
    there is big difference,
    an Armagedon can start from there,
    we do not play with middle East and China today,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    You think that middle eastern people are different by the rest of the world. You mean their DNA has a problem? Do you ever heard about Babylon?

    I said exactly the opposite:
    In my opinion, the whole (...) routine is one of the key factors that allowed radical Islam to grow and expand in the past 60 or so years.

    By that 'routine' I meant the US (or the West in general) propping up of despots like Saddam Hussein and Hosni Mubarak because they believed that was the lesser evil. Following the demise of Pan-Arabism, by denying the prospect of democracy, the West inadvertedly stood by while radical Islam promoted itself as a viable alternative.


    Do you know that the German industry was superior against the industry of Soviet union. The Russian war industry was supported by the American British industry. Germans already were fighting in Africa against Britain and USA. The German defeat by the Russians is rather a legend.

    Tell me, how many British and US soldiers fought at Kursk or Stalingrad (hint: not a single one)? Which country had the most casualties and had to pay the dearest price for victory against Nazi Germany (hint: the Soviet Union). Regarding American support, yes, lend-lease existed, but I think that it contributed comparably little to the Soviet war effort (perhaps with exception of the trucks provided by Lend-lease)- they only sped up the inevitable. But at that point (late 1941) it should be added that the British and Americans were overtly pessimistic how the Soviet Union would fare against Nazi Germany, which was one of the key factors for the Soviet Union to be included in lend-lease.

    Of course we all know that Joseph Stalin was a nightmarish despot in his own right, but the Soviet Union made the biggest contribution towards defeating Nazi Germany, in particular in terms of fielding manpower and in terms of casualties.


    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    You already have a caliphate. Iran.

    Shia Islam doesn't do the "caliphate". Unless you count Ali, the fourth of the Rashidun caliphs (which is regarded with special providence in Shia Islam).


    Quote Originally Posted by Piro Ilir View Post
    Churchill purpose was not stopping till they get to Moscow, but Roosevelt disagreed with him unfortunately.

    Its called Operation Unthinkable, because that's what it would have ammounted to: doing the unthinkable. Churchill had the charming idea of re-arming German war-criminals against the Soviet Union. Basically World War III at the conclusion of World War II, a really great idea. We can all be thankful that this was cancelled off.

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    So British and American soldiers have to fight in Kursk and Stalingrad because Stalin and Hitler did not respect the agreements that were signed between them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    middle East is not Europe,
    there is big difference,
    an Armagedon can start from there,
    we do not play with middle East and China today,

    EMPIRES AND RELIGIOUS STATES DROP FROM INSIDE,
    NOT FROM OUTSIDE,
    We all know that middle east is not Europe, but despite this, everyone needs freedom.
    I'm for the second Punic war. Let it be.

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    Taranis,
    1- no one of those dictators you just mentioned was akin with Pinochet. We need there dictators who agree with USA and implement there the democratic reforms step by step, like Pinochet did in Chile.
    2- Luftwaffe was destroyed by the USA and the British air fleet. If the German Luftwaffe was as a whole against the Soviets, Germany was the winner. If you have a superior air force you win the war. All the rest are fairytales romantic propaganda. USA bombed everything in Germany. They destroyed the whole military fabrics.
    3- the Islam republic of Iran has already many Islamic laws by the sharia constitution . The ayatollah is the supreme leader. The president can't be elected without the permission of the ayatollah. This state is ruled by the holy imams, and is almost anti democratic. Every woman should be covered. For me it's a sort of caliphate, no matter what they calls it.
    The imam Ali was the last of the right caliphs afterward the death of prophet.
    5- I disagree about Churchill. For me it was a good idea. His idea was to continue the marching till they defeat the Soviets. Just imagine how could be the world today . USA and British armies were much superior than the Soviets, during that time. Soviets provided the atomic bomb only in 1951 if I remember well. Someone help me with this. USA had the a much more air force than the Soviets

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