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    Quote Originally Posted by Illyricum Sacrum View Post
    Hi Albanopolis, I know it's easier to ignore them, but I can't let it go without putting in my two cents. History and linguistics are a hobby of mine. More of us speak up the better is. Thank you for your welcome!
    If you believe genetics and languages are related to each other,and you can find some type of relationship with each other, then you are wasting your time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    If you believe genetics and languages are related to each other,and you can find some type of relationship with each other, then you are wasting your time.
    I don't see where such correlation was made between languages and genes in my post. I'm not sure you even read it. I suppose you're barking to the wrong tree.

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    Maciano, I have to strongly disagree with your statement on Garrick. If anyone has any minimal knowledge of Albanian language, would find Garrick's Berber-Alb link laughable. Please check my post #198. As per Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza's, Albanians are the first settlers of the area (coming from Anatolia), followed by Armenians circa 500 years later then Greeks 2,000 later. "Genes, People and Languages, pages163-164)

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    Is there any "albanian" marker in Britain? or even the departure point in the netherlands?
    The Romans took many thracians ( dacians, getae, triballi, moesians, bessi etc ) men there
    The Romans took many IllyrianS (dalmatians, liburnians, pannonians, iasopes etc ) men there

    If so, which are the markers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by binx View Post
    This Albanian propaganda after a while becomes very boring
    Sorry Binx but do you have any knowledge of Albanian or Arvanitika? Let me rephrase a well known Greek author:
    “It’s the fault of a German,” Mr. Dimou said about Greek pride in this cause. He was referring to Johann Winckelmann, the 18th-century German art historian whose vision of an ancient Greece “populated by beautiful, tall, blond, wise people, representing perfection,” as Mr. Dimou put it, was in a sense imposed on the country to shape modern Greek identity.
    “We used to speak Albanian and call ourselves Romans, but then Winckelmann, Goethe, Victor Hugo, Delacroix, they all told us, ‘No, you are Hellenes, direct descendants of Plato and Socrates,’ and that did it. If a small, poor nation has such a burden put on its shoulders, it will never recover.” Now to enlighten you, since you're bored, I suggest you read a study by John Bintliff "The Ethnoarchaelogy of a "passive" ethnicity: the Arvanites of Central Greece". You'll get a better understanding of Arvanitika. I suggest you read, also Edmund Martin Geldart's "The Modern Greek Language" pages128-137 to get a better grasp of Albanian and correlation of it with Sanscrit and where Latin and Greek stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    I have moved the thread to the Linguistics subforum.

    I personally believe that it is a mistake to classify the Albanian language as purely Indo-European. I think it is originally a language of Old Europe (Neolithic South-East Europe, settled by Near Eastern farmers, so in all likelihood an Afro-Asiatic language), which was later influenced by the overbearing presence of neighbouring Indo-European languages. Garrick pointed out in another thread the similarity between Albanian and Berber languages.

    Taranis made a few noteworthy observations here, but the long time span that separate ancient Etruscan from modern Albanian would effectively allow for such phonetic changes (more vowels, distinction between between voiced and unvoiced stop consonants). Just look how French vowels have diverged from other Romance languages and from Latin. As for the voiced and unvoiced stop consonants, Korean doesn't, while Japanese does, and Japanese undeniably descends in part from Korean. When two languages converge to form a new hybrid language (like English or Japanese) or one language is strongly influenced by another (like French with Frankish), it is common to see major shifts in vowels and/or consonants. Albanian is obviously a hybrid language belonging to two linguistic families (Afro-Asiatic and Indo-European).

    Besides the linguistic aspect, it makes sense that Etruscan and Albanian be related to ancient Near Eastern languages, since both ethnic groups were migrants from Anatolia or the Levant, and both are an admixture mostly of haplogroups J2 and E1b1b. I think we could indeed associate the Pelasgians to these two haplogroups. I believe that R1a1a and R1b1b2a1 came later to Greece, Macedonia and Albania. I personally find it most likely that R1a1a was brought by the Mycenaeans, and R1b1b2a1 by the Sea Peoples, Dorians, Celts and Romans.

    On the other hand I don't think the Illyrians have anything to do with either the Etruscans or the Albanians.
    i really dont want to offend you personaly but your postis very idiotic and total nonsense
    there is no connection between the paleo-indoeuropean albanian language and the afro-asiatic ones and that you reffer to this post of the serb which was not even meant seriouse it was just a simple provocation in which he used invented words as "albanian" shows that you have no clue what you are talking about

    the albanian language is not a hybrid one it stayted almost the same for thousands of years that anicent scripts can still be translated in the today albanian language prooves this obviously

    after Luigi_Luca_Cavalli-Sforza the albanian language is dated to a begining over 8000 years ago http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p...lli-sforza.jpg
    so its the oldest language of europe which is still spoken today and if one language influnced others than this one
    the latin and the hellenic language are based on the albanian one

    there is no relation between the semitic languages of the levant and the norhtafrican ones to the languages of old europe like albanian
    when should this connection should happend after you when they splitted in the late stone age??

    the last sentence is the best this disqualifys you to every discussion about albanians or the balkans
    the albanains are culturally and genetically the illyrians themself their dircet descents
    and the etruscans are one of the main proto-illyrian pelasgic tribes like the macedonians
    they came from illyria to italy

    for this topic i recomend you:
    http://books.google.fr/books?id=tQ_5...ed=0CDcQ6AEwAg

    http://books.google.de/books?id=-XNDcgAACAAJ&dq=inauthor:%22Robert+d'+Angely%22&hl= de&sa=X&ei=CObNUYpzhui1BszLgYAC&ved=0CDkQ6AEwAQ

    (http://www.pelasg.org/robert_dangely_enigma_en.html)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maciamo View Post
    Garrick pointed out in another thread the similarity between Albanian and Berber languages.
    say in albanian is "thuaj"
    my is "e imja"
    we is "ne"
    "se" is "because" than is "at her"
    meat is "mish" ushqim means food not meat
    fat is "yndyre" in geg dialekt there exist the word vijam but dhjam is invented total nonsense
    father means "ati" and mother means "ema" baba is not albanian this word is used in almost every muslim country it is a loanword
    thread means "ceshtije" fill is nonsense it has no meaning
    elephant means "elefanti" fil again total nonsense

    black is "zi" e zeze means its black
    roatate is "rrotullim"
    eat is "ngren"

    and so on...

    this guy worked with googel translator lol i checked it
    just a simple provocation wich cruise around all serbian forums

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    the pelasgo-illyrians were not a nation like in the modern sense they even often killed each other
    but they were all connected in a big cultural family


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    Ok, dude worked with google translator.
    It's not his fault he doesn't know both Albanian and Berberian to confirm it. That's why it's public on forum, for you to check it.

    Anyway, it seems reasonable to assume that Albanian language developed from the language their ancestors spoke, which points us to North-African E population. If there are no similarities that means either Albanians or Berberians are now speaking language that was imposed onto them by later invaders (if anyone has different theory please present). When we extrude Arab influence from Berberian where do we stand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    Ok, dude worked with google translator.
    It's not his fault he doesn't know both Albanian and Berberian to confirm it. That's why it's public on forum, for you to check it.

    Anyway, it seems reasonable to assume that Albanian language developed from the language their ancestors spoke, which points us to North-African E population. If there are no similarities that means either Albanians or Berberians are now speaking language that was imposed onto them by later invaders (if anyone has different theory please present). When we extrude Arab influence from Berberian where do we stand?
    of course its his fault if you dont know than you should not talk about it or present it as a fact
    dont protect him just because you are serbian too ;)

    it points us not at all to the north african-e population you point it there although you have more E1b1b1 than albanians
    eastern europeans have nothing in common with north afrcans they splitted in the late stone age
    so its total nonsense to talk about "our ancestors" in north africa

    we are talking about a time where no berberian or arabs existed so again you are talking nonsense
    thats unlogical thats like trying to connect today german and today iranian because the proto-indoeuropeans migrated from that place

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    the pelasgo-illyrians were not a nation like in the modern sense they even often killed each other
    but they were all connected in a big cultural family


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    why you mixing etruscan with albanian, ?......neither existed at the same time.

    Why you mentioning illyrians,? the illyrians did not call themselves illyrians, never ever, it is a geographical name invented by Greeks to refer to the many different linguistic, ethnic and different tribes to the noth of Hellenic lands, basically barbarians........
    Illyrians, who all had different kings/chiefs and very rarely ever united together......which is why the Romans could defeat them......by piecemeal wars.

    The thracians are also a geographical name, same as italians, iberians, british etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    why you mixing etruscan with albanian, ?......neither existed at the same time.

    Why you mentioning illyrians,? the illyrians did not call themselves illyrians, never ever, it is a geographical name invented by Greeks to refer to the many different linguistic, ethnic and different tribes to the noth of Hellenic lands, basically barbarians........
    Illyrians, who all had different kings/chiefs and very rarely ever united together......which is why the Romans could defeat them......by piecemeal wars.

    The thracians are also a geographical name, same as italians, iberians, british etc
    the pelasgic tribe of etruscians are part of the albanian ancesotrs who said they existed at the same time
    we are talking about the ancient etruscian scripts which can be translated only in todays albanain

    wrong, illyrians called themself ilir which means the free one in albanian and iliria was the land of the free
    because they were the only one who ruled from one see to another the whole balkan

    and greeks didnt exist at that time you are talking about hellenic tribes which are also descent of the pelasgo-illyrians like the dorians which came from north illyria

    romans were not very different from illyrians they were connceted with them trought the illyrian tribes like the mesapians etruscians and the adriatic veneti

    the illyrians were not a nation like in the modern sense they foughted their worst wars with their own for example the dardanians and macedonians had a long history of rivality
    or the taulanti which fought on the side of the romans against other rival illyric tribes
    but they were all culturally connected had the same language and believes

    there are a few one which could unite them as one power for example the warrior king bato who caused the great illyrian revolt which almost destroyed rome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    the pelasgic tribe of etruscians are part of the albanian ancesotrs who said they existed at the same time
    we are talking about the ancient etruscian scripts which can be translated only in todays albanain

    wrong, illyrians called themself ilir which means the free one in albanian and iliria was the land of the free
    because they were the only one who ruled from one see to another the whole balkan

    and greeks didnt exist at that time you are talking about hellenic tribes which are also descent of the pelasgo-illyrians like the dorians which came from north illyria

    romans were not very different from illyrians they were connceted with them trought the illyrian tribes like the mesapians etruscians and the adriatic veneti

    the illyrians were not a nation like in the modern sense they foughted their worst wars with their own for example the dardanians and macedonians had a long history of rivality
    or the taulanti which fought on the side of the romans against other rival illyric tribes
    but they were all culturally connected had the same language and believes

    there are a few one which could unite them as one power for example the warrior king bato who caused the great illyrian revolt which almost destroyed rome
    explain please because I see no mention of the term etruscan in AD times and I see no term of albanoi in BC times.........so where is this link?


    link me this ilir term and not some fictional fantasy greek, Egyptian, roman, celtic term ........

    I will find the recent article which states that the Taulanti where a mix of "parthini-illyrian", "epirote" and "hellenic" people.
    they sided with the Romans because they hated the Dalmatian-illyrians, these taulanti where more aligned with the macedonians as proved by the numerous "royal" weddings between each other

    Albanians cannot claim the term they are illyrians, because bosnians, croatians etc etc have the same claim. You maybe can claim taulanti, parthini and dardanian as these tribes lived in modern albania and kosovo, but that's a stretch as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    of course its his fault if you dont know than you should not talk about it or present it as a fact
    dont protect him just because you are serbian too ;)
    He presented something he got from Google translator. He was mislead by it. You said he was a provoker, and I don't think that's the right term for it. Nobody is protecting anyone from anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    it points us not at all to the north african-e population you point it there although you have more E1b1b1 than albanians
    eastern europeans have nothing in common with north afrcans they splitted in the late stone age
    so its total nonsense to talk about "our ancestors" in north africa

    we are talking about a time where no berberian or arabs existed so again you are talking nonsense
    thats unlogical thats like trying to connect today german and today iranian because the proto-indoeuropeans migrated from that place
    I see nothing wrong with connection between German and Iranian languages. There is an obvious connection.

    Stone age is a long period. What's your point? That E-V13 invented Albanian language after they broke up from North Africa? When would that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    the pelasgic tribe of etruscians are part of the albanian ancesotrs who said they existed at the same time
    we are talking about the ancient etruscian scripts which can be translated only in todays albanain

    wrong, illyrians called themself ilir which means the free one in albanian and iliria was the land of the free
    because they were the only one who ruled from one see to another the whole balkan

    and greeks didnt exist at that time you are talking about hellenic tribes which are also descent of the pelasgo-illyrians like the dorians which came from north illyria

    romans were not very different from illyrians they were connceted with them trought the illyrian tribes like the mesapians etruscians and the adriatic veneti

    the illyrians were not a nation like in the modern sense they foughted their worst wars with their own for example the dardanians and macedonians had a long history of rivality
    or the taulanti which fought on the side of the romans against other rival illyric tribes
    but they were all culturally connected had the same language and believes

    there are a few one which could unite them as one power for example the warrior king bato who caused the great illyrian revolt which almost destroyed rome
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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    explain please because I see no mention of the term etruscan in AD times and I see no term of albanoi in BC times.........so where is this link?


    link me this ilir term and not some fictional fantasy greek, Egyptian, roman, celtic term ........

    I will find the recent article which states that the Taulanti where a mix of "parthini-illyrian", "epirote" and "hellenic" people.
    they sided with the Romans because they hated the Dalmatian-illyrians, these taulanti where more aligned with the macedonians as proved by the numerous "royal" weddings between each other
    you are wasting my time with your random nonsense
    how you see no term of albanoi in bc times?? lol the albanoi or albani were an illyrian tribe in middle albania from them comes the term "albanians"

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    illyr is the english form of iliri which means the free one in today albanian
    so about what ficitonal name are you talking?

    lol the parthini were also an illyrian tribe:
    The Parthini or Partheni or Peerthenetai (Greek Παρθῖνοι, Παρθηνοί) [60] were Illyrians, part of the Taulantii[6
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lyria#Parthini

    epiriote is another synonym for albanians in the middle ages or the south illyrian tribes in ancient times
    hellens were just seperated descents of the illyrian dorians and other illyro-pelasgic tribes
    macedonians are pre-hellenic they are pelasgian and part of the illyro-thracian cultural group they were considered as barbarians from the newbies on the balkan the hellens and see their cult of the sun and and and

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    Albanians cannot claim the term they are illyrians, because bosnians, croatians etc etc have the same claim. You maybe can claim taulanti, parthini and dardanian as these tribes lived in modern albania and kosovo, but that's a stretch as well
    hahahahha no no no bosnians croatians have no right at all to connect theirself with the illyrians becuase they are culturally and genetically 100% slavic
    and the north illyrian tribes like the dalmatians paonians etc. went through the centuries down south when you immigrated
    albanians are the only one which have the right to call themself illyrian culturally and gentically they are the illyrians themself
    so dont switch roles your identity is slavic dont try to steal ours in fyromstyle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    He presented something he got from Google translator. He was mislead by it. You said he was a provoker, and I don't think that's the right term for it. Nobody is protecting anyone from anything.
    stop lyieng i have seen this post many times he didnt even wrotte it himself its from some retarded ultra-nationalistic forum from serbia
    it was just a simple provocation look at the second post he trys to compare pictures from some berbers and northalbanians hahahahaha he is just a ***** so stop with your pseduo-objective writting


    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    I see nothing wrong with connection between German and Iranian languages. There is an obvious connection.
    Stone age is a long period. What's your point? That E-V13 invented Albanian language after they broke up from North Africa? When would that be?
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    whats your point? you are talking nonsense not me
    a haplogroup invented a language??
    and albanians are not just e-v13 there are also other haplogroups

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Better read more threads and posts in the forum,
    i know exactly what i am talking about i am studying this stuff

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    Welcome to Eupedia, although I must ask you to mind your manners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    the albanian language is not a hybrid one it stayted almost the same for thousands of years that anicent scripts can still be translated in the today albanian language prooves this obviously
    I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are mistaken by a long shot.

    Cavalli-Sforza based that estimate on glottochronology, which is a completely flawed method. There is also no evidence that Albanian "stayed almost the same for thousands of years", on the very contrary, Albanian probably didn't look recognizably like modern Albanian until the start of the Middle Ages. Albanian borrowed large amounts of vocabulary from Greek, Latin, Gothic, Slavic and Turkish (in approximately that chronological order).

    All these "translations" of Etruscan in Albanian are based on magical word-dismantlement and make-believe. It's clear that Etruscan was a non-Indo-European language (while Albanian, in turn, is clearly Indo-European) and the two have no connection what so ever with each other. There is even an easy way to prove this: the Pyrgi tablet is a bilingual Etruscan-Phoenician inscription. Phoenician is a Semitic language - closely related with Hebrew, and so we know the content of the inscription. The Etruscan inscription should have the same, which is - even though not word-for-word, the case for the 'official' (scholarly) translation. I am still waiting for a 'translation' by those who who believe that Etruscan was Albanian, Slavic, Turkish (or whatever) that is not unintelligible gibberish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    the pelasgo-illyrians were not a nation like in the modern sense they even often killed each other
    but they were all connected in a big cultural family
    There were no "Pelasgo-Illyrians". This is a complete fabrication:

    - The Pelasgians in the sense of the ancient Greeks were either the earliest ancestors of the Greeks themselves, or the Pre-Greek inhabitants of Greece. They are not strictly speaking a historic people but more a semi-legendary one. At this point, we have no connection with the Albanians or the Albanian language.

    - The Illyrians were the tribes that inhabited the western Balkans in Antiquity. Their languages are poorly attested but one of them may have been the ancestor language of modern Albanian. There is no evidence they were connected in any way to the Pelasgians. It's also possible, instead, that Albanian is connected with the Dacian language.

    - In the linguistic sense, the term "Pelasgian" has been used to refer to Greek words that are of non-Greek origin, that is, words that Greek did not inherit from Proto-Indo-European. Many of these words - where it is known - are either of Anatolian (as in, the extinct Indo-European language family that includes Hittite) and Semitic origin. It is also probable that a number of the other are of Minoan origin, but we know too little about Minoan (the presumed language of Linear A) to know for sure. Anyways, there is no evidence of such "Pelasgian" words to be found in Albanian.

    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    i know exactly what i am talking about i am studying this stuff
    No offense, but you should really spend some time studying the basics of comparative linguistics instead, because you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    Welcome to Eupedia, although I must ask you to mind your manners.

    I am sorry to disappoint you, but you are mistaken by a long shot.
    thank you for welcoming me and no your opinon does not dissapoint me at all

    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    Cavalli-Sforza based that estimate on glottochronology, which is a completely flawed method. There is also no evidence that Albanian "stayed almost the same for thousands of years", on the very contrary, Albanian probably didn't look recognizably like modern Albanian until the start of the Middle Ages. Albanian borrowed large amounts of vocabulary from Greek, Latin, Gothic, Slavic and Turkish (in approximately that chronological order).
    i cant say much about his methods of cavalli-sforza but his not the only one which confirms the paleo-induoeuropean orgin of the albanian language i just posted him because he is the only one who named a number
    actually many ancient foundings like this one can be translated to the modern albanian
    no not really albanian has loanwords like any other language but the amount of it compared to the orginal albanian words is very slight

    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    All these "translations" of Etruscan in Albanian are based on magical word-dismantlement and make-believe. It's clear that Etruscan was a non-Indo-European language (while Albanian, in turn, is clearly Indo-European) and the two have no connection what so ever with each other. There is even an easy way to prove this: the Pyrgi tablet is a bilingual Etruscan-Phoenician inscription. Phoenician is a Semitic language - closely related with Hebrew, and so we know the content of the inscription. The Etruscan inscription should have the same, which is - even though not word-for-word, the case for the 'official' (scholarly) translation. I am still waiting for a 'translation' by those who who believe that Etruscan was Albanian, Slavic, Turkish (or whatever) that is not unintelligible gibberish.
    now you are talking nonsense what magical word-dismantlement? the words can be translated in modern albanian in the same notation
    clearly? not at all the indoeuropean theorie of the albanian language is heavily debated by linguists
    of course they have a connection and of three of the pygri tablets which were found only one is in phoenic the two others are etruscan and who says that the phoenic inscription is just a translation of the two etruscan ones if the "officials" dont know what it means?? lol
    you have your translation in albanian let me research a while i will post some sources

    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    There were no "Pelasgo-Illyrians". This is a complete fabrication:

    - The Pelasgians in the sense of the ancient Greeks were either the earliest ancestors of the Greeks themselves, or the Pre-Greek inhabitants of Greece. They are not strictly speaking a historic people but more a semi-legendary one. At this point, we have no connection with the Albanians or the Albanian language.
    i use "pelasgo-illyrian" as a hypernym fo all the members of this big paleo-induoeuropean or illyric family
    the word pelasgian was used by ancient writters to describe everything what is pre-hellenic and the only one who lived before the hellens there were the "pelasgian" so pre-helleinc illyrian-epiriotic tribes
    and of course we have a connection with the albanian one why do you talk without any knowlegde about the albanain language
    here you have it: http://books.google.de/books?id=IJ2s...ompare&f=false

    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    - The Illyrians were the tribes that inhabited the western Balkans in Antiquity. Their languages are poorly attested but one of them may have been the ancestor language of modern Albanian. There is no evidence they were connected in any way to the Pelasgians. It's also possible, instead, that Albanian is connected with the Dacian language.
    the borders of the illyrian tribes were never defiened exactly
    their tribes ruled over the whole balkan in the north, parts of austria were the panonians the adriactic venti and so on, in the south the epiriotic tribes and the mesapians in italy in the east the sub-illyrian branch of the thracians

    what we can say today is that all that "what we know" about the illyrio-thracian language can be perfectly connceted to the albanian one so their paleo-indeuropean or "pelasgian" connection can not be denied you can say maybe it was not like that but you can not prove it

    so what is dacian? it is a subbranch of the thracians and belongs to the illyrian-thracian language family

    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    - In the linguistic sense, the term "Pelasgian" has been used to refer to Greek words that are of non-Greek origin, that is, words that Greek did not inherit from Proto-Indo-European. Many of these words - where it is known - are either of Anatolian (as in, the extinct Indo-European language family that includes Hittite) and Semitic origin. It is also probable that a number of the other are of Minoan origin, but we know too little about Minoan (the presumed language of Linear A) to know for sure. Anyways, there is no evidence of such "Pelasgian" words to be found in Albanian.
    stop using the term greek as a synonym for hellen that is unprofesional greeks or newgreeks were formed 200 years ago their connection to the hellens is vague

    so again you just repeat me with other words
    we just know that pelasgian words were pre-hellenic so stop comming up with theories about hitties and minoans
    the hellens were formed through the mixture of paleo-indoeuropean tribes of the illyrian family like the dorians macedonians and other epiriots

    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    No offense, but you should really spend some time studying the basics of comparative linguistics instead, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
    really? after your post i would not dare to say that but whatever
    unlike you i know exactly what i am talking about

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    Attachment 5920

    i took this map from wiki
    the etruscans came from illyrian territory
    and look at their closeness to the veneti and liburni

    There were a number of peoples, of disputed Illyrian origins, that settled the eastern Italian coasts prior to the Iron Age, e.g. the Messapi, Iapyges, and Picenti. Strong similarities of proper names and artifacts regarding these tribes supports an Illyrian presence on the Italian coast, although, their languages appear to have been distinct from those of Illyria Proper (see Wilkes, Illyrians).
    from http://de.scribd.com/doc/15826619/Jo...-The-Illyrians
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Illyrians-.../dp/0631198075

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelti Albanoi View Post
    hahahahha no no no bosnians croatians have no right at all to connect theirself with the illyrians becuase they are culturally and genetically 100% slavic
    Without trying to be insulting, but this is as lame as talking to a third-grader.
    Congratulations AA, you've successfully sent this thread to a fairytale forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ike View Post
    Without trying to be insulting, but this is as lame as talking to a third-grader.
    Congratulations AA, you've successfully sent this thread to a fairytale forum.
    what you mean wihout insulting of course you try to insult me but in a very uncreative way
    who is from the balkans knows that southslavs have along history of trying to be illyrian in search for their identity
    just an example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_movement
    but no i am glad that most of you today accept their slavic orgin and dont try to be what they are not like them in fyrom

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    Sadly, but I really wasn't. It would be of great help if you would stop posting things like that on this thread.

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