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    THEY HAVE "DESTROYED" TO LOAD
    French farmers attack to a Spanish truck of vegetable next to La Junquera.

    Mundo. A truck loaded with vegetable proceeding from Spain has been attacked by a picket of French farmers in strike in the proximities of the Spanish border of The Rush.


    A truck loaded with vegetable proceeding from Spain has been attacked by a picket of French farmers in strike in the proximities of the Spanish border of The Rush, as there denounced the National Federation of Associations of Transport of Spain (Fenadismer), who makes sure that the assault has "destroyed" the load that was transporting the vehicle.

    According to management this one, the attack has provoked that the Mossos of Square were closing to the traffic for trucks of the freeway AP-7 in direction of France.

    Fenadismer has requested the Department of Promotion and the Department of Foreign Affairs that " acts with character of urgency " before the European and French institutions in order to catch the attacks that trucks that Spanish transport fruits and vegetables are receiving in France.

    In particular, the management one has urged the Spanish Executive whom it requests before the EU that " model sanctions are imposed against the authors of the assaults to Spanish trucks ", having considered that they commit an outrage against the freedom of persons' circulation and goods for Europe that guarantees the Agreement of Schengen.

    According to Fenadismer, these attacks take place annually in this epoch of the year, coinciding with the icy moment of the agrarian Spanish exports, " with the only purpose of harming the biggest competitiveness of the Spanish exports opposite to the agrarian products proceeding from the Gallic country ".

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    Very funny...

    Do you know WHY the french farmers do that?
    Of course your media don't talk about it...

    The Spanish farmers don't respect the European laws, they sell their vegetables at any price and it's forbidden in Europe!!!

    http://www.decideursenregion.fr/ile-...mion-de-fruits

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    Very funny...

    Do you know WHY the french farmers do that?
    Of course your media don't talk about it...

    The Spanish farmers don't respect the European laws, they sell their vegetables at any price and it's forbidden in Europe!!!

    http://www.decideursenregion.fr/ile-...mion-de-fruits

    http://www.abc.es/videos-espana/2011...346763001.html

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    French farmers detain the trucks with fruit proceeding from Spain
    0 ComentariosUn group of French farmers has managed to overturn a truck proceeding from Spain with a load full of fruit. As measurement of prevention the Mossos they have proceeded to close the traffic on the border for this type of vehicles. From France they complain about disloyal competition on the part of Spain for selling the products with very low prices. The Government affirms " not to be ready to withstand " the vuelco of goods and that will take measures



    Yes we know about what the French farmers complain. But to throw the meal is not ways of protesting and any more with the famine that there is in the world, Europe needs these vitamins.
    That lower the prices and raise us the salary.




    The Index of Prices in Origin and Destination, a report published by COAG with the UCE and Ceaccu, spills a few numbers this year so worrying as in the previous ones. It has not stopped spending one year in which the distinguishing one between the price of the food between origin and destination rises, but in particular this year there are some products star that have multiplied even for 10 times his value.
    Those that more have got dearer
    Between the products that this March more have risen there finds the cucumber 9,10 times more expensive for the final consumer from his price of origin, the courgette 7,41 times, the tomato 7,19 times and the lemon 7,4 times.
    The average
    In whole, the average of the products of the agriculture that are increasing his price during the intermediaries, during this March, has been 4,23 times. The distinguishing one that for COAG is untenable and that of not stopping by means of the European legislation or the proper one of our country, will provoke a major abandonment of the field and a major food dependency on third countries.

    Do the intermediaries steal us?

    Habitually we can listen to the agrarian lobby to protest for the infladísimos margins of benefit that the intermediaries obtain, on having acquired his products at a few prices misérrimos and they be resold the most expensive to the consumer. This way, for example, the Coordinating State one of Organizations of Farmers and Stockbreeders (COAG) does not hesitate to declare: " The intermediaries' chains usually obtain, without scarcely assuming risks, a margin of benefit that often 450 % overcomes ", and Eladio Aniorte, president of Young Farmers (Asaja) of Alicante, it raised the bet on having affirmed recently that sometimes these margins reach " 6.000 % ".

    With the accounts of 2008 in the hand, we see that the margins of benefit of the retailers (Mercadona, Eroski, Carrofour and El Corte Ingles) scarcely overcome 2 %; some of them, for example Eroski, lose money. The wholesalers (Mercamadrid and Mercabarna) present major margins of benefit (33 and 12 %), but in any case not too scandalous, especially when we put them as regards the capital that they use. And the fact is that, when we take the ROA, the authentic baremo of profitability of a business, we see that none is over 7,5 %, and that those of some, as Carrefour and El Corte Ingles, are very moderate (2,4 and 2,2 %).
    Is there great a ROA of 7,5 %? Bearing in mind that the nominal average profitability of the American bag throughout the XXth century was 10 %, enough normalita talks each other about a number, not outstanding at all. In fact, at the end of 2009 approximately a third of all the companies quoted in the United States had a ROA superior to 7,5 %.
    Finally, the profitabilities of the Spanish intermediaries are normal throwing casualties, and the extraordinary benefits do not appear by any side, unlike what the farmers denounce.

    Conclusion

    The demonización of the intermediaries is a strategy extended enough in the Spanish field to try to excuse the inefficiency of the proper sector. For years it turns out to be quite clear that in Spain farmers remain, which is translated in an excess of production and in a few low prices of selling. It is not a question of the intermediaries paying to them less than they should, in essence because they cannot pay to them much any more.

    Considering the scarce margins and the scarce valuations of profitability of our intermediaries, there is no any possibility of raising significantly the offered prices that the farmers receive. Higher offered prices would lead to the progressive failure and decapitalization of our intermediaries, which in the mid term would mean a minor volume of deals, lower offered prices and higher asked prices.
    Neither it seems possible that our intermediaries raise the prices for that they ask the consumers, in turn, to pay higher prices to the farmers. We have already seen that the prices do not depend on the costs, but the other way round, and that therefore it is not possible to raise in a supported way the price asked over the utility of the product.

    The field, therefore, needs an urgent restructuring, which does not have to happen for stealing the intermediaries. The margins that are trying to arbitrate – between the offered price and the average costs of the agriculture – some time ago that became closer and that should have stopped being exploited. They realize activities that do not satisfy the needs of the consumers.

    It is not a question of the farmers staying out of the society, but of any of them redeeming other functions, in those activities which margins are positive. Unfortunately, it seems that the strategy that they have adopted raisin for proclaiming that it departs from the margins of the intermediaries they belongs and, across so unjustified crying, to obtain all kinds of prebends. At least one notices that intervencionistas as Spanish have understood the functioning of political systems.

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    If he reads this article he will realize that the Spanish farmers cannot sell his most expensive products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlitos View Post
    Yes we know about what the French farmers complain. But to throw the meal is not ways of protesting and any more with the famine that there is in the world, Europe needs these vitamins.
    That lower the prices and raise us the salary.


    The kids in Central Europe are starving on the streets. But each time the Spanish send their vitamine aids, those French veggy-vandals throw all the truck loads on the road...
    And so that also poor people can afford these vitamines, the Spanish lower the prices, unlike the French, which makes the French jealous because they sell less...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mzungu mchagga View Post


    The kids in Central Europe are starving on the streets. But each time the Spanish send their vitamine aids, those French veggy-vandals throw all the truck loads on the road...
    And so that also poor people can afford these vitamines, the Spanish lower the prices, unlike the French, which makes the French jealous because they sell less...
    The solution is that the French farmers lower the prices if they want to compete with the Spanish production, in prices, since in quality they cannot.



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    The solution is that the French farmers lower the prices if they want to compete with the Spanish production, in prices
    It must be an European decision and not a Spanish one...
    And the French farmers will can't live with this kind of prices...

    since in quality they cannot
    And after you say we are arrogant
    If they are exceptionals and better than ours, why they don't sell their vegetables at the same price than the French products?

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    Just give the price decisions in hands of free market. In most of the cases it works better than prices and decisions set by bureaucrats.

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    Great picture Carlitos, but it doesn't beat this one Brezhniev/Honecker.


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    Just give the price decisions in hands of free market.
    Europe isn't a free market...
    Rules exist and we have to follow the rules, the Spanish and the French...

    In most of the cases it works better than prices and decisions set by bureaucrats
    This isn't our point of view...
    We want a equitable market...
    Free market, for agriculture, is the best way to MASS production, and it's the opposite of quality...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    It must be an European decision and not a Spanish one...
    And the French farmers will can't live with this kind of prices...

    And the Spanish farmers cannot live if they sell his most expensive products.

    And after you say we are arrogant
    If they are exceptionals and better than ours, why they don't sell their vegetables at the same price than the French products?
    0h! yes! France and Spain look alike more than the people believe.

    They are exceptional, but they cannot sell more expensive than France: you have not done the duties!, I put the linkage, it is not difficult to translate it so much with the wonderful cybernetic translators, thanks to them you have known of my existence, otherwise you would never have known that Carlitos existed.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    Great picture Carlitos, but it doesn't beat this one Brezhniev/Honecker.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gavroche View Post
    Very funny...

    Do you know WHY the french farmers do that?
    Of course your media don't talk about it...

    The Spanish farmers don't respect the European laws, they sell their vegetables at any price and it's forbidden in Europe!!!

    http://www.decideursenregion.fr/ile-...mion-de-fruits
    The Spanish farmers sell their vegetables at the prices big distribution chains like French Carrefour want to pay. There is nothing illegal about that,unless you can prove to the contrary. Are those French bandoleros also judges to decide what is illegal and what isn't? I can assure you Spanish farmers won't refuse to sell their products at higher prices if they could. If I'm not mistaken Europe is a free market, so why are the French attaking the Spanish trucks from time to time like vulgar terrorists? National protectionism kills Europe.

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    The French farmer lobby is still very much alive and kicking, but its leaders know their days are numbered since countries like Poland and Bulgaria are now in the EU and can provide high quality products at a fraction of their prices (but Polish farmers don't drive Mercedes cars...). You can expect more trouble in the coming year as the new reform of the CAP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_Policy) is due before the end of 2013 and will surely see a dramatic drop of the subsidies and grants allowed to french farmers, who will not pass on the chance to demonstrate and blame Brussels for every evil under the sun.

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    We are fixed, are going to see great vegetable thrown by the soils and while Somalia a country without government I do not even exercise dying of famine, while there pillage his fishing grounds countries as France and Spain and others and throw even nuclear garbage on his coasts of unpunished form making use that is a country without government or army: who are the authentic pirates?

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