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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    I think there is a virb in Albania meaning warm or Hot like ziez or ziej
    and in Greek ζεω zeo
    Is 'ziej' and means 'boil'. 'warm' is 'i ngrohtë (adj)' and 'hot' is 'i nxehtë (adj)'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endri View Post
    Is 'ziej' and means 'boil'. 'warm' is 'i ngrohtë (adj)' and 'hot' is 'i nxehtë (adj)'
    as you see Armenian jerm Dacian Germ Greek therm Zeo, zemat- Albanian Ziej share a common root which connects at temperature and warming,

    the exact meaning many times times change through time but similar remain
    ΟΘΕΝ ΑΙΔΩΣ OY EINAI
    ΑΤΗ ΛΑΜΒΑΝΕΙΝ ΑΥΤΟΙΣ
    ΥΒΡΙΣ ΓΕΝΝΑΤΑΙ
    ΝΕΜΕΣΙΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣΗ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΟΥΣΙ ΔΕ

    When there is no shame
    Divine blindness conquers them
    Hybris (abuse, opprombium) is born
    Nemesis and punishment follows.

    Εχε υπομονη Ηρωα
    Η τιμωρια δεν αργει.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    as you see Armenian jerm Dacian Germ Greek therm Zeo, zemat- Albanian Ziej share a common root which connects at temperature and warming,

    the exact meaning many times times change through time but similar remain
    I think this words connect through PIE and maybe Taranis can help us more with this, though i've always thought was or is a Turkish loan word.

    Also Diurpaneus, can you provide us with a sort of vocabulary of Albanian and Romanian similar words cause the only word i know is 'copil'-'child/small kid' romanian and 'kopil'-'illegitimate child' albanian.
    Last edited by Endri; 17-12-11 at 00:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endri View Post
    I think this words connect through PIE and maybe Taranis can help us more with this, though i've always thought was or is a Turkish loan word.

    Also Diurpaneus, can you provide us with a sort of vocabulary of Albanian and Romanian similar words cause the only word i know is 'copil' romanian and 'kopil' albanian.
    No it is not Turkish but IE compare ancient Goddes Estia in Kallas Zestia etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endri View Post

    Also Diurpaneus, can you provide us with a sort of vocabulary of Albanian and Romanian similar words cause the only word i know is 'copil'-'child/small kid' romanian and 'kopil'-'illegitimate child' albanian.


    Romanian-Albanian

    baltă - balt(ovin)ë= lake,puddle, swamp
    buză - buzë= lips
    boier - bujar= noble
    brazdă - brazdë= furrow
    brumă - brymë= frost
    căciulă - kësulë= cap
    căpuşă - këpushë= tick
    cătun - katund= village
    ceafă - qafë= neck
    cioară - sorrë= crow
    creier - kre(u)= brain
    moş - (i) (mosh-ë)uar= old man
    rază - rreze= ray of light
    zână - zanë= fairy
    viezure - vjedhull= badger
    vatră - vatër= hearth


    Read "ă" like Albanian "ë" .

    There is much more Endri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurpaneus View Post
    Romanian-Albanian

    baltă - balt(ovin)ë= lake,puddle, swamp
    buză - buzë= lips
    boier - bujar= noble
    brazdă - brazdë= furrow
    brumă - brymë= frost
    căciulă - kësulë= cap
    căpuşă - këpushë= tick
    cătun - katund= village
    ceafă - qafë= neck
    cioară - sorrë= crow
    creier - kre(u)= brain
    moş - (i) (mosh-ë)uar= old man
    rază - rreze= ray of light
    zână - zanë= fairy
    viezure - vjedhull= badger
    vatră - vatër= hearth


    Read "ă" like Albanian "ë" .

    There is much more Endri.
    Yes, i did a bit of researche and found some, though some words, idk if on purpose or by mistake cause they don't know albanian very well had some letters shifted, also i noticed was that most of the Romanian /s/ has shifted into the albanian /sh/ and not /s/ in these common words.

    Exp:
    'scrum' (ashes)-'shkrumb' (burned to the ground) 'ashes' is 'hi' in albanian (and is not read as english HI!)
    'sterp' (sterile)-'shtërp' (sterile)
    'stăghiată' (storm)-'shtëngatë' (storm)

    Though there are words like:

    'şale' (hips)-'shalë' (thighs) and 'daş' (goat)-'dash' (goat)

    PS: 'kre(u)' means (head/first but not like human head though that might have been it's first meaning but like "The head of the race"-"Kreu i garës" thus the verb 'kryesoj'-(take the) 'lead'). 'Brain' is 'Tru(ri)' (in brackets is the definite form of the noun)

    PPS: Actually just 'moş' in albanian means 'age' (Exp: "My age is..."-"Mosha ime është..."), thus the words like 'moshatar' (same age) and 'i/e moshuar' (old people).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurpaneus View Post
    Romanian-Albanian

    baltă - balt(ovin)ë= lake,puddle, swamp
    buză - buzë= lips
    boier - bujar= noble
    brazdă - brazdë= furrow
    brumă - brymë= frost
    căciulă - kësulë= cap
    căpuşă - këpushë= tick
    cătun - katund= village
    ceafă - qafë= neck
    cioară - sorrë= crow
    creier - kre(u)= brain
    moş - (i) (mosh-ë)uar= old man
    rază - rreze= ray of light
    zână - zanë= fairy
    viezure - vjedhull= badger
    vatră - vatër= hearth


    Read "ă" like Albanian "ë" .

    There is much more Endri.
    First 3 you can cross off the list. They have slavic etymology.
    balta - all slavic bolto - same meaning
    buza - slavic buzia, buza - same meaning, IE origin Latin - bucca
    boier - bojar - root boj means war in all slavic, bojar means warrior. In feudal times only noble class were warriors, unlike peasants, hens the transition into noble class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    boier - bojar - root boj means war in all slavic, bojar means warrior. In feudal times only noble class were warriors, unlike peasants, hens the transition into noble class.
    This word is actually quite interesting. While it usually is considered of Turkic etymology (compare modern Turkish "bol" - "abundant, plentiful"), but I remember that how-yes-no attempted to link it with the Celtic tribal name "Boii". The problem is that this in turn is derived from PIE *gwous (compare English "cow", Old Irish "bó"), and the *gw > *b is a Celtic development. To my knowledge, there is no native cognate in the Slavic languages, but if there was, it would be similar to Latvian 'govs'. In other words, the word must be a loanword either way. The Celtic name "Boii" is usually interpreted as "cattle owners", which would be weird (but not unconceivable) to be shifted to "noble". The question is, how likely is it that the Proto-Slavs had contact with Celts (especially the Boii), and where? In the end, I think that the Turkic etymology is the more likely one because the oldest form is recorded with an "l".

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    First 3 you can cross off the list. They have slavic etymology.
    balta - all slavic bolto - same meaning
    buza - slavic buzia, buza - same meaning, IE origin Latin - bucca
    boier - bojar - root boj means war in all slavic, bojar means warrior. In feudal times only noble class were warriors, unlike peasants, hens the transition into noble class.

    Also, since it seems i missed it, 'bujar' in albanian doesn't mean 'noble' or any thing related to it. It means 'generous' while 'noble' is 'fisnik'. Also i've always thought 'bujar' was a Turkish loan word...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    This word is actually quite interesting. While it usually is considered of Turkic etymology (compare modern Turkish "bol" - "abundant, plentiful"), but I remember that how-yes-no attempted to link it with the Celtic tribal name "Boii". The problem is that this in turn is derived from PIE *gwous (compare English "cow", Old Irish "bó"), and the *gw > *b is a Celtic development. To my knowledge, there is no native cognate in the Slavic languages, but if there was, it would be similar to Latvian 'govs'. In other words, the word must be a loanword either way. The Celtic name "Boii" is usually interpreted as "cattle owners", which would be weird (but not unconceivable) to be shifted to "noble". The question is, how likely is it that the Proto-Slavs had contact with Celts (especially the Boii), and where? In the end, I think that the Turkic etymology is the more likely one because the oldest form is recorded with an "l".
    maybe you should also add the Greek words Βους Βολος Βουκολος (Vous Volos Voukolos ) meaning ox, Bull, Breeder,
    which probably existed at Thracians as similar sounds (suppose)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    maybe you should also add the Greek words Βους Βολος Βουκολος (Vous Volos Voukolos ) meaning ox, Bull, Breeder,
    which probably existed at Thracians as similar sounds (suppose)
    Yes, this is correct. Though you should consider that it probably was something akin to *γϝους (gwous) in Mycenean Greek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    First 3 you can cross off the list. They have slavic etymology.
    balta - all slavic bolto - same meaning
    buza - slavic buzia, buza - same meaning, IE origin Latin - bucca
    boier - bojar - root boj means war in all slavic, bojar means warrior. In feudal times only noble class were warriors, unlike peasants, hens the transition into noble class.

    There are some Dacian/Thracian names who might be connected to "boier",
    Towns:Buridava,Buricodava
    Buris, Bourkentios(Thracian names)
    Burebista(also Boirebista), a Dacian king.The proposed translation is"rich possessor"
    bhuri(Sanskrit)= abundant, rich
    vista(Old Iranian)=possessor
    Buri- a Dacian Tribe
    Albanian burre=man, husband
    There are many words in Romanian borrowed from Slavic but who have much more meanings,and are used in many expressions too.
    for example:
    zori=dawn, light,kind of dance,to rush, to increase speed,to walk fast, to alert
    from Slavic" Zorja"
    Many animal and plant names contains "balta"
    Trestia de balta=cane
    Lupul baltii=pike(fish) etc

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    It is not Turkic word from Turkey. First Bulgarian records show "boila" for description of nobles in 10 century. Turks came to Turkey in 11 century.
    It might make sense if Huns or Avars spoke turkic and introduced the term over slavs, as a ruling elite. But I'm not sure if they spoke turkic.
    It is a possibility that Bulgars brought it to the Balkans. If they spoke Iranian the word could have been related to slavic anyway. If they were Turkic speakers then it is easy to conclude that it is turkic.
    I'm sure that word "bojar, boyar" was popularized by Bulgarian Empire, and then by orthodox christianity spread over slavic countries. Title Car (Tzar) for rulers is a similar example of Bulgarian Empire influence.
    Neither Car nor Bojar took hold in catholic-slavic nations.

    The reason that I’m not too crazy about slavic origin forBojar is the ending “ar” Car is a shortform of latin Cezar, but why boila became boilar or boyar. Unless one was plural the other singular,though still doesn’t sound like slavic grammar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    It is not Turkic word from Turkey. First Bulgarian records show "boila" for description of nobles in 10 century. Turks came to Turkey in 11 century.
    It might make sense if Huns or Avars spoke turkic and introduced the term over slavs, as a ruling elite. But I'm not sure if they spoke turkic.
    It is a possibility that Bulgars brought it to the Balkans. If they spoke Iranian the word could have been related to slavic anyway. If they were Turkic speakers then it is easy to conclude that it is turkic.
    I'm sure that word "bojar, boyar" was popularized by Bulgarian Empire, and then by orthodox christianity spread over slavic countries. Title Car (Tzar) for rulers is a similar example of Bulgarian Empire influence.
    Neither Car nor Bojar took hold in catholic-slavic nations.

    The reason that I’m not too crazy about slavic origin forBojar is the ending “ar” Car is a shortform of latin Cezar, but why boila became boilar or boyar. Unless one was plural the other singular,though still doesn’t sound like slavic grammar.
    LeBrok, I carefully worded things as "Turkic" and not "Turkish", and merely gave the word from the modern-day Turkish language word as an example of a probable cognate.

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    No, no, it wasn't against you. Lot's of thinking out loud, and voicing a concern that if it was turkic it wasn't from Ottoman Empire occupation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    No, no, it wasn't against you. Lot's of thinking out loud, and voicing a concern that if it was turkic it wasn't from Ottoman Empire occupation.
    I think you know that para-Turks came to Europe centuries before Turks in minor Asia
    Oghurs Tatars are considered from same family of Turks

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeBrok View Post
    No, no, it wasn't against you. Lot's of thinking out loud, and voicing a concern that if it was turkic it wasn't from Ottoman Empire occupation.
    Well, the Turkic languages are all fairly similar to each other. The difference between Turkish and Uighur is maybe the same as between Spanish and Italian. The only real outlier is the Chuvash language.

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    Bumping an ancient topic, but I only joined here for the linguistic section
    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    Arbanitan Konga konge means holy land in Albanian language
    Where did you hear/read that? 'vend i shenjtë' is the correct translation, 'këngë'/'kanga' means 'song'
    *karpa to cut, stone karpe, karma (*karp-m-) 'stone' (Albanian)
    OK
    Albanian Duch???? Duchani
    'tym' is the word for 'smoke'
    compare bucuresti with Albanian word Bukur both means beatiful
    Alb. 'beautiful', Rom.'happy' if I checked it right
    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    here is something amusing:I was glossing through some more Albanian and Romanian words, and I found a number of "false signals" that are actually words common to both languages, but clearly not of Dacian origin. For example for "boot":Albanian "Çizme" - Romanian "Cizma" ("Çizme" in Turkish)Given additional Slavic borrowings (in addition to Turkish), we must eliminate a lot of words there, I assume.
    It's the Balkan Sprachbund. Part of it are words of Turkish origin. All Balkan countries have the same words from Turkish, but the majority of them are not in use anymore, mostly because they're substituted by neologisms, or loans from other languages, or even words not used for a long time usually found written somewhere. Some of them have remained, because they couldn't be substituted.
    Quote Originally Posted by how yes no 2 View Post
    Btw. idea of Cuman - Albanian connection I did see somewhere on net some time ago... I think it may be truth only partially, only regarding origin of tribal names, as Albanians seems to have very Balkan genetics..
    bit.ly/2kIJjf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zemra View Post
    Bumping an ancient topic, but I only joined here for the linguistic sectionWhere did you hear/read that? 'vend i shenjtë' is the correct translation, 'këngë'/'kanga' means 'song'OK'tym' is the word for 'smoke'Alb.
    Search how Arbanites named the monasteries. both in messologgi and in Suli is Κιουγκι wchich is simmilar with Dacian Konga except if you don't conside Arbanitew as Albanian linguistic group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    as you see Armenian jerm Dacian Germ Greek therm Zeo, zemat- Albanian Ziej share a common root which connects at temperature and warming,the exact meaning many times times change through time but similar remain
    The word "ziej" can also be found inside another word which is "nxeht" which means "warm" with t same sound correspondance of "zi" (black) and "nxi" (turn black). The strange thing is the /h/ in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yetos View Post
    Search how Arbanites named the monasteries. both in messologgi and in Suli is Κιουγκι wchich is simmilar with Dacian Konga except if you don't conside Arbanitew as Albanian linguistic group.
    It's Albanian with lots of Greek influence. I couldn't find what you asked, mind if you gave me a link?
    Quote Originally Posted by 8mike View Post
    The word "ziej" can also be found inside another word which is "nxeht" which means "warm" with t same sound correspondance of "zi" (black) and "nxi" (turn black). The strange thing is the /h/ in the end.
    Are you talking about 'h' in 'nxehtë'? Probably a dialectal variation. It's silent when it's spoken in some areas. It's a similar case with "yll" and "hyll" (star). The standard is "yll", but some areas pronounce it as "hyll". "Hyll" should be the correct form considering the origin of the word. So the standard and the common pronunciation often change from each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taranis View Post
    This word is actually quite interesting. While it usually is considered of Turkic etymology (compare modern Turkish "bol" - "abundant, plentiful"), but I remember that how-yes-no attempted to link it with the Celtic tribal name "Boii". The problem is that this in turn is derived from PIE *gwous (compare English "cow", Old Irish "bó"), and the *gw > *b is a Celtic development. To my knowledge, there is no native cognate in the Slavic languages, but if there was, it would be similar to Latvian 'govs'. In other words, the word must be a loanword either way. The Celtic name "Boii" is usually interpreted as "cattle owners", which would be weird (but not unconceivable) to be shifted to "noble". The question is, how likely is it that the Proto-Slavs had contact with Celts (especially the Boii), and where? In the end, I think that the Turkic etymology is the more likely one because the oldest form is recorded with an "l".
    I have always wondered if that is also the source of albanian "ka" (ox) and "gul" (hornless ox)

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    there is also the christianity times,
    remamber that original Slavic cultures are the ones who connected with CYrillic Alphabet.
    perhaps a full slavonization had happened that times, or a reform and reconstruction of ancient languages,

    just think of a rulling class that promotes the bible and an alphabet in tribal, same time, that creates a literature same time all the area of expand that have a common basis of language and written, the more powerfull the reform of cyrillic the more results,

    just think in Alaska what had happened, in some islands people still speak Russian although in USA,
    the cyrillic eliminated many pre-slavic and forced a united Slavic culture,
    that means that differences from Samara, Urals to Croatia differences should have been bigger, but cyrillic flat them all, and bring closer the language,
    Christianity was not the "1. slavic culture". My grand grand mother was still a priestess of old Slavic faith (no neo pagan nonsense). She said that people were forced into it (Christianity), otherwise they were killed. Part of the nation switched into Bogomilism (there exist fairy tales about "last Cathars in France" and other nonsense; the latest Cathars lived in Bosnia), and were extremelly ascetic. "Their women were constantly jumping to achieve the special state of mind...". This has 0 to do with "culture" but with parasitism, which was established by Hebrews and Greeks and Romans with their artificial Osirian and Sethanic cults assimilating original elements of foreign nations. Christianity is parasitism. And all Slavs should ban it. I am glad it is dying in Europe already. Stalin should have burn and destroy all churches when he was still alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by how yes no 2 View Post
    yes, in narrow sense of the word....


    hm, let's see whether there is link between moon and Serians/Zeruiani

    could Zeruiani mean Zoryani - people of Zorya (Zorya/Zora = dawn)


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zorya

    hm, home at Bouyan
    homeland of Serbs Boika

    in home of Zorya are: Sun and North, West and East winds



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemoi


    Zoraya representative of Zeruiani/Serians maps to Eos godess of dawn - mother of winds...
    winds are:
    east - Eurus (maps to Russians)
    north - Borea (maps to Prussia/Borussia)
    west - Zephyrus (maps to Serbs)
    and his son Carpus (maps to Croats)
    winds are in latin known as Venti (maps to Veneti)

    as I explained earlier in this thread, Borea is still in Thrace, Hyperboreans are north of Borea thus Dacians... Hyperboreans are linked to Leto (clearly reflected in tribal names Lithuanians and Latvians (in Serbia Latvia is called Letonija))

    now about moon...



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zorya




    I edited later... take a look some interesting links...
    Totally correct. Here I am giving you the map of 'Hyperborea' (note that people used to call their cities and names as "Bor"; like Branibor (an original name for Brandenburg) for example); which is: a Pine tree (marking a biocenosis of northern Taiga); the Pine tree in English as a word derives from Hunnic (fen, fenyő; penyo; pine) as the land which was still described that way until ca 1771, in Encyclopedia Brittanica



    Note: "Novogardis" = Novgrad or Novgorod or Novgard (Gard or Gorod was old HyperBorean name for Grad).
    It was a place above the rivers: Don ("Tannis fl" above), Dniester, Dnieper, Donava (Danube) and Tula. All those names contain the root DN which means "Don" , Dan (Dien) or "Dawn".


    Russians from 13-14th century "AD" (no Vikings), location: ca 20 km from north pole







    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...per-masks.html

    Note: "historians" paranoically seek the "proof" of Persians, Italians, Greeks, Celts and Germans in current Northern pole of Russia in 14th century AD, without any success...
    These people were the Hyperboreans, old Slavs (Russian Veneti).

    Regards to Zorya, you mentioned, it was simply one of 3 sisters of the Hyperborean (northern) sky. Her second sister was Vechernica, which means "Evening" star), and 3rd sister was Severnitsa or "Northern (star)", this is the Polaris. Second meaning of Danica or Zorya or Zoritsa or Dana (this is also Irish name for Danu; "Tuatha de Danu"; where Tuatha means "people" - the word remained in Slavic as Detha or Detsa; "children" (ancestry; descendants) of Danica (Danitsa)) was SARASWATI. The transliteration of this word is wrong in Hindi (Hindu); because it derives from Zorya or Zora (Dana) or Surya सूर्य as ZARA-SWATA or Zvetana (Svetana), श्वेतना; Svati; Svata श्वेत ; where Svet is "world" and "white"; hence "white bird Swan.



    She is playing on an instrument called Veena ( ВИНА ) which simply derives from ZoryaVina, from this came an occult word "Seraph" or Seraphim in later Bible... And from Zorya or Saraswati came "Sarah", wife of "Abraham"(inverted Brahma(n))... (note that Bible contains old perverted/inverted Slavic & Sanskrit words; this includes "Rephaim, RaphaEL" (Ravanas), Nephilims (Navin from Nav (Niflheim)...), etc, etc
    Zorya was a daughter of Lady Lada (lads; "young"; mLada; vLada (government)). Ladoga (Ladyoga; Ladyaga; Yaga Lade; Ladya; "ship") is named after her. The river Lybid - "swan" (in current Ukraine) carries the name of the of prince Kij ("bat, scepter"); where city "Kiev" comes from (pre Riurikan Kniaz; Konyaz; Volhv)...

    I hope I have showed you few Hyperborean 'secrets' to you, and reasons why was so important to destroy it under so caled "Christian culture"...
    You know (remember) and understand these things, "@how yes no 2".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vedun View Post
    This has 0 to do with "culture" but with parasitism, which was established by Hebrews and Greeks and Romans with their artificial Osirian and Sethanic cults assimilating original elements of foreign nations. Christianity is parasitism. And all Slavs should ban it. I am glad it is dying in Europe already. Stalin should have burn and destroy all churches when he was still alive.
    Eye for an eye... You are as tolerant in your religion as Christians were to Pagans, but somehow you feel so superior.

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