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    Do you believe in a God(s)?





    It would be interesting to see how many people believe in a god but perhaps don't follow a formal religion.
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    Of course i bellieve in me......absurd question...

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    in 1 god or many?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    in 1 god or many?
    all religions believe in the one god.........if there is more than 1 god, we better start praying to the ancient greek and roman ones then

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    all religions believe in the one god.........if there is more than 1 god, we better start praying to the ancient greek and roman ones then
    Absolutelt agree!

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    all religions believe in the one god.........
    Polytheistic religions?
    Buddhism, Shinto, Chinese religion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    all religions believe in the one god.........if there is more than 1 god, we better start praying to the ancient greek and roman ones then

    well some off us never stop.

    in fact Europe in many areas is Turning Pagan while in south polytheistic,

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    preached and institutionalized religions are typically turning into some black and white painted ideological forms that tend to lose original essence....

    religion raises from our need to have solid basis for our arguments and viewpoints...
    question is why is acknowledging lack of knowledge and insight about essence of world not sufficient? why do we need to believe this or that?

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    Religions caused more pain than any human can bear.

    If there is a God, he should be punished for what he has done.

    Humans are naturally friendly towards each other, in history religions were created to set people against each other.

    There is no God, we are travelling on a lonely planet called Earth.

    The entire Cosmos makes no sense at all... We are ALONE!
    GOD has left us!

    WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES!
    SO STOP ALL WARS!

    Start to be friends!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaert View Post
    we are travelling on a lonely planet called Earth.

    The entire Cosmos makes no sense at all... We are ALONE!
    GOD has left us!

    WE HAVE TO DO IT OURSELVES!
    SO STOP ALL WARS!

    Start to be friends!
    hmmm you should listen Orphic Hymns

    it says it better

    ' from a dark cave were 'white' water drops hot, Moirai, put me (exit me) to a sky lagoon'

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    I do believe in a God, I have reason to believe, and he handed me renouncing the world and their things.

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    Well, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

    If there is one thing I believe in it's probably Gaia. Mother Earth. And Father Sun.

    I read the bogus about global warming.
    Now that the sun is dropping activity, temperatures on earth will sink..
    Well well.. We have seen that before!

    Don't believe anything others tell you.
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    The nicest way to describe God is from John Lennon:

    "God is a concept, by which we measure our pain!"

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    Today many have a religion lies of climate change, "virus" of AIDS. However I do not think God is pain, rather man is pain.

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    It is interesting that the christian/jewish/islamic god has the faults of a human, being jealous and vengeful, seems to me that a god who has the power to create a universe and all in it wouldn't have any handicaps himself. Man created god in his own image.

    But he is a useful scapegoat, most human excesses can be justified in his name and all the ills in the world can be laid at his door. Man doesn't even need to take responsibility for his own actions.
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    Nicely summed up Antigone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    Polytheistic religions?
    Buddhism, Shinto, Chinese religion...
    Technically Buddhism has no god (except in some Mahayana sects which imported Hindu deities) and Shinto only has spirits of nature (+ deified Japanese emperors, but that's really just a status, it doesn't confer them any power usually associated with gods).

    By Chinese religion, I suppose that you mean Taoism.
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    Sorry Maciamo, my English is too poor, i have to write in French...

    Technically Buddhism has no god (except in some Mahayana sects which imported Hindu deities)
    Pourtant, les origines du Bouddhisme font références à des Dieux et à des Démons...
    Je suis d'accord avec le fait qu'ils ne font pas parti de la pratique de cette religion, mais ils sont bien présents.
    Et c'est pour éviter tout fanatisme ou toutes formes de sectarisme que Bouddha déclara qu'il ne fallait vénérer aucuns Dieux d'aucune sorte, mais suivre ses préceptes afin de favoriser l'élévation de leurs âmes (ce qui est loin d'être bête au vue des dérives du Christianisme)...

    Shinto only has spirits of nature (+ deified Japanese emperors, but that's really just a status, it doesn't confer them any power usually associated with gods).
    Mais ces "Esprits de la nature" ne sont-ils pas vénérés?
    On leur offre des offrandes et reçoivent leurs petite prières, non?
    Ils peuvent très bien être assimilé à des dieux, comme le montre beaucoup de film Japonais ("Princess Mononoke", "Le voyage de Shihiro" ou "Pompoko") dans lesquels ils sont nommés "Dieux", "Esprits de la nature" et même "Dieux de la nature" par moment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    Pourtant, les origines du Bouddhisme font références à des Dieux et à des Démons...
    Je suis d'accord avec le fait qu'ils ne font pas parti de la pratique de cette religion, mais ils sont bien présents.
    Et c'est pour éviter tout fanatisme ou toutes formes de sectarisme que Bouddha déclara qu'il ne fallait vénérer aucuns Dieux d'aucune sorte, mais suivre ses préceptes afin de favoriser l'élévation de leurs âmes (ce qui est loin d'être bête au vue des dérives du Christianisme)...
    You said it yourself, Buddha asked not to worship any god. He was himself born a Hindu, so obviously the origins of Buddhism are linked to Hinduism, just like Christianity originated from Judaism. But true Buddhism is an atheistic philosophy.

    Quote Originally Posted by VonRoust View Post
    Mais ces "Esprits de la nature" ne sont-ils pas vénérés?
    On leur offre des offrandes et reçoivent leurs petite prières, non?
    Ils peuvent très bien être assimilé à des dieux, comme le montre beaucoup de film Japonais ("Princess Mononoke", "Le voyage de Shihiro" ou "Pompoko") dans lesquels ils sont nommés "Dieux", "Esprits de la nature" et même "Dieux de la nature" par moment...
    It's not because something or someone is worshipped that they are gods. You can worship a musician, an actor, an athlete, a scientist, a philosopher, but that just makes them idols, not gods. It's the same with Shintoism. Trees and waterfalls are worshipped, but aren't gods. I know Japanese culture and language well enough to assert that it is a mistake (but a common one) to always translate the Japanese word kami (神) by god. Sometimes it means 'god' (for Japanese Christians, but then they say kami-sama and not just kami), but when talking about Shintoism or Buddhism it only means "object of worship" or "idol".

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    I myself is a total freethinker, don't care about god and never was in church. But have nothing against moderately religious people.
    Communists in Russia tried to get rid from religion, but all their efforts have failed despite on the harsh methods. Probably because the church meets the needs of a particular segment of the population, so these people will always need in the church.
    Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institution, but dangerouse then it has too much influence on the state. Like in dark ages when Europe was a backward place, unscientific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton, Bear's den View Post
    Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institution, but dangerouse then it has too much influence on the state. Like in dark ages when Europe was a backward place, unscientific.
    I agree, I was brought up Catholic but even as a very young child I never believed the stories in the bible anymore than I believed in magic. The moral aspect was probably the only remaining influence on my life from religion which has only been positive.

    I have to say I am suprised the vote is so far 100% no!

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    Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institution
    I think it was necessary...

    Now we have free education, and we live in democratical countries which teach us our history...

    When people was illiterates, religions showed us the difference between "good" and "evil", but we are in 2011, and our generation have learned the worst moments of humanity, it increase our morality and help us to understand our past mistakes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anton, Bear's den View Post
    Church also gives basic human values ​​and moral sense, so it's necessary institution, but dangerouse then it has too much influence on the state. Like in dark ages when Europe was a backward place, unscientific.
    Every religion has a point of truth, and a Humanistic Idea of rules and Peace.
    But when clerics enter religion, then we have a corporation, the 'CHURCH' unlimited corporation,
    in dark ages that corporation served the rich and the strong, (at least the heads of the church)
    so any new idea or any new model that could change the rulers class should be punished,
    the greek word was ΕΛΕΩ ΘΕΟΥ (god's mercy), that means that even some kings were obliged to church who chrismate them.
    even kings should obey a cleric,
    so the religious people created a corporation that with fear of God ruled upon them,
    from religion to church there is a huge gasp,
    the one god for all humans in christian religion,
    became god is with our side, and wars broke in name of god with out participation of god,
    just think a war in europe. one cleric blessing the ones and another the others and both say God is with us,

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    Quote Originally Posted by edao View Post

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    and homo erectus looks nice in it.

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    Psychoanalysts would say that the need for a god is a need for a father figure representing authority, justice and knowledge. Children have their parents to look up to. Adults find solace in inventing an omniscient, omnipresent god in their minds, someone that knows every little detail of their existence, so that their life wasn't spent on Earth in vain an forgotten forever after they die. The need for god is also a need for immortality, the hope for a life after death, and an answer to the question "why are we alive?"

    Believing in god is an easy way to dismiss one's doubts and questions about our existence. But that doesn't make it more real. In polytheist or monotheist religion gods are depicted as human-like, if not physically (I am referring to Islam here), at least in character. Why would a god have feelings, emotions, thoughts or anything else that is typical of an material animal brain ? Believing in a god with human/animal characteristics is flagrantly denying that we humans are merely biochemical beings, the result of billions of years of evolution, the fruit of our DNA.

    One cannot believe in god and in evolution/genetics at the same time. They are completely incompatible concepts. If one doesn't "believe" in genetics, they must reject the whole of science altogether. Genetics is a combination of biology and chemistry, and chemistry is a natural extension of physics, itself an application of mathematics to the way the universe functions. Believing in god is tantamount to spitting in the face of science and mathematics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iapetoc View Post
    Every religion has a point of truth, and a Humanistic Idea of rules and Peace.
    Nothing prevents anyone from taking all the elements of truth and wisdom they find in various religions, and throw away the rest, god(s) included.

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