The Haplogroup E in Europe.

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Excellent posts as always Ferreira... showing the world how the real spaniards look.

It's unfortunate that the rest of your countrymen can't assume that they are magrebian and gypsies for a great part.
 
You'd like to be on the truth, but you don't. Spaniards score more European Autosomal-DNA than other Europeans. It's time to go out for a walk and see Dodecad averages. You'll learn much more, and realise how clueless you were.

If you don't take this conclusion, the only posible answer is that your are just a t.r.o.l.l.
 
@ Ferreira

I'll tell you why (and this is a repeat) the Muslim occupation had such little impact on Iberia genetically: the Muslim invaders were small in number and, for the most part, did not settle. They were a small ruling minority that controlled only specific parts of the Iberian Peninsula. Muslims didn't dominate for 700 years; nothing near that. In addition, in the end, what remained of this element was eventually expelled. In Portugal, expulsion began in the 1200's and in Spain 250-300 years later. By comparison, the Proto-Celts and Celts settled in large numbers and remained in Iberia for well over 1,000 years. At one time, 75% of Iberia was populated by Celtic tribes. The Germanics, in particular the Visitgoths, Suevi and Buri, also settled and mixed with the local population. However, they amounted to only 400,000 to 500,000 at settlement high point, far less than the Celts.

Indigenous Spaniards and Portuguese are not genetically related or phenotypically similar to North Africans / Arabs for the simple reason that these groups do not comprise part of the Iberian genetic substratum, i.e., Paleolithic, Proto Celtic, Celtic, Germanic, with some minor Mediterranean influences.

Time to give up your childish, disingenuous crusade against Spaniards.
 
BTW folks elevated levels of E3b (M-81) is found in parts of N. Wales, in percentages exceeding those recorded among the Pasiegos of Asturias. There is an open Eupedia thread devoted to the subject.
 
The E3b M-81 in Europe meet the ideal racial Canek adores. However, an E3b M-81 in Latin America would soon have the look american latin.
 
lol, what?

in latin america we are very mixed... with it's great because mixed races makes the human being developed to a better race... we are stronger and more healthy thanks to how we are so much mixed.
 
That map is not Correct about Greece cyprus and minor asia

check the numerals in peloponese,
the diversity is bigger in peloponese and the % equal,
historically there are many connections with messenians to be E-V13

in fact the cut Albanian tribes like arberesh have very low E-V13

E-V13 is connected with copper times and migration from cyprus,

Cyprus has also high E-13





According Cruciani et al, 2007 a possible time of arrival E carriers to the Balkans is between 4000 and 4700 year ago. It is 2000 to 2700 years BC.

Trombetta et al after rigorous scientific testing brought up a theory that E carriers in the Balkans arrived by sea




http://dirkschweitzer.net/E3b-papers/MolecularBiologyandEvolution-07-24-6-1300.pdf
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/6/1300.full.pdf+html

2007

Oxford University Press

“By analyzing a worldwide sample of 6,501 male subjects, wehave identified 517 chromosomes belonging to haplogroup E-M78, more than twice the number found in a previous study (Cruciani et al. 2004). These chromosomes have been further analyzed for the biallelic markers M148 (Underhill et al. 2000), M224 (Underhill et al. 2001), V12, V13, V19, V22, V27, V32 (Cruciani et al. 2006), V36, and V65 (present study).... Four subhaplogroups were either rare(1 and 2 subjects for E-V27 and E-V19, respectively) or absent(E-M148andE-M224)in the global sample, whereas theother haplogroups/paragroups were relatively common (table1 and fig. 2).

You can see that subhaplogroups of E-M78 are (excluding those that are very rare):

E-V12
E-V32
E-V13
E-78*
E-V65 and
E-V22.



“In conclusion, the peripheral geographic distribution of the most derived subhaplogroups with respect to northeastern Africa, as well as the results of quantitative analysis of UEP and microsatellite diversity are strongly suggestive of a northeastern rather than an eastern African origin of E-M78. Northeastern Africa thus seems to be the place from where E-M78 chromosomes started to disperse to other African regions and outside Africa.”


Another strange but interesting is that,

http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/02/eurasian-origins-of-the-berbers/



Also

E1b1b1a (E-V68)

Main article: E1b1b1a
E1b1b1a (E-V68), is dominated by its longer-known sub-clade E-M78 (E1b1b1a1). Three "E-V68*" individuals who are in E-V68 but not E-M78 have been reported in Sardinia, by Trombetta et al. (2011), when announcing its discovery. The authors noted that because E-V68* was not found in the Middle Eastern samples, this appears to be evidence of maritime migration from Africa to southwestern Europe.
E1b1b1a1 (E-M78) is a commonly occurring sub-clade, widely distributed in North Africa, the Horn of Africa, West Asia, (the Middle East and Near East) "up to Southern Asia",[1] and all of Europe.[22] The European distribution has a frequency peak centered in parts of the Balkans (up to almost 50% in some areas)[3][23]) and Italy, and declining frequencies evident toward western, central, and northeastern Europe.
Based on genetic STR variance data, Cruciani et al. (2007) suggests that E1b1b1a1 originated in "Northeastern Africa", which in their study refers specifically to Egypt and Libya.[Note 4] about 18,600 years ago (17,300 - 20,000 years ago).[Note 5] Battaglia et al. (2008) describe Egypt as "a hub for the distribution of the various geographically localized M78-related sub-clades" and, based on archaeological data, they propose that the point of origin of E-M78 (as opposed to later dispersals from Egypt) may have been in a refugium which "existed on the border of present-day Sudan and Egypt, near Lake Nubia, until the onset of a humid phase around 8500 BC. The northward-moving rainfall belts during this period could have also spurred a rapid migration of Mesolithic foragers northwards in Africa, the Levant and ultimately onwards to Asia Minor and Europe, where they each eventually differentiated into their regionally distinctive branches". Towards the south, Hassan et al. (2008) also explain evidence that some subclades of E-M78, specifically E-V12 and E-22, "might have been brought to Sudan from North Africa after the progressive desertification of the Sahara around 6,000-8,000 years ago".
[edit] Sub Clades of E1b1b1a1 (E-M78)

There are four recognized sub-clades, which were mostly defined by Cruciani et al. (2006).

  • E1b1b1a1a (E-V12). Found in Egypt, Sudan, and other places. Has an important sub-clade E1b1b1a1a2 (E-V32) which is very common amongst Ethiopian Oromo, Borana Oromo from Kenya and Somalis.
  • E1b1b1a1b (E-V13). This is the most common type of E1b1b found in Europe and is especially common in the Balkans.
  • E1b1b1a1c (E-V22). Found in Egypt, the Middle East and other places.
  • E1b1b1a1d (E-V65). Associated with the Maghreb, but also found in Italy and Spain.
  • E1b1b1a1e (E-M521). Found in two individuals in Greece by Battaglia et al. (2008)
E1b1bRoute.png



the E-V13 is cypriotic-Levantine,


the map you show is incorrect, in peloponese exist also a 44% E-V13 and in cyprus total 27% while in some local reach >50%

you can read dienekes about E-V13 in the balkans,


http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2008/07/expansion-of-e-v13-explained.html

and cut albanian tribes.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/07/y-chromosomes-of-arbereshe-from.html

The map is very generic as it is made of concentric circles, but it gives a pretty good vision.

Good answer yours. Unlike my fellow countrymen you do provide scientific documentation.

For my compatrioats: at last I have get my original name.
 
BTW folks elevated levels of E3b (M-81) is found in parts of N. Wales, in percentages exceeding those recorded among the Pasiegos of Asturias. There is an open Eupedia thread devoted to the subject.

I don't believe you.
 
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Subclade E-V65 is much less frequent in Europe, but even so it has been detected at levels of about 3% in Cantabria according to study of Capelli (2009). Again, its highest frequency is in North AFrica, but not in Berbers as E-M81, but among moroccan arabs.


E1b1b1a1d (E-V65)
This sub-clade, equivalent to the previously classified "beta cluster", is found in high levels in the Maghreb regions of far northern Africa. Cruciani et al. (2007) report levels of about 20% amongst Libyan Arab lineages, and about 30% amongst Morrocan Arabs. It appears to be less common amongst Berbers, but still present in levels of >10%. The authors suggest a North African origin for this lineage. In Europe, only a few individuals were found in Italy and Greece.

Capelli et al. (2009) studied the beta cluster in Europe. They found small amounts in Southern Italy, but also traces in Cantabria, Portugal and Galicia, with Cantabria having the highest level in Europe in their study, at 3.1% (5 out of 161 people).
 
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Tío creo que el espectáculo que estás dando aquí es bochornoso y no se ve en foreros de ningún otro país, es posible que seas una secuela de la confusión de años atrás, de nazionalismos regionalistas y de cuando en España se puso de moda rechazar los esteriotipos culturales que había impuesto el franquismo que ya sabemos que fueron los andaluces porque eran los más exportables y porque sucedió así, y de todas formas incluso esa moda ya ha pasado y el ataque que estás haciendo a Andalucía es de no tener vergüenza, estás intentando darnos una identidad que no nos corresponde y eso para mí es fascismo, aquí por suerte hay gente preparada que sólo te va a ver como un loco, otros simplemente nos avergonzamos de que si eres español verdaderamente te comportes así con otra región de tu propio país y más cuando sabes que de Galicia también se puede criticar y poner muchas fotos de gallegos muy tostados y muchas cosas feas y negativas, y sin embargo aquí nadie lo ha hecho, por educación, así que puedes seguir, no vas a engañara a nadie, ahora te digo una cosa, que si te pillaba te hacía trizas.

Reporto esto a los moderadores, a ver si es posible la correspondiente denuncia policial.
 
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It's a metaphor, means that if you could talk to you face to face without having to use the translator could refute your lies better. do not try to manipulate, anyway take days leading to the Spanish called Gypsies and Maghreb, which is not true, did you expect kisses? You deserve the punishment for causing surreptitiously, with malice aforethought.

Want to remove the few remaining Spanish forum? you find yourself trapped in your lies, curses, insults to the Spanish and still feel offended?, you're pathetic!
 
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It's a metaphor, means that if you could talk to you face to face without having to use the translator could refute your lies better. do not try to manipulate, anyway take days leading to the Spanish called Gypsies and Maghreb, which is not true, did you expect kisses? You deserve the punishment for causing surreptitiously, with malice aforethought.

Want to remove the few remaining Spanish forum? you find yourself trapped in your lies, curses, insults to the Spanish and still feel offended?, you're pathetic!


Pay no attention to him. He's a deranged self-hating Third-World sociopath who knows nothing about genetics. He's here for no other reason but to spread lies and nonsense about Spaniards.
 
I'm quite interested in the Haplogroup E, because it is quite exotic in the whole of Europe. In this forum I will collect the news published about the E Haplogroup and its subclades.

Then I'm going to put three charts about frequency and distribution. As you all know, the percentages vary slightly depending on the sample.

I am glad you like to keep harping on about this haplogroup, trying to use it as a double-edged weapon to try to "Africanize" Spain as much as possible while "Europeanizing" northern Italy at the same time, but even your own "source" clearly says that E1b1b1a is of African origin, not Middle Eastern, as you want to portray it:


E1b1b1a1 (E-M78) is a commonly occurring sub-clade, widely distributed in North Africa , the Horn of Africa , West Asia , (the Middle East and Near East) "up to Southern Asia",[1] and all of Europe .[22] The European distribution has a frequency peak centered in parts of the Balkans (up to almost 50% in some areas)[3][23] ) and Italy, and declining frequencies evident toward western, central, and northeastern Europe.
Based on genetic STR variance data, Cruciani et al. (2007) suggests that E1b1b1a1 originated in "Northeastern Africa", which in their study refers specifically to Egypt and Libya .[Note 4] about 18,600 years ago (17,300 - 20,000 years ago).[Note 5] Battaglia et al. (2008 ) describe Egypt as "a hub for the distribution of the various geographically localized M78-related sub-clades" and, based on archaeological data, they propose that the point of origin of E-M78 (as opposed to later dispersals from Egypt) may have been in a refugium which "existed on the border of present-day Sudan and Egypt, near Lake Nubia , until the onset of a humid phase around 8500 BC. The northward-moving rainfall belts during this period could have also spurred a rapid migration of Mesolithic foragers northwards in Africa, the Levant and ultimately onwards to Asia Minor and Europe, where they each eventually differentiated into their regionally distinctive branches". Towards the south, Hassan et al. (2008 ) also explain evidence that some subclades of E-M78, specifically E-V12 and E-22, "might have been brought to Sudan from North Africa after the progressive desertification of the Sahara around 6,000-8,000 years ago".
 
Subclade E-V65 is much less frequent in Europe, but even so it has been detected at levels of about 3% in Cantabria according to study of Capelli (2009). Again, its highest frequency is in North AFrica, but not in Berbers as E-M81, but among moroccan arabs.

E1b1b1a1d (E-V65)
This sub-clade, equivalent to the previously classified "beta cluster", is found in high levels in the Maghreb regions of far northern Africa. Cruciani et al. (2007) report levels of about 20% amongst Libyan Arab lineages, and about 30% amongst Morrocan Arabs. It appears to be less common amongst Berbers, but still present in levels of >10%. The authors suggest a North African origin for this lineage. In Europe, only a few individuals were found in Italy and Greece.

Capelli et al. (2009) studied the beta cluster in Europe. They found small amounts in Southern Italy, but also traces in Cantabria, Portugal and Galicia, with Cantabria having the highest level in Europe in their study, at 3.1% (5 out of 161 people).


Haplogroup E1a also has been found in samples obtained from Moroccan Berbers , Sahrawis , Burkina Faso (including E1a-M33/M132(xE1a1-M44) in 2/20 = 10% Fulbe and 2/37 = 5.4% Rimaibe [1] ), northern Cameroon (including E1a1-M44 in 9/17 = 53% Fulbe and E1a-M33/M132(xE1a1-M44) in 3/15 = 20% Tali[1] ), Senegal (7/139 = 5.0%[6] ), Ghana (1/29 = 3% Ga , 1/32 = 3% Fante [2] ), Sudan (including 5/32 = 15.6% Hausa and 3/26 = 11.5% Fulani [4] ), Egypt ,[2] [7] Calabria (including both Italian and Albanian inhabitants of the region), Italians from Trentino in northeastern Italy,[8] and Romanians from Constanţa .[9]
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In (B-5) tho not testing for M33 subgrps, M33 found in 3% of men of n.e. Italy, but none found in most east European counties or among Georgians, Ukrainians, or Balkarians of n.w. Caucasus Mtns. In (A-6) tho not testing for M33 subgrps, small % M33 found n. Portugal but not rest of Iberia. Likewise small % M33 found in Morocco, Algeria & Tunisia, with a little more among Saharawi of western Sahara.
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Stop worrying so much about Spain and start worrying about northern Italy.


 
Haplogroup E1a also has been found in samples obtained from Moroccan Berbers , Sahrawis , Burkina Faso (including E1a-M33/M132(xE1a1-M44) in 2/20 = 10% Fulbe and 2/37 = 5.4% Rimaibe [1] ), northern Cameroon (including E1a1-M44 in 9/17 = 53% Fulbe and E1a-M33/M132(xE1a1-M44) in 3/15 = 20% Tali[1] ), Senegal (7/139 = 5.0%[6] ), Ghana (1/29 = 3% Ga , 1/32 = 3% Fante [2] ), Sudan (including 5/32 = 15.6% Hausa and 3/26 = 11.5% Fulani [4] ), Egypt ,[2] [7] Calabria (including both Italian and Albanian inhabitants of the region), Italians from Trentino in northeastern Italy,[8] and Romanians from Constanţa .[9]
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In (B-5) tho not testing for M33 subgrps, M33 found in 3% of men of n.e. Italy, but none found in most east European counties or among Georgians, Ukrainians, or Balkarians of n.w. Caucasus Mtns. In (A-6) tho not testing for M33 subgrps, small % M33 found n. Portugal but not rest of Iberia. Likewise small % M33 found in Morocco, Algeria & Tunisia, with a little more among Saharawi of western Sahara.
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Stop worrying so much about Spain and start worrying about northern Italy.



Latest I have of north italy ( only of veneto and friuli and NOT trentino ) , percentages rounded, is

R1b1b2 = 44
T = 22
I2a2a = 12
G2a3b1b1 = 10
R1a = 7
J2 = 2
E1b1b1a ( E-v13) = 2
N1c1 = 1


trentino was mostly tyrolese in the Middle ages, raetian in the ancient times and Italian recently
 
In this link you can obtein a good approach to the percentages of ethnic groups. But not specify different subclades of E1b1b, particularly E-M78 (main subclade in Italy and Balkans) and E-M81 (main subclade in Iberian Peninsula).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_haplogroups_by_ethnic_groups

In that link, Pasiegos (Cantabria, Northern Spain) get an awesome 42.9% of Haplogroup E (56 samples), only after Peloponesian Greeks (47% and 36 samples). After that, Albanians, Macedonians and Sicilians.
 
Sad to see as some Spaniards are trying to europeanize the originally Black African haplogroup E-M81. Some Spanish nationalists like Carlitos and Knovas can not accept this fact. Carlitos is a known E1b1b1 carrier and Knovas looks like is someway linked.

According to Cruciani et al. 2004:
"It has been suggested (Bosch et al. 2001) that recent gene flow may have brought E3b chromosomes from northwestern Africa into Iberia, as a consequence of the Islamic occupation of the peninsula, and that such gene flow left only a minor contribution to the current Iberian Y-chromosome pool. The relatively young TMRCA of 5.6 ky (95% CI 4.6–6.3 ky) that we estimated for haplogroup E-M81 and the lack of differentiation between European and African haplotypes in the network of E-M81 (fig. 2C) support the hypothesis of recent gene flow between northwestern Africa and Iberia."

Ambrosio et al. 2010:
"Our analysis of the Y-chromosome haplogroup E in the native population of Huelva revealed a complex admixture of genetic markers from the Mediterranean space, with interesting signatures of populations from the Middle East and the Balkan Peninsula and a surprisingly low influence by Berber populations compared to other areas of the Iberian Peninsula. These particular traits can, plausibly, be explained by protohistoric and other documented historical movements against the backdrop of the Tartessian civilization, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, and the different migrations associated with the expansion and decline of Islam during the Middle Ages. We believe that an explanation based on prehistoric movements is less plausible."


The African subclade E-M81, found in Berbers but also in Nigeriens and Spaniards, as a brother branch of other subclades found in Kenya or the Horn of Africa is carried by originally Black African people that inhabit natural borders between Africa and Eurasia that has been strongly eurasianized thanks to the absorption of autosomal genes mainly from Eurasian females. So, stop trying to paint all haplogroups of white and take a look into any aprox. 100% E1b1b1 East African tribe with low Eurasian or Khoisan mtdna frequency.

Obiously, the African physical traits found in Europe has been brought and spread by E1b1b1 carriers at some point.
 
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