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    This map would be based on 6000 samples.
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    In Portugal, according to Beleza (2006), best genetic study Grey Moss says, 12% of natives are haplogroup E.
    in certain regions and cities the figure is much higher. Example, the city of Beja in the south has 37.5% of haplogroup E (8 samples). Portalegre 25% (28 samples). Both of them are in the region called Alentejo, border with Andalucía.
    Even Lisboa gets 17.2% (35 samples).

    The complete link (page 6)
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...05.00221.x/pdf

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    So, ¿what are you trying to say with this? ¿perhaps that Iberians are a lot African? ¿why do you repeat this all time?

    Realise that for much you repeat and repeat, Iberians will NEVER be closer to North Africans. You are about to become a parrot, and you are proving nothing but your drollery.

    Assume the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    In Portugal, according to Beleza (2006), best genetic study Grey Moss says, 12% of natives are haplogroup E.
    in certain regions and cities the figure is much higher. Example, the city of Beja in the south has 37.5% of haplogroup E (8 samples). Portalegre 25% (28 samples). Both of them are in the region called Alentejo, border with Andalucía.
    Even Lisboa gets 17.2% (35 samples).

    The complete link (page 6)
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...05.00221.x/pdf
    The overall, according Beleza genetic research of 2006, in Lisbon (region), the most populated in Portugal, gets 14.5% of haplogroup E, Alentejo (region) gets 19.9% of haplogroup E. Very near rate in Western Andalucia, 18%, according the other link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)

    1. <LI id=cite_note-34>^ Flores et al. (2005) <LI id=cite_note-35>^ Beleza et al. (2006) <LI id=cite_note-Harvcoltxt.7CCapelli_et_al..7C2009-36>^ a b Capelli et al. (2009)
    2. ^ a b Maca-Meyer N., Sánchez-Velasco P., Flores C. et al., Larruga JM, González AM, Oterino A, Leyva-Cobián F (2003), "Y Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Characterization of Pasiegos, a Human Isolate from Cantabria (Spain)", Annals of Human Genetics 67 (Pt 4): 329–339, doi:10.1046/j.1469-1809.2003.00045.x, PMID 12914567.

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    They are scientific data and I'm not the scientist in charge of the study.
    They hate me because I divulge these data. If they could, these data would be kept secret. The Inquisition has returned to Spain.

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    You changed most of this data, Drac discovered you, so stop with the childish behaviour. Haplogroup E in Iberia is not a secret, and nobody cares about this like you do. Sorry man, singing the same song everyday wouldn't make Spaniards as African as you like. It just makes you a total jackass.

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    In a few decades it will be possible to know with certainty the origin of the Iberians, be which is it does not change the fact that Spain is an European country, nobody questions any other country of europa, it is not necessary to do too much I marry those who on antiquated information try of surreptitious form to meet an equivocal and provocative message.

    Enough it is they who have in spite of having the look that they have and chasing fruitlessly the ideal racial one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    You changed most of this data, Drac discovered you, so stop with the childish behaviour. Haplogroup E in Iberia is not a secret, and nobody cares about this like you do. Sorry man, singing the same song everyday wouldn't make Spaniards as African as you like. It just makes you a total jackass.
    Iberians should stop feeding the t-r-o-l-l

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    ^^

    It is easy to say it when it is not the country of one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    I want to know about E3b1 if its solely exclusive to the adriatic area.

    See here distribution and frequency of the different subclades

    http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/2


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    Remain in silence in front of this barbarities is not the solution. Solution is definetly ban the t.r.o.l.l., but it seems this is not posible...

    Well then, I'll not give him the pleasure to fool without consequences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    In Portugal, according to Beleza (2006), best genetic study Grey Moss says, 12% of natives are haplogroup E.
    in certain regions and cities the figure is much higher. Example, the city of Beja in the south has 37.5% of haplogroup E (8 samples). Portalegre 25% (28 samples). Both of them are in the region called Alentejo, border with Andalucía.
    Even Lisboa gets 17.2% (35 samples).

    The complete link (page 6)
    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...05.00221.x/pdf
    I guess you ignored my previous post about I (Y-DNA) in Portugal. You keep harping on levels of E in Iberia but ignore regions with high levels of I, which is much more common in Northern European populations. The Braga region alone is almost 18% I.

    In any case, haplogroup frequencies do not govern phenotype. Game over, charlatan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    See here distribution and frequency of the different subclades

    http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/2

    He's like a brainless parrot. He just keep posting the same material over and over and over again. A sign of mental illness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    See here distribution and frequency of the different subclades

    http://www.genebase.com/learning/article/2

    Hey little man, don't you know that there is N African mt-DNA in the Sami of Scandinavia. The Berber mt-DNA subclade U-5 has been found regularly in the Sami of Finland and Norway Look up the research.

    Remember, most geneticists believe that Berber haplogroups in Iberia and the rest of Western Europe are ancient (Meslothic / Neolithic periods). Pack it in guy, you are looking worse and worse by the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    The overall, according Beleza genetic research of 2006, in Lisbon (region), the most populated in Portugal, gets 14.5% of haplogroup E, Alentejo (region) gets 19.9% of haplogroup E. Very near rate in Western Andalucia, 18%, according the other link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA)

    1. <LI id=cite_note-34>^ Flores et al. (2005) <LI id=cite_note-35>^ Beleza et al. (2006) <LI id=cite_note-Harvcoltxt.7CCapelli_et_al..7C2009-36>^ a b Capelli et al. (2009)
    2. ^ a b Maca-Meyer N., Sánchez-Velasco P., Flores C. et al., Larruga JM, González AM, Oterino A, Leyva-Cobián F (2003), "Y Chromosome and Mitochondrial DNA Characterization of Pasiegos, a Human Isolate from Cantabria (Spain)", Annals of Human Genetics 67 (Pt 4): 329–339, doi:10.1046/j.1469-1809.2003.00045.x, PMID 12914567.

    New Pinocchio, we've been over this lie before. You got caught red-handed altering a WikiPedia article. The only reason it says "18%" is because YOU put it there with your "Galician77" Vandal account, no one else. None of the studies you keep stupidly referring to say any such thing. Even for just this single act of malicious dishonesty, you should be banned (but I am sure the moderators will keep on tolerating your very obvious t-r-o-l-l-i-n-g for reasons only known to them.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlitos View Post
    ^^

    It is easy to say it when it is not the country of one.
    But my country has more E1b1b than yours, Ferreiro would classify Greeks as Africans.....who cares?

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    But my country has more E1b1b than yours, Ferreiro would classify Greeks as Africans.....who cares?
    It is a historical question, culture and religious, more than of A, B, C, D, E, F, G, y others.
    Greece Africa?, nobody in Spain thinks that, it can already have everything E that it has.
    I met a geneticist of a Catalan university and asked him wherefrom the Iberians were coming and he said to me than of Africa, of the Atlas at least.
    Does he believe that to R of Africa they say to them that they are European?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlitos View Post
    It is a historical question, culture and religious, more than of A, B, C, D, E, F, G, y others.
    Greece Africa?, nobody in Spain thinks that, it can already have everything E that it has.
    I met a geneticist of a Catalan university and asked him wherefrom the Iberians were coming and he said to me than of Africa, of the Atlas at least.
    Does he believe that to R of Africa they say to them that they are European?
    I don't know if anyone in Spain thinks like that but Ferreiro clearly does so...and I as a Greek don't give a damn about it.

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    All humans are descended from Africans. I'm surprised there are people participating in a science forum and still they have not understood it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    I don't know if anyone in Spain thinks like that but Ferreiro clearly does so...and I as a Greek don't give a damn about it.

    I am not sure completely that it is Spanish, it might be, but also it is possible that he is a South American immigrant.
    It is an exception, the people of Spain are not like that. Good are the nordicistas, many groups Nazi, who are in any part of the world, but they are minorities that learn something that they have heard they decide to believe in that and live embittered through all his life.

    In the fund I am sure that he prefers the boys of the Mediterranean countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drac View Post
    New Pinocchio, we've been over this lie before. You got caught red-handed altering a WikiPedia article. The only reason it says "18%" is because YOU put it there with your "Galician77" Vandal account, no one else. None of the studies you keep stupidly referring to say any such thing. Even for just this single act of malicious dishonesty, you should be banned (but I am sure the moderators will keep on tolerating your very obvious t-r-o-l-l-i-n-g for reasons only known to them.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlitos View Post
    I am not sure completely that it is Spanish, it might be, but also it is possible that he is a South American immigrant.
    It is an exception, the people of Spain are not like that. Good are the nordicistas, many groups Nazi, who are in any part of the world, but they are minorities that learn something that they have heard they decide to believe in that and live embittered through all his life.

    In the fund I am sure that he prefers the boys of the Mediterranean countries.
    I don't take it as an insult because I do not think that being gay is something to be ashamed of. But how pathetic is that someone who is gay intended to insult to another people by "calling" him gay. How low you're falling, Carlitos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archaiocapilos View Post
    But my country has more E1b1b than yours, Ferreiro would classify Greeks as Africans.....who cares?
    He's not a real Spaniard. He's trying to project Spaniards as something they are not. A great distorter of facts.
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    so according to some the E Y-DNA in Bellarus I dont know how old is, probably is from?
    since some belive that all E in SPain came with Arab invasion,
    the E in Bellarus where did it came from?
    hmmmmm
    let me see, yes I found it it is modern from ww2 the committee allowed Africans to migrate there and live?
    correct?

    it is another story where survived a Haplogroup during Ice ages, or where it grow, and another classify people according origin of 1rst form of Haplogroup,

    Yes E Ydna has its origin in Africa, but that does not mean after 4000 that it is still african and the carriers are just copy paste,

    after 4000 how many mutations happened to DNA, and not only Y-DNA,
    130- 180 generations of how many kids each, and how much mixed? wow are we nuts?
    in modern world, and some families after 400 years claim Nativity,

    if someone do accept them ok, but after a number of generations and poor mix (not wide spread) at least they earn the right of Iberians if not spagnards,

    on the other hand what makes a R1 more European than J or E or some N in Finnic
    offcourse a new comer today in Europe is not European even if IDentity card say so,
    but an older one before 1000 or 2000 or 4-5000 years why is not?

    we wanted or Not there enough European E Y-dna from prehistoric times that helped in building of Europe,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    I have not laughed so hard since I was in high school.
    You find being publicly exposed and humiliated as a dishonest Wiki Vandal with a transparent agenda "funny"? Now that's funny! Had you any shame whatsoever you would have quit the forum on your own by now.

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