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    The most part of haplogroup E is in Europe since thousands of years, Iberia included. Being repeating all day the presence of E in a country, does not change the fact that this population shows a typical European admixture. We know perfectly where haplogroup E can be found and what clades, and there is nothing terrible to discover. The only evidence is the obvious manipulation using haplogroups, wich prove absolutly nothing.

    Be reasonable.

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    Originally Posted by Carlitos
    I am not sure completely that it is Spanish, it might be, but also it is possible that he is a South American immigrant.
    It is an exception, the people of Spain are not like that. Good are the nordicistas, many groups Nazi, who are in any part of the world, but they are minorities that learn something that they have heard they decide to believe in that and live embittered through all his life.

    In the fund I am sure that he prefers the boys of the Mediterranean countries.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    I don't take it as an insult because I do not think that being gay is something to be ashamed of. But how pathetic is that someone who is gay intended to insult to another people by "calling" him gay. How low you're falling, Carlitos.
    Where is the insult? do not I see it on any part.

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    Let's make a summary so far. I focus now on the Iberian peninsula, which is what interests me most. However if someone wants to contribute with data from their respective countries, are welcome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA) (specifically E-M81)

    Valle del Pas (Cantabria) 18-41%
    Western Andalucia 18%
    NW of Leon 18%
    Cantabria 9-17%
    Galicia 9%
    Extremadura 8%
    South of Portugal 8%


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h..._ethnic_groups (haplogroup E)

    Spain (overall) 10%
    Ibiza 7.4%
    Majorca 6.2%
    Minorca 18.9%
    Spanish South 9%
    Valencia 11%
    Portuguese South 17%
    Portuguese North 11%
    Catalonia 6.1%
    Valle del Pas (Cantabria) 42.9%
    Basque 2.2%


    Eupedia (haplogroup E)
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

    Spain (overall) 7%
    Andalucia 10%
    Basques 1%
    Cantabria 11%
    Galicia 22%


    If anyone knows more details, please share them with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    Let's make a summary so far. I focus now on the Iberian peninsula, which is what interests me most.
    It's good you recognize your obsession. First step before therapy, congratulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    Let's make a summary so far. I focus now on the Iberian peninsula, which is what interests me most. However if someone wants to contribute with data from their respective countries, are welcome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA) (specifically E-M81)

    Valle del Pas (Cantabria) 18-41%
    Western Andalucia 18%
    NW of Leon 18%
    Cantabria 9-17%
    Galicia 9%
    Extremadura 8%
    South of Portugal 8%


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_h..._ethnic_groups (haplogroup E)

    Spain (overall) 10%
    Ibiza 7.4%
    Majorca 6.2%
    Minorca 18.9%
    Spanish South 9%
    Valencia 11%
    Portuguese South 17%
    Portuguese North 11%
    Catalonia 6.1%
    Valle del Pas (Cantabria) 42.9%
    Basque 2.2%


    Eupedia (haplogroup E)
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

    Spain (overall) 7%
    Andalucia 10%
    Basques 1%
    Cantabria 11%
    Galicia 22%


    If anyone knows more details, please share them with us.
    ...and the AUTOSOMAL results (the only thing that's important concerning phenotype) are?

    Man, you are in serous, serious shape. Don't you have something better to do than spews lies and framed information?

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    Let's not get fooled by this clown. Spain has received one of the least neolithic influence in all of Europe, it has low levels of haplogroup E, and for a southern country is extremely low (just look at Italy or Greece). Now, the specific north-african subclade E-M81 has been found also in France at a 3% frequency (Cruciani et al. 2004) whereas Andalusia shows 1.6%, you have Auvergne with 5%. Also the North-African mtDNA U6 has been found in Finisère, Brittany (France) at 4.5% (Dubut et al. 2004)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    Let's not get fooled by this clown. Spain has received one of the least neolithic influence in all of Europe, it has low levels of haplogroup E, and for a southern country is extremely low (just look at Italy or Greece). Now, the specific north-african subclade E-M81 has been found also in France at a 3% frequency (Cruciani et al. 2004) whereas Andalusia shows 1.6%, you have Auvergne with 5%. Also the North-African mtDNA U6 has been found in Finis�re, Brittany (France) at 4.5% (Dubut et al. 2004)
    Also, N. African mtDNA (U-5) has been found in the Sami of Norway and Finland. The faux Gellego charlatan still does not understand (or refuses to understand) that only autosomal DNA determines phenotype. Quite, quite sad.

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    You mean plain U5 or U6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    You mean plain U5 or U6?
    The North African mt-DNA subclade found in Sami populations is U-5, according to the research. See Achilli et al. (2005).

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    Aha ok, it's possible since it's an ancient one. I asked because the most common related clade is U6.

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    In the very recent study of Garcia et al. 2011, for France :

    mtDNA U6

    U6a1/a2/a3 Perigord-Limousin (Limousin) 1.4 %
    Finistère (Brittany) 0.7 %
    U6a France Miscellanea 0.6 %

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    Let's make a summary so far...

    Western Andalucia 18%
    Let's show again how that false "18%" got into that Wiki article:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=436450507

    Before Pinocchio's vandalism:

    Its frequencies are higher in the western half of the peninsula with frequencies reaching 8% in [[Extremadura]] and South Portugal, 9% in [[Galicia (Spain)|Galicia]], 10% in Western [[Andalusia]]

    After Pinocchio's vandalism:

    Its frequencies are higher in the western half of the peninsula with frequencies reaching 8% in [[Extremadura]] and South Portugal, 9% in [[Galicia (Spain)|Galicia]], 18% in Western [[Andalusia]]

    Oh my, it is there not from any of the studies he keeps referring to but because our good ol' friend Pinocchio put it there with his "Galician77" vandal account. I guess you should have looked into WikiPedia's workings a bit better before trying such tricks, clown. All changes to an article are recorded.

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    I focus now on the Iberian peninsula, which is what interests me most. However if someone wants to contribute with data from their respective countries, are welcome.
    You should stop worrying so much about a country that is obviously not yours and focus on your real ancestral land. And Eupedia has "pooled" the pertinent data on it from several genetic studies:

    Italy (as a whole): 11%

    North Italy: 11%

    Central Italy: 10%

    South Italy: 18%

    Sicily: 17.5%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drac View Post


    You should stop worrying so much about a country that is obviously not yours and focus on your real ancestral land. And Eupedia has "pooled" the pertinent data on it from several genetic studies:

    Italy (as a whole): 11%

    North Italy: 11%

    Central Italy: 10%

    South Italy: 18%

    Sicily: 17.5%

    what figures are these from

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    what figures are these from
    E1b1b frequencies, from this table:

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drac View Post
    E1b1b frequencies, from this table:

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml
    thank you.

    Is there a huge difference between the catalans and the castilians for E ( or any other marker ?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zanipolo View Post
    thank you.

    Is there a huge difference between the catalans and the castilians for E ( or any other marker ?)
    It seems to be lower in Catalonia than in Castile. Frequencies vary from study to study (one study for example found 0 among Catalonians, yet another one found 6.1%)

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    Probably Catalunya has increased the average due specially to the Andalusian inmigrants in the last 50 years. Without this, the E % would be insignificant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knovas View Post
    Probably Catalunya has increased the average due specially to the Andalusian inmigrants in the last 50 years. Without this, the E % would be insignificant.
    In Catalonia there are emigrants of the whole Spain. I believe that in the genetic studies that do to a region it is born in mind that the native ones to which it goes away to realize the test take in the zone a considerable time. Because if at present the genetic studies bore Spain in mind to the Moroccan immigration the M-81 in Spain it would rise for the clouds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferreiro_ View Post
    Let's make a summary so far. I focus now on the Iberian peninsula, which is what interests me most. However if someone wants to contribute with data from their respective countries, are welcome.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E1b1b_(Y-DNA) (specifically E-M81)

    Valle del Pas (Cantabria) 18-41%
    Western Andalucia 18%
    NW of Leon 18%
    Cantabria 9-17%
    Galicia 9%
    Extremadura 8%
    South of Portugal 8%
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Anyone can write there. Try to find peer reviewed studies. You have Andalusia wrong. In the study of Cruciani et al. 2004 they found 1.6 % of E-M81 in Andalusians

    Eupedia (haplogroup E)
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml

    Spain (overall) 7%
    Andalucia 10%
    Basques 1%
    Cantabria 11%
    Galicia 22%


    If anyone knows more details, please share them with us.
    Yes, I do have more details, these are the countries in Europe with equal or more total haplogroup E than Spain :

    Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Cyprus, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Macedonia, Portugal, Serbia, Switzerland, Ukraine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm View Post
    Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Anyone can write there. Try to find peer reviewed studies. You have Andalusia wrong. In the study of Cruciani et al. 2004 they found 1.6 % of E-M81 in Andalusians

    Yes, I do have more details, these are the countries in Europe with equal or more total haplogroup E than Spain :

    Albania, Austria, Belarus, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Cyprus, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Macedonia, Portugal, Serbia, Switzerland, Ukraine
    why ? MAKEDONIA IS NOT GREECE?

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    I know what you mean Carlitos. We cannot be sure about the samples used by the different sources to show haplogroup E in Catalunya. Note that today, it's quite difficult to find people in Catalunya with four grandparents who can be considered ethnic Catalans. The influence from other parts of the Peninsula and, specially Andalusia (there are reports about this during Franco's goverment saying that it was significant), makes difficult to pick good samples for this.

    For example in my case, I'm ethnic Catalan in 3 sides (going back hundreds of years, not a joke), and my paternal grandfather was from Murcia. Comparing this with the vast majority of people who live in Catalunya today, I have more Catalan ancestry than the rest in average. Just get and idea how the things works, and the difficulty to get adequate Catalan samples, wich I'm sure would show insignificant levels of haplogroup E.

    My mother for example, would be a very good Catalan example since I traced her line and appears 100% Catalan going deep in time. I'm thinking in test her one day too, like I did myself, and see what the results show. Of course I won't get information about her paternal line, my primarly interest is admixture analysis.

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    In this website Catalonia has a total of 3% E, which is extremely low, is the same level as Estonia or Denmark

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    Yes, very low, and without knowing the real Catalan ancestry, wich I'm sure just a few of them would be ethnic Catalans on 4 sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drac View Post
    Let's show again how that false "18%" got into that Wiki article:


    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?...ldid=436450507

    Before Pinocchio's vandalism:

    Its frequencies are higher in the western half of the peninsula with frequencies reaching 8% in [[Extremadura]] and South Portugal, 9% in [[Galicia (Spain)|Galicia]], 10% in Western [[Andalusia]]

    After Pinocchio's vandalism:

    Its frequencies are higher in the western half of the peninsula with frequencies reaching 8% in [[Extremadura]] and South Portugal, 9% in [[Galicia (Spain)|Galicia]], 18% in Western [[Andalusia]]

    Oh my, it is there not from any of the studies he keeps referring to but because our good ol' friend Pinocchio put it there with his "Galician77" vandal account. I guess you should have looked into WikiPedia's workings a bit better before trying such tricks, clown. All changes to an article are recorded.

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    You should stop worrying so much about a country that is obviously not yours and focus on your real ancestral land. And Eupedia has "pooled" the pertinent data on it from several genetic studies:

    Italy (as a whole): 11%

    North Italy: 11%

    Central Italy: 10%

    South Italy: 18%

    Sicily: 17.5%

    Obviously, Pinocchio II is a pathological liar. A malicious fraudster.

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    He will enjoy with all these reports. I can imagine the scene...

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